[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

"Analysis: The Final State of the Presidential Race"

He’ll, You Pieces of Garbage

The Future of Warfare -- No more martyrdom!

"Kamala’s Inane Talking Points"

"The Harris Campaign Is Testament to the Toxicity of Woke Politics"

Easy Drywall Patch

Israel Preparing NEW Iran Strike? Iran Vows “Unimaginable” Response | Watchman Newscast

In Logansport, Indiana, Kids are Being Pushed Out of Schools After Migrants Swelled County’s Population by 30%: "Everybody else is falling behind"

Exclusive — Bernie Moreno: We Spend $110,000 Per Illegal Migrant Per Year, More than Twice What ‘the Average American Makes’

Florida County: 41 of 45 People Arrested for Looting after Hurricanes Helene and Milton are Noncitizens

Presidential race: Is a Split Ticket the only Answer?

hurricanes and heat waves are Worse

'Backbone of Iran's missile industry' destroyed by IAF strikes on Islamic Republic

Joe Rogan Experience #2219 - Donald Trump

IDF raids Hezbollah Radwan Forces underground bases, discovers massive cache of weapons

Gallant: ‘After we strike in Iran,’ the world will understand all of our training

The Atlantic Hit Piece On Trump Is A Psy-Op To Justify Post-Election Violence If Harris Loses

Six Al Jazeera journalists are Hamas, PIJ terrorists

Judge Aileen Cannon, who tossed Trump's classified docs case, on list of proposed candidates for attorney general

Iran's Assassination Program in Europe: Europe Goes Back to Sleep

Susan Olsen says Brady Bunch revival was cancelled because she’s MAGA.

Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report

Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence.

Tenn. AG reveals ICE released thousands of ‘murderers and rapists’ from detention centers into US streets

Kamala Harris Touts Mass Amnesty Offering Fast-Tracked Citizenship to Nearly Every Illegal Alien in U.S.

Migration Crisis Fueled Rise in Tuberculosis Cases Study Finds

"They’re Going to Try to Kill Trump Again"

"Dems' Attempts at Power Grab Losing Their Grip"

"Restoring a ‘Great Moderation’ in Fiscal Policy"

"As attacks intensify, Trump becomes more popular"

Posting Articles Now Working Here

Another Test

Testing

Kamala Harris, reparations, and guaranteed income

Did Mudboy Slim finally kill this place?

"Why Young Americans Are Not Taught about Evil"

"New Rules For Radicals — How To Reinvent Kamala Harris"

"Harris’ problem: She’s a complete phony"

Hurricane Beryl strikes Bay City (TX)

Who Is ‘Destroying Democracy In Darkness?’

‘Kamalanomics’ is just ‘Bidenomics’ but dumber

Even The Washington Post Says Kamala's 'Price Control' Plan is 'Communist'

Arthur Ray Hines, "Sneakypete", has passed away.

No righT ... for me To hear --- whaT you say !

"Walz’s Fellow Guardsmen Set the Record Straight on Veep Candidate’s Military Career: ‘He Bailed Out’ "

"Kamala Harris Selects Progressive Minnesota Governor Tim Walz as Running Mate"

"The Teleprompter Campaign"

Good Riddance to Ismail Haniyeh

"Pagans in Paris"

"Liberal groupthink makes American life creepy and could cost Democrats the election".


Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

Economy
See other Economy Articles

Title: The Money Hole
Source: HE
URL Source: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44188
Published: Jun 18, 2011
Author: John Stossel
Post Date: 2011-06-18 09:17:52 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 124941
Comments: 157

The Money Hole

by John Stossel, 06/15/2011

America is falling deeper into debt. We're long past the point where drastic action is needed. We're near Greek levels of debt. What's going to happen?

Maybe riots -- like we've seen in Greece?

We need to make cuts now.

Some governors have shown the way. You know about Chris Christie, Scott Walker, Rick Scott, John Kasich, etc. But you probably don't know about Luis Fortuno.

Fortuno is governor of Puerto Rico. Two years ago, he fired 17,000 government workers. No state governor did anything like that. He cut spending much more than Walker did in Wisconsin. In return, thousands of union members demonstrated against Fortuno for days. They clashed with police. They called him a fascist

Fortuno said he had to make the cuts because Puerto Rico's economy was a mess.

"Not just a mess. We didn't have enough money to meet our first payroll."

Fortuno's predecessors had grown Puerto Rico's government to the point that the state employed one out of every three workers. By the time he was elected, Puerto Rico was broke. So the new conservative majority, the first in Puerto Rico in 40 years, shrank the government.

What was cut?

"Everything. I started with my own salary."

The protesters said he should raise taxes instead of cutting spending.

"Our taxes were as high as they could be, actually much higher than most of the country. So what we've done is the opposite." Fortuno reduced corporate taxes from 35 percent to 25 percent. He reduced individual income taxes. He privatized entire government agencies.

"Bring in the private sector," Fortuno said. "They will do a better job. They will do it cheaper."

Fortuno's advice for leaders who want to shrink the state: "Do what you need to do quickly, swiftly, like when you take off a Band-Aid. Just do it. And move on to better things."

Canada did that years ago.

When I think Canada, I think big government. I'm embarrassed that I didn't know that in the mid-'90s, Canada shrank its government. It had to. Its debt level was as bad as ours is today, almost 70 percent of the economy. Canada's finance minister said: "We are in debt up to our eyeballs. That can't be sustained."

Economist David Henderson, a Canadian who left Canada for the United States, remembers when The Wall Street Journal called the Canadian dollar "the peso of the north." It was worth just 72 American cents. "Moody's put the Canadian federal debt on a credit watch," Henderson said.

The problem, he added, was that Canada had a government safety net that was more like a hammock.

"When I was growing up in Canada, people who went on unemployment insurance were said to go in the 'pogie.' You could work as little as eight weeks, taking the rest of the year off."

So in 1995 Canadian leaders cut unemployment benefits and other programs. It happened quietly because it was a liberal government, and liberals didn't want to criticize their own. The result was that Canada's debt stopped increasing. As the government ran budget surpluses, the debt went down.

"The economy boomed," Henderson said. "Think about what government does. Government wastes most of what it spends, and so just cutting government and having that money in the hands of people means it's going to be used more valuably."

Canada fired government workers, but unemployment didn't increase. In fact, it fell from 12 percent to 6 percent. Canadian unemployment is still well below ours. And the Canadian dollar rose from just 72 American cents to $1.02 today.

Canada also raised some taxes. But the spending cuts were much bigger, six to one: agriculture was cut 22 percent; fisheries, 27 percent; natural resources, almost 50 percent.

"We should learn from Canada's experience that you can cut government substantially," Henderson said. "It is so wasteful. There's so much to cut, without causing much real pain -- not causing pain, but helping your economy grow, helping people become better off."

Henderson added, "We need to move more quickly than the Canadians did. Unfortunately, we're moving more slowly than the Canadians did."

If we're moving at all.

While Canada thrives, we pour more money down the hole.


Poster Comment:

Now we know why Obozo went to Puerto Rico, can't have an American "territory" doing just the exact opposite of what the Great Leader is doing.....

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

Comments (1-117) not displayed.
      .
      .
      .

#118. To: A K A Stone (#112)

Are you saying he is a liar just because he is black?

Just because Obama is a liar doesn't mean all blacks are liars.

I'm saying he's a politician and you really need to stop worshipping them.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-18   14:18:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: mininggold (#118)

Worhip. It is the democrats who worship Obama. He tells them it is ok to kill little kids.

Lets put some money on Herman Cain being on the ballot.

You name the amount.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-18   14:25:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: A K A Stone (#119) (Edited)

Worhip. It is the democrats who worship Obama. He tells them it is ok to kill little kids.

Lets put some money on Herman Cain being on the ballot.

You name the amount

Send your bet to him, you can call it a tithe.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-18   14:40:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: A K A Stone (#112)

Just because Obama is a liar doesn't mean all blacks are liars.

Obama isn't black, he's a Faux black!!!!

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-06-18   17:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: A K A Stone (#107)

Aren't we supposed to be free from having out personal effects papers etc searched by the govt.

And yet you would have the government do just that to the man who happens at the moment to be poor and need help.

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-18   18:11:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: lucysmom (#122)

And yet you would have the government do just that to the man who happens at the moment to be poor and need help.

You are for legalized theft. Why do people who covet other peoples money think they are entitled to it just because they are "poor"?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-18   20:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: A K A Stone (#123)

You are for legalized theft. Why do people who covet other peoples money think they are entitled to it just because they are "poor"?

Why do you think you're entitled to the blessing of living in a country where you are able to provide for yourself and your family without paying your dues?

The Bible says the poor are entitled to care and as a fortunate man of God you are obligated to give that care.

If you extend your soul to the hungry And satisfy the afflicted soul, Then your light shall dawn in the darkness, And your darkness shall be as the noonday. The LORD will guide you continually, And satisfy your soul in drought, And strengthen your bones; You shall be like a watered garden, And like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail.

Isaiah 58:10,11 If you believed that, you wouldn't be so grumpy

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-18   23:18:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: lucysmom (#124)

Why do you think you're entitled to the blessing of living in a country where you are able to provide for yourself and your family without paying your dues?

Because I owe no man anything.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-18   23:22:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: lucysmom (#124)

The Bible says...

Oh, crap. I'm going to bed now.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-06-18   23:22:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: lucysmom (#124)

The Bible says the poor are

Then why does the government steal most of our money so that we can't help people as well as we would be able to?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-18   23:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Fred Mertz (#126)

The Bible says...

Oh, crap. I'm going to bed now.

You said you are going to church in the morning.

When the Pastor or whoever opens up the Bible and starts reading. You really should get up and leave.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-18   23:24:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: A K A Stone (#128)

GFY...bible thumper.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-06-18   23:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Fred Mertz (#126)

Oh, crap. I'm going to bed now.

Good morning Fred, how did you sleep?

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-19   9:42:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: A K A Stone (#125)

Why do you think you're entitled to the blessing of living in a country where you are able to provide for yourself and your family without paying your dues?

Because I owe no man anything.

Spoken like the entitled.

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-19   9:46:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: lucysmom (#131)

Spoken like the entitled.

So you think being a free person is an entitlement? What a silly notion.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-19   9:56:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: A K A Stone (#127)

Then why does the government steal most of our money so that we can't help people as well as we would be able to?

Most of your money?

Taxes in the US are nowhere near as onerous as they were for Jews under Roman occupation and still Jesus says pay your taxes without commenting on the use government puts the money to. The New Testament makes clear that in addition to paying taxes, caring for the poor is still a personal responsibility.

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-19   11:20:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: lucysmom, A K a Stone (#133) (Edited)

Taxes in the US are nowhere near as onerous as they were for Jews under Roman occupation and still Jesus says pay your taxes without commenting on the use government puts the money to. The New Testament makes clear that in addition to paying taxes, caring for the poor is still a personal responsibility.

I think he's one of those 'sovereign citizens' who think that laws and New Testament teachings apply only to others.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-19   12:01:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: mininggold (#134)

I think he's one of those 'sovereign citizens' who think that laws and New Testament teachings apply only to others.

Then he can't be a Christian either.

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-19   12:46:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: lucysmom (#130)

Good morning Fred, how did you sleep?

I slept like a log. Apparently there were storms and thunder and lightning, but I sleep better when it rains. I even made it to church this morning. Our priest's last Mass before he moves to another parish. Our next priest is cousin to my beer drinking friend. It should be interesting.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-06-19   22:00:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: lucysmom (#133)

Taxes in the US are nowhere near as onerous as they were for Jews under Roman occupation and still Jesus says pay your taxes without commenting on the use government puts the money to. The New Testament makes clear that in addition to paying taxes, caring for the poor is still a personal responsibility.

Jesus didn't say pay your taxes. He said if you are Caesars then pay Caesar.

Go back and reread what he said.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-19   22:10:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: A K A Stone (#127)

Then why does the government steal most of our money so that we can't help people as well as we would be able to?

The government only steals most of the money of dumb schmucks like you. If you're rich like me you won't pay any income taxes at all (Thanks GWB, and thank you Stone for supporting my tax free lifestyle).

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-19   22:24:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: Skip Intro (#138)

Are you a liar or are you stupid? The Rich pay most taxes.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-19   22:26:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: A K A Stone (#137)

Go back and reread what he said.

Mark 12:13 Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words. 14 They came to him and said, “Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial tax[b] to Caesar or not? 15 Should we pay or shouldn’t we?”

But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?” he asked. “Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” 16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”

“Caesar’s,” they replied.

17 Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.”

And they were amazed at him.

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-19   22:27:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: lucysmom (#140)

Like I said. Jesus didn't say pay taxes. He said give to Caesar what is Caesars.

Are you Caesares?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-19   22:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: A K A Stone (#139)

The Rich pay most taxes.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just keep telling yourself that, dumbshit.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-19   23:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: Fred Mertz (#136)

I slept like a log. Apparently there were storms and thunder and lightning, but I sleep better when it rains.

Lucky you.

Hmm - Does your new priest have to recuse himself where you're concerned?

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-19   23:09:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: A K A Stone (#141)

Like I said. Jesus didn't say pay taxes. He said give to Caesar what is Caesars.

I think you're missing the context.

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-19   23:11:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: Skip Intro (#142)

Get your head out of Obamas stinky asshole. Then maybe you can wipe the shit off of your face. Then you can read the statistics about who pays what percentage of taxes. Fool.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-19   23:14:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: lucysmom (#144)

The context is if you are Caesars property then give to Caesar.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-19   23:15:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: A K A Stone (#146)

The context is if you are Caesars property then give to Caesar.

The context, But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?” he asked. “Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” 16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”

clearly indicates Jesus is talking about the coin of the realm, not the person holding the coin.

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-19   23:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: A K A Stone (#145)

Thank god for morons like you. The rich are so overtaxed they don't own multiple houses, private jets, luxury cars, or belong to multiple private golf courses.

It's because of idiots like you that it's all possible. I thank you.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-19   23:20:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: lucysmom (#143)

Hmm - Does your new priest have to recuse himself where you're concerned?

I asked him to bless my filly about 3 years ago while she was in his parish area in south central Kentucky. This was the St. Francis of Assisi thing for Catholics and their pets. He was 60 or 70 miles away and blew me off. My filly won a month or two later anyway.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-06-19   23:21:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: lucysmom (#147)

If you are truly interested. Here learn this.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-19   23:22:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Skip Intro (#148)

You are such a covetous bastard.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-19   23:22:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Fred Mertz (#149)

He was 60 or 70 miles away and blew me off. My filly won a month or two later anyway.

Who needs him then?

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-19   23:27:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: A K A Stone (#151)

But I don't pay any income taxes. Isn't that what you were bitching about?

It's tough being poor, isn't it?

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-19   23:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: lucysmom (#152)

Do you really think God blesses someones horse for a race?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-19   23:29:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: A K A Stone (#154)

I think one can ask.

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-20   7:28:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: lucysmom (#155)

I think one can ask.

It wasn't for a race, it was for a good, healthy life. A K A Blockhead is such a Goldi.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-06-20   8:52:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Fred Mertz (#156)

That's what I thought.

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-20   9:13:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Please report web page problems, questions and comments to webmaster@libertysflame.com