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Title: Bachmann Stands By Claims That Founding Fathers Ended Slavery
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Published: Jun 28, 2011
Author: Kase Wickman
Post Date: 2011-06-28 11:29:07 by Brian S
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Views: 59580
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Rep. Michele Bachmann, who officially announced yesterday in Iowa that she is running for president, appeared on “Good Morning America” Monday, where George Stephanopoulos attempted to clarify some of her previous statements. Among them: Bachmann’s claim that “the Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence worked tirelessly to end slavery.” “Now with respect, Congresswoman, that’s just not true,” Stephanopoulos said. “Many of them including Jefferson and Washington were actually slave holders and slavery didn’t end until the Civil War.” Bachmann dodged the question, answering, “Well, you know what’s marvelous is that in this country and under our Constitution, we have the ability when we recognize that something is wrong to change it. And that’s what we did in our country. We changed it. We no longer have slavery. That’s a good thing. And what our Constitution has done for our nation, is to give us the basis of freedom unparalleled in the rest of the world.” She goes on to claim that John Quincy Adams, who was a small boy during the Revolutionary War and did indeed eventually work to abolish slavery, should be counted as a “Founding Father.” Watch the visibly distraught Stephanopoulos’ interview with the tea party candidate, in which she discusses the minimum wage, Sarah Palin and her foster children. Originally aired June 28, 2011. Embedded courtesy ABC. 
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
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The "Founding Fathers" were member of the 1st Continental Congress that began to define this nation as separate from England and the 2nd Continental Congress that actually declared independence. The Framers took over from them in 1786. Many of the Founders had zipola to do with the Framing...some because they were dead...but some, Patrick Henry, did so deliberately... We've gone from knowing AMerican history to politicians being defended by their supporters for promoting the most insane bastardizations of this nation's history I have ever heard...e.g. Palin stating that one reason for Revere's ride was to warn the English.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Eliminating minimum wage may get more people on the payroll - but they would earn so little (I am assuming they would be paid below the minimum wage since that is what was preventing them from being hired) - that they would be working poor who would still need govt assistance like food stamps. Minimum wage should have been raised years ago and has been held back to levels that ensure those paid under that amount will not be able to live with that income.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
She is a woman of astonishing ability.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Actually, most of them did just this. Read the Federalist papers.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Godwincing, All you demonstrate here is that you've never run a company. Not surprising to me in the least, btw.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
You don't run a company either, Boof. You're an accountant.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
So you advocate slave wage labor? When the workers rise up we will make sure we hang your class first.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Apparently you've never had to support yourself.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
All you demonstrate here is that you've never run a company. So you advocate slave wage labor? When the workers rise up we will make sure we hang your class first. Godwincing, You really don't need to demonstrate the point about you've never run a company, as you do here. When the 'workers rise up'? I suggest you on the left worry more about the here and now, when the UNEMPLOYED RISE UP and vote to fire Owe-bama and company. And whats this 'we' shit? Let alone 'your class' nonsense? I'm a small business owner, dumbass. I pay way above 'minimum wage', at least double, because my company is only as good as the people we hire. Again, if you had ever run a company you would know this. but, obviously, you don't. So you have to rely on insane leftwingnut talking points, and look ridiculous as a direct result. Kinda like Owe-bama, or to be fair, McCain.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
All you demonstrate here is that you've never run a company. Apparently you've never had to support yourself. And you wonder, and whine, about my referring to you as 'goofy' huh?
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Wha...chuckle...huh? A) The Federalist was written by three people...John Jay, Alexander Hamilton and James Madison and expresses only the personal opinions of each as an individual. B) There is no first person opposition to the institution of slavery expressed in any of The Federalist. The only alusion to this is stated in general terms regarding the 3/5's compromise...Hamilton #54: "Might not some surprise also be expressed that those who reproach the Southern States with the barbarous policy of considering as property a part of their human brethren should themselves contend that the government to which all the States are to be parties ought to consider this unfortunate race more completely in the unnatural light of property than the very laws of which they complain?" #38 mentions the slave trade but makes no moral judgement as to the institution whatsoever.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
And replace him with what Boof? Reps and Senators and a POTUS who believe that the reason that people are unemployed is because their own fault? Reps and Sens and a POTUS who will cut their benefits? Their access to heath care? Demand that they contribute more to pensions and health care while vetoing a modest tax increase on millionaires? Do you really believe that the electorate, when all is said and done, is going to elect people who have been blaming them for their own problems and, as a reward for so voting, will gut any safety net that they may have?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
I rather think the unemployed will eventually rise up with arms under the 2nd ammend, and kill their oppressors.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
"It were doubtless to be wished, that the power of prohibiting the importation of slaves had not been postponed until the year 1808, or rather that it had been suffered to have immediate operation. But it is not difficult to account, either for this restriction on the general government, or for the manner in which the whole clause is expressed. It ought to be considered as a great point gained in favor of humanity, that a period of twenty years may terminate forever, within these States, a traffic which has so long and so loudly upbraided the barbarism of modern policy; that within that period, it will receive a considerable discouragement from the federal government, and may be totally abolished, by a concurrence of the few States which continue the unnatural traffic, in the prohibitory example which has been given by so great a majority of the Union. Happy would it be for the unfortunate Africans, if an equal prospect lay before them of being redeemed from the oppressions of their European brethren!" -- James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 42
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
And accountants are essentially agents of the Federal Government/IRS. George Bush The Younger made sure of it.
-- James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 42 That's about the importation of slaves not ownership.
One of my tavern acquaintances told me yesterday that July 1 will be his last day and he's retiring. He's 62 but he's very concerned about making his monthly medical insurance payments of ~$660 per month until he reaches age 65. He'll likely find part-time work or work under the table if he can. He appears healthy but he had some sort of stroke 4 years ago.
Addresses the slave trade...not slavery... Thanks for reminding me about #42...btw...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
A) The Federalist was written by three people...John Jay, Alexander Hamilton and James Madison and expresses only the personal opinions of each as an individual. B) There is no first person opposition to the institution of slavery expressed in any of The Federalist. The only alusion to this is stated in general terms regarding the 3/5's compromise...Hamilton #54: "Might not some surprise also be expressed that those who reproach the Southern States with the barbarous policy of considering as property a part of their human brethren should themselves contend that the government to which all the States are to be parties ought to consider this unfortunate race more completely in the unnatural light of property than the very laws of which they complain?" #38 mentions the slave trade but makes no moral judgement as to the institution whatsoever. Good post... Part of the reason the boofer keeps you on 'filter' is so he can claim he doesn't see (and therefore doesn't have to respond to) intelligent rebuttals of his bullshit.
He doesn't have me on filter...he's lying... Surprised?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
I'm astounded but not surprised that the GOP has totally misread the mood of the voter.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Badeye's job is to try to make every poster here more ignorant when they sign off than when they signed on.
That's why it's worth keeping the pathetic little man on bozo.
(eyes rolling)
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
abu dabu doo! Wrong again, cupcake, but it is amusing to see you flounder again.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
ming, how goes recruitment for the hitler youth league?
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Your momma doesn't....
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Wrong again, cupcake, but it is amusing to see you flounder again. Why in the world would you call another poster.... cupcake?
We missed you there. Are you going to make the next meeting?
He's drunk again. His inhibitions are relaxed.
Geezus you're witless...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
It's a continuum...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
These types seem to get all flirty with the posters they perceive as male.
Nope, I prefer the company of rational minds, ming. But you go right on goose stepping.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
I'm not the one with weird insatiable habits, like you ethel. Do you use a stool, or do you just find one of those midget pony's?
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Someone's got to be the outlier...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
I dunno ming, why do you find anyone thats Jewish to be evil?
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
It's' many Israelis', all Jews are not Israelis. Repeat this to yourself until you remember that important FACT.
You're a dickweed. If I was childish like you, I'd accuse you of screwing your rescue dogs, but I won't because I actually respect you for doing what you do in that regard. I love horses and dogs and birds but not in the way that you childishly imply. Grow up dickwad.
These Tea Party types see rape as power.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestBachmann Stands By Claims That ‘Founding Fathers’ Ended Slavery
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#2. To: Brian S (#0)
(Edited)
#3. To: Brian S (#0)
Bachmann dodged the question...
#4. To: Brian S (#0)
Among them: Bachmann’s claim that “the Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence worked tirelessly to end slavery.”
#5. To: Godwinson (#2)
Eliminating minimum wage may get more people on the payroll - but they would earn so little (I am assuming they would be paid below the minimum wage since that is what was preventing them from being hired) - that they would be working poor who would still need govt assistance like food stamps.
#6. To: Badeye (#5)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#7. To: Badeye (#5)
All you demonstrate here is that you've never run a company.
#8. To: Badeye (#5)
All you demonstrate here is that you've never run a company.
#9. To: Godwinson (#7)
#10. To: lucysmom (#8)
#11. To: Badeye (#4)
Actually, most of them did just this. Read the Federalist papers.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#12. To: Badeye (#9)
(Edited)
I suggest you on the left worry more about the here and now, when the UNEMPLOYED RISE UP and vote to fire Owe-bama and company.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#13. To: Badeye (#9)
#14. To: war (#11)
#15. To: war, badeye (#6)
(Edited)
You don't run a company either, Boof. You're an accountant.
#16. To: no gnu taxes (#14)
It were doubtless to be wished, that the power of prohibiting the importation of slaves had not been postponed until the year 1808, or rather that it had been suffered to have immediate operation. But it is not difficult to account, either for this restriction on the general government, or for the manner in which the whole clause is expressed. It ought to be considered as a great point gained in favor of humanity, that a period of twenty years may terminate forever, within these States, a traffic which has so long and so loudly upbraided the barbarism of modern policy; that within that period, it will receive a considerable discouragement from the federal government, and may be totally abolished, by a concurrence of the few States which continue the unnatural traffic, in the prohibitory example which has been given by so great a majority of the Union. Happy would it be for the unfortunate Africans, if an equal prospect lay before them of being redeemed from the oppressions of their European brethren!"
#17. To: war (#12)
#18. To: no gnu taxes (#14)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#19. To: war (#11)
Wha...chuckle...huh?
#20. To: Thunderbird (#19)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#21. To: Fred Mertz (#17)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#22. To: Thunderbird (#19)
Part of the reason the boofer keeps you on 'filter' is so he can claim he doesn't see (and therefore doesn't have to respond to) intelligent rebuttals of his bullshit.
#23. To: mininggold (#22)
Badeye's job is to try to make every poster here more ignorant when they sign off than when they signed on.
#24. To: Godwinson (#13)
I rather think the unemployed will eventually rise up with arms under the 2nd ammend, and kill their oppressors.
#25. To: Thunderbird (#19)
#26. To: mininggold (#22)
#27. To: Skip Intro (#23)
#28. To: Badeye (#25)
abu dabu doo!
#29. To: Badeye (#26)
ming, how goes recruitment for the hitler youth league?
#30. To: mininggold (#28)
#31. To: Badeye (#27)
Your momma doesn't....
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#32. To: Fred Mertz (#30)
He's drunk again.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#33. To: Fred Mertz (#30)
He's drunk again. His inhibitions are relaxed.
#34. To: mininggold (#29)
#35. To: Fred Mertz (#30)
#36. To: Badeye (#34)
Nope, I prefer the company of rational minds, ming.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#37. To: mininggold (#28)
#38. To: Badeye (#37)
dunno ming, why do you find anyone thats Jewish to be evil?
#39. To: Badeye (#35)
#40. To: Fred Mertz (#39)
You're a dickweed. If I was childish like you, I'd accuse you of screwing your rescue dogs, but I won't because I actually respect you for doing what you do in that regard.
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