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Title: NBC changes Pledge of Allegiance.
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Published: Jun 19, 2011
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Post Date: 2011-06-19 13:57:46 by Wood_Chopper
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Did anyone see the opening to the U.S. Open Golf Tournament? NBC TWICE had a group of school children reciting the Pledge of Allegiance and edited it so that the phrase "under God, indivisible" was omitted. Can't wait to hear the NBC's new version of the National Anthem.
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#35. To: Godwinson (#34)
It's amusing to watch conservative patriots get all possessive about the pledge written by a socialist.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
The US CIA has invaded both US and FOREIGN press with agents. This was proved some 30 years ago. And the larger the press organization (such as ABC, CBS, NBC (et. al.) the more CIA agents contribute towards news articles. I am confident you know that minor fact that is not newsworthy. I should have wrote it a little more sarcastically.
Conservative patriots have never been the sharpest knives in the drawer. With their complete hatred of government I don't know why they support this oath at all.
They wear their ignorance of and/or refusal to learn history on their sleeves.
If most had been around after the revolution I'm sure they would have found the constitution that was drawn up to be much too restrictive of their 'right' to be anarchists.
I'm sure you don't know why. And the reason you don't know why, is because you think The United States and the United States Government are the same thing.
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To all of you offering the excuse that NBC was just saying it the way it used to be said, would you be making the same argument if the kids were shown standing there giving the Nazi salute while saying it, just like it used to be done?
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That's a stupid comparison. When did kids in this country ever give the Nazi salute? All that happened was that the pledge was recited the way it was written, not the way it was changed by the cold warriors.
Do you ever take the time to read what's posted? From Godwinson:"Heck, before WW2 and Hitler made the salute unpopular - American's said the Pledge in the "Roman" manner - out stretched hand directed at the flag aka the Nazi salute (the old Roman Republic salute)." That's the same time period. So, if you want to go back to "the way it was", you'd have no problem going back to "Roman style"?
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Because someone says something doesn't mean I accept it as being true. I'd like to see some data.
If it's true, you'd have no problem going back to "the way it was", with the kids standing there with the Nazi salute? You don't want it "the way it was", you want it the way you want it.
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The pledge was formally adopted in 1942, so I doubt very much that anyone was doing a Nazi salute with it. Here's an image from 1899 showing students saying an earlier version of the pledge. Note that the hands are over the heart, but turned 90 degrees from resting on the chest.
Since it's not true your post is pointless.
I will revise my last post. There was a short-lived "Bellamy salute" that some students used that resembled the Nazi salute. It was changed to the hand over heart version in 1942 for obvious reasons. Now, would I like to return to the earlier version? No. As a matter of principle I'd like to see the pledge abandoned altogether. I'm surprised the opponents of Socialism and Big Government don't agree with me.
Stone, re-reading my post, I wrote it poorly and didn't get my idea across. Lemee try again. They can report a "news event" any way they want to, and that's fine by me. They can use the reason that, "folks see the same event differently". And everyone knows they "interpret" (spin) the facts to fit their agenda. And that is what buckeroo was talking about. They can "interpret" the facts, but they shouldn't CHANGE the facts to fit their interpretation. That's what I was talking about. But the Pledge is what it is. It is a fact. It is what it is NOW. They have CHANGED fact to fit their position. And it was no oversight. It was done not once but TWICE during their presentation. It was deliberate. They can argue all day long whether or not the 2nd Amendment pertains to a militia or to the individual, BUT THEY CANNOT CHANGE THE WORDING OF THE 2ND AMENDMENT to support their argument. Suppose they had children recite the 2nd Amendment as follows: A well regulated Militia,(break to show Marines raising the flag) being necessary to the security of a free State, (break to show F-16s passing overhead) the right (break to show soldiers saluting the flag)to keep and bear Arms,(break to show whatever) shall not be infringed. (Show large American flag waving in the breeze as patriotic music swells to a climax) The omission of the phrase "of the people" would be no different than omitting the phrase "under God, indivisible".
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No surprise here. Then just say it and quit the BS argument about "the way it used to be".
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"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
What I am pointing out - not arguing on behalf of NBC - is the irony - funny irony - that so called conservatives are so outraged a socialist pledge was mangled. I mean, you kooks are the limited govt types freaking out that the school of the govt is teaching your kids stuff and yet you demand that the most socialist of all pledges - socialist in origin and message - is not in any way weakened. That is why you so called conservatives are laughable clowns.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Imagine how they would scream if government schools decided not to have children begin their day by pledging allegiance to the government they fear is taking over everything.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
That is the way it used to be. Somehow back then, without loyalty oaths or the praising of a mythical deity, the country managed to thrive, unlike today.
And some here think that the US and the US government are not the same thing. I'm trying to figure out how that 'United' thingy works without the glue that is the government.
Race. These are the old Dixie-crats metamorphed for a new era. They hate the govt more so when it became responsible for ending discriminations. Much of the so called right wing world view is based around them having the freedomn to deny rights and services to minority groups. With that said, the Pledge Of Allegiance fetish shows that this group - which can't stand govt or the state - supposedly - actually loves the symbolisms of 19th century nationalism (of course it makes sense if you realize this nationalism excludes minority Americans).
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
I think it's somewhat analogous to an open marriage.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
There was additional movement of the hands where this hand thus resting on the heart palm down would be extended to the flag. I don't recall if the movement in the picture is the end of the salute or the start of the salute. The so called "Sieg Heil" motion you see in films about Nazis. The Nazis of course stole this salute but tainted it by using it.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
The Nazi saluter always included a 'Heil Hitler'. Well not all did it, just those that wanted to stay out of prison or a camp.
And some here, like you (you little sweetheart), think the US and the US government ARE one in the same. You're not bright enough to realize it, but you've just demonstrated that the government is NOT the United States. Bad glue, and a piece of furniture falls apart. I see that NBC has issued a SECOND apology, stating that editing the pledge was "a bad decision" made by a small group of people. Even NBC disagrees with you.
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I see that NBC has issued a SECOND apology, stating that editing the pledge was "a bad decision" made by a small group of people. Even NBC disagrees with you. NBC is your source not mine, I could care less what they edit. And guess what happened in the old USSR when the glue no longer held? There would be no USA without the government... period. Otherwise what was the purpose of the First Continental Congress?
You little sweetheart you, re-writing the pledge are you? So now its worded, "I pledge allegiance to the government" according to you.
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So now its worded, "I pledge allegiance to the government" according to you. I see you've even resorted to changing my posts in order to try to make YOUR point. But I see you can't refute anything...... again.
To make good glue. They realized what you don't. The United States is not a tangible thing. It is an IDEA. The government is a tangible thing. That's why Ben said, "A Republic, if you can keep it." The US is a quite different thing than the US government.
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So now its worded, "I pledge allegiance to the government" according to you. I see you've even resorted to changing my posts in order to try to make YOUR point. But I see you can't refute anything...... again. Hey yukon, you're answering a post I made to lucysmom and claiming it as yours. Too many windows open??? Are you and lucysmom one and the same?
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In the oath it's called a REPUBLIC which certainly is tangible. You can live in a figment of your imagination, but I prefer reality.
Are you and lucysmom one and the same? Sorry, I forgot someone as perfect as yourself never makes mistakes. I see you put a call in to your mommy to help you out.
You made a mistake alright. You knew the words were yours, you just screwed up on which screen name you had posted them.
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Another misconception on your part but then what's new?
i think it is disgusting that nbc would change the pledge. even if it was only added a fairly short time ago it is a part of our nations pledge and to change it is to disrespect and dis this nation. i def dont agree with a lot of our nations actions but im still proud to be an American and a conservative Baptist and i take great offence to what nbc did.
I agree with you drew. Welcome to the site.
Ming: Sorry, I forgot someone as perfect as yourself never makes mistakes. I see you put a call in to your mommy to help you out. LOL. You're busted, lucysIDIOTmom/whining-old. BUSTED. Bookmarked for future reference.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” The State can no longer hide the consequences of their 100-year lie. VERY interesting times are ahead.
As Capitalist Eric you ping your lesser self as capitalist eric? What's up with that?
Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.
It's great to know how stupid capitalists can be fooled so easily. No wonder you are bitter.
The mistake is you are outed as Lucysmom.
the Pledge was created by a Socialist minister
#36. To: buckeroo (#32)
There is a major GLITCH in your post.
#37. To: lucysmom (#35)
It's amusing to watch conservative patriots get all possessive about the pledge written by a socialist.
#38. To: lucysmom (#35)
It's amusing to watch conservative patriots get all possessive about the pledge written by a socialist.
#39. To: Skip Intro (#37)
(Edited)
Conservative patriots have never been the sharpest knives in the drawer. With their complete hatred of government I don't know why they support this oath at all.
#40. To: Skip Intro (#37)
With their complete hatred of government I don't know why they support this oath at all.
#41. To: Godwinson, lucysmom, Skip Intro, mininggold, harrowup, war (#34)
The original "Pledge of Allegiance" until the 1950s did not have the "Under God" reference and - this is the good part - the Pledge was created by a Socialist minister - I mean full Socialist - commie pinko. Heck, before WW2 and Hitler made the salute unpopular - American's said the Pledge in the "Roman" manner - out stretched hand directed at the flag aka the Nazi salute (the old Roman Republic salute).
#42. To: Wood_Chopper (#41)
would you be making the same argument if the kids were shown standing there giving the Nazi salute while saying it, just like it used to be done?
#43. To: Skip Intro (#42)
That's a stupid comparison. When did kids in this country ever give the Nazi salute?
#44. To: Wood_Chopper (#43)
#45. To: Skip Intro (#44)
I'd like to see some data.
#46. To: All (#44)
#47. To: Wood_Chopper (#45)
If it's true, you'd have no problem going back to "the way it was",
#48. To: All (#47)
#49. To: A K A Stone, buckeroo (#29)
That is why I said what you said and buckeroo said is pretty much the same thing.
#50. To: Skip Intro (#48)
No. As a matter of principle I'd like to see the pledge abandoned altogether.
#51. To: Wood_Chopper, Skip Intro (#45)
#52. To: Wood_Chopper, lucysmom, Skip Intro, mininggold, harrowup, war (#41)
To all of you offering the excuse that NBC was just saying it the way it used to be said, would you be making the same argument if the kids were shown standing there giving the Nazi salute while saying it, just like it used to be done?
#53. To: Godwinson (#52)
...you kooks are the limited govt types freaking out that the school of the govt...
#54. To: Wood_Chopper (#50)
(Edited)
Then just say it and quit the BS argument about "the way it used to be".
#55. To: lucysmom, Wood_Chopper (#53)
Imagine how they would scream if government schools decided not to have children begin their day by pledging allegiance to the government they fear is taking over everything.
#56. To: mininggold, lucysmom, Wood_Chopper (#55)
I'm trying to figure out how that 'United' thingy works without the glue that is the government.
#57. To: mininggold (#55)
I'm trying to figure out how that 'United' thingy works without the glue that is the government.
#58. To: Skip Intro (#46)
Here's an image from 1899 showing students saying an earlier version of the pledge. Note that the hands are over the heart, but turned 90 degrees from resting on the chest.
#59. To: Wood_Chopper (#45)
If it's true, you'd have no problem going back to "the way it was", with the kids standing there with the Nazi salute?
#60. To: mininggold (#55)
And some here think that the US and the US government are not the same thing.
I'm trying to figure out how that 'United' thingy works without the glue that is the government.
#61. To: Wood_Chopper (#60)
(Edited)
You're not bright enough to realize it, but you've just demonstrated that the government is NOT the United States. Bad glue, and a piece of furniture falls apart.
#62. To: lucysmom (#53)
Imagine how they would scream if government schools decided not to have children begin their day by pledging allegiance to the government
#63. To: Wood_Chopper (#62)
You little sweetheart you, re-writing the pledge are you?
#64. To: mininggold (#61)
Otherwise what was the purpose of the First Continental Congress?
#65. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#63)
(Edited)
You little sweetheart you, re-writing the pledge are you?
#66. To: Wood_Chopper (#64)
(Edited)
To make good glue. They realized what you don't. The United States is not a tangible thing. It is an IDEA. The government is a tangible thing.
#67. To: Wood_Chopper (#65)
(Edited)
Hey yukon, you're answering a post I made to lucysmom and claiming it as yours. Too many windows open???
#68. To: mininggold (#67)
Sorry, I forgot someone as perfect as yourself never makes mistakes.
#69. To: Wood_Chopper (#68)
You made a mistake alright. You knew the words were yours, you just screwed up on which screen name you had posted them.
#70. To: Wood_Chopper (#0)
#71. To: drew (#70)
#72. To: mininggold, wood_chopper, lucysmom, capitalist eric (#67)
Wood_Chopper:Hey yukon, you're answering a post I made to lucysmom and claiming it as yours. Too many windows open??? Are you and lucysmom one and the same?
-- Joseph Goebbels --
#73. To: Capitalist Eric, mininggold (#72)
To: mininggold, wood_chopper, lucysmom, capitalist eric
#74. To: Capitalist Eric (#72)
You're busted, lucysIDIOTmom/whining-old.
#75. To: mininggold (#67)
Sorry, I forgot someone as perfect as yourself never makes mistakes. I see you put a call in to your mommy to help you out.
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