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Title: The Money Hole
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URL Source: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44188
Published: Jun 18, 2011
Author: John Stossel
Post Date: 2011-06-18 09:17:52 by CZ82
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Comments: 157
The Money Hole by John Stossel, 06/15/2011 America is falling deeper into debt. We're long past the point where drastic action is needed. We're near Greek levels of debt. What's going to happen? Maybe riots -- like we've seen in Greece? We need to make cuts now. Some governors have shown the way. You know about Chris Christie, Scott Walker, Rick Scott, John Kasich, etc. But you probably don't know about Luis Fortuno. Fortuno is governor of Puerto Rico. Two years ago, he fired 17,000 government workers. No state governor did anything like that. He cut spending much more than Walker did in Wisconsin. In return, thousands of union members demonstrated against Fortuno for days. They clashed with police. They called him a fascist Fortuno said he had to make the cuts because Puerto Rico's economy was a mess. "Not just a mess. We didn't have enough money to meet our first payroll." Fortuno's predecessors had grown Puerto Rico's government to the point that the state employed one out of every three workers. By the time he was elected, Puerto Rico was broke. So the new conservative majority, the first in Puerto Rico in 40 years, shrank the government. What was cut? "Everything. I started with my own salary." The protesters said he should raise taxes instead of cutting spending. "Our taxes were as high as they could be, actually much higher than most of the country. So what we've done is the opposite." Fortuno reduced corporate taxes from 35 percent to 25 percent. He reduced individual income taxes. He privatized entire government agencies. "Bring in the private sector," Fortuno said. "They will do a better job. They will do it cheaper." Fortuno's advice for leaders who want to shrink the state: "Do what you need to do quickly, swiftly, like when you take off a Band-Aid. Just do it. And move on to better things." Canada did that years ago. When I think Canada, I think big government. I'm embarrassed that I didn't know that in the mid-'90s, Canada shrank its government. It had to. Its debt level was as bad as ours is today, almost 70 percent of the economy. Canada's finance minister said: "We are in debt up to our eyeballs. That can't be sustained." Economist David Henderson, a Canadian who left Canada for the United States, remembers when The Wall Street Journal called the Canadian dollar "the peso of the north." It was worth just 72 American cents. "Moody's put the Canadian federal debt on a credit watch," Henderson said. The problem, he added, was that Canada had a government safety net that was more like a hammock. "When I was growing up in Canada, people who went on unemployment insurance were said to go in the 'pogie.' You could work as little as eight weeks, taking the rest of the year off." So in 1995 Canadian leaders cut unemployment benefits and other programs. It happened quietly because it was a liberal government, and liberals didn't want to criticize their own. The result was that Canada's debt stopped increasing. As the government ran budget surpluses, the debt went down. "The economy boomed," Henderson said. "Think about what government does. Government wastes most of what it spends, and so just cutting government and having that money in the hands of people means it's going to be used more valuably." Canada fired government workers, but unemployment didn't increase. In fact, it fell from 12 percent to 6 percent. Canadian unemployment is still well below ours. And the Canadian dollar rose from just 72 American cents to $1.02 today. Canada also raised some taxes. But the spending cuts were much bigger, six to one: agriculture was cut 22 percent; fisheries, 27 percent; natural resources, almost 50 percent. "We should learn from Canada's experience that you can cut government substantially," Henderson said. "It is so wasteful. There's so much to cut, without causing much real pain -- not causing pain, but helping your economy grow, helping people become better off." Henderson added, "We need to move more quickly than the Canadians did. Unfortunately, we're moving more slowly than the Canadians did." If we're moving at all. While Canada thrives, we pour more money down the hole.
Poster Comment: Now we know why Obozo went to Puerto Rico, can't have an American "territory" doing just the exact opposite of what the Great Leader is doing.....
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Some morons were on here complaining the Rich don't pay enough taxes. What a load of shit. Especially when half don't pay anything. There should be no federal income tax. It isn't needed. Cut unconstitutional spending and the budget will have a surplus.
Some governors have shown the way. You know about Chris Christie, Scott Walker, Rick Scott, John Kasich, etc. But you probably don't know about Luis Fortuno. Fortuno is governor of Puerto Rico. Two years ago, he fired 17,000 government workers. Workforce participation rate in Puerto Rico is 40%, unemployment is 16%, dropping only one percentage point since 2009 when Fortuño took office. However bond ratings have improved. Imagine if Obama could duplicate Puerto Rico's economic recovery! Side note: so far this year the number of murders exceeds by 90 the total murders committed in 2010.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
The rich will never allow that to happen.
The lazy class would actually have to work for a living instead of hand outs from the government. The rich aren't all of the same opinion. What is your definition of rich? I would bet most would love to get rid of federal taxes. Why do you doubt me. Haven't you learned anything about me yet?
Yes; being a bible-thumping bigot is no way to go through life.
Why do you hate God Fred?
Why do you hate Mexicans? Oops, that's on the FEMA tornado thread.
Who said I hate Mexicans?
I would bet most would love to get rid of federal taxes. Since you only argue by what your feelings tell you, I still and will always have plenty of healthy doubt. They only want the top tax brackets lowered as they want the middle class and poor to pay for it all.
You mean they are tired of paying taxes and lazy people getting the benefits of their work? Who would have guessed.
Umm - yeah - that's what happens when wealth is concentrated at the top. Most amazing of all, the top 0.1% -- that's one-tenth of one percent -- had more combined pre-tax income than the poorest 120 million people (Johnston, 2006). sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html If you want more people to pay income taxes, then spread the wealth around so more people have income that rises to taxable levels. Of course if you're talking about all taxes and not just income taxes then your statement is false.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
There are no poor people in America. Or let me put it this way. There are no unwilling poor people in America. The poorest people here have far more then "rich" people in any other age or nation. If someone gets government money. Would you be ok with going in their house and seeing if they have big screen TV. Xbox, pS3 and a cell phone. And confiscating it to pay back society?
I think it's just the opposite since the middle class and the poor make up the vast majority of the soldiers who put their lives on the line in the military, to protect the corporate business interests.
No doubt they'd like to duplicate the French system, pre-revolution, the middle and lower classes paid all taxes while the upper crust spent the money.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
How does the military protect their business interests?
There should be a 10 percent flat tax. That is fair and more then enough money for the government to provide legitimate functions.
These types think they will be leading the revolution not realizing that when it comes they will be the ones revolted against.
Like servants, land, food, political power... If someone gets government money. Would you be ok with going in their house and seeing if they have big screen TV. Xbox, pS3 and a cell phone. And confiscating it to pay back society? Not many big screen TVs among the homeless.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Really, you don't even know what's happening overseas? Vietnam was fought over the right for you to have rubber for your tires.
How many welfare deadbeats have those items? Answer most.
Really, you don't even know what's happening overseas? Yeah Obama is ruining our reputation. China is making lots of deals.
You trust the Chinese after they put melamine in your food? You will never learn will you?
I see the two sweethearts are in rare form today!
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
I am curious to how your brain malfunctions. How do you get that I trust the Chinese after that statement? China is our enemy. We should put 1000 percent tariffs on all of their goods. That is for starters.
You talking about Fred and Buck or mining and mom?
It's not my fault your statement was so obtuse.
You said our military makes it good for business. I simply pointed out that they are breaking things and other nations don't like that. China is playing chess and getting lots of mineral deals. It isn't my fault that you can't back up your rhetoric.
Be careful what you pray for...
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Of course you can back that up with actual facts.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, America has the most progressive tax system in the world. The top 10% of income earners in the U.S. pay a larger share of their income than in any other developed country. The U.S. soaks the rich like no other country does. Wouldn't creating jobs for those people be a better solution???? Give them the opportunity to be responsible for themselves and their families!!!! That might even create a little more honesty and integrity in this country, what a novel idea.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
I simply pointed out that they are breaking things and other nations don't like that. After we have destroyed most of their cultural history do we not pay our buisinesses to rebuild these countries in our own image afterward? We are in Afghanistan and Iraq to make sure that oil gets to your local refinery. Saddam setting the wells on fire after the Gulf War was the clincher, not all that malarkey about human rights.
Lucysmom thinks that the government should tell you what you get and how much. It shouldn't be a result of your hard work and planning. Kind of like star trek. Where everyone has a replicator and there is no money.
That is meaningless without discussing income distribution.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Give them the opportunity to be responsible for themselves and their families!!!! That might even create a little more honesty and integrity in this country, what a novel idea..... Their jobs are being created in China.
This current crisis is due to the lack of integrity at the top, not the bottom.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
So income shouldn't be earned. It should be distributed. Should it be evenly distributed?
Do you know how to read? Apparently not. So let me explain it to you. The first column shows the percentage of taxes the top 10% pays. The second column shows the percentage of income the top 10% earns. The third column shows the ratio of taxes to income that the top 10% pays. These are called facts, and they are very relevant. What's not relevant is a bitter old coot blaming others for her own failures in life.
You might need to get the dictionary out for them and define facts.
Remember when Iraq was declared to be open for business? Turned out there was a little flaw in the plan: When Paul Bremer shredded Iraq's Baathist constitution and replaced it with what The Economist greeted approvingly as “the wish list of foreign investors,” there was one small detail he failed to mention: It was all completely illegal. The CPA derived its legal authority from United Nations Security Council Resolution 1483, passed in May 2003, which recognized the United States and Britain as Iraq's legitimate occupiers. It was this resolution that empowered Bremer to unilaterally make laws in Iraq. But the resolution also stated that the U.S. and Britain must “comply fully with their obligations under international law including in particular the Geneva Conventions of 1949 and the Hague Regulations of 1907.” Both conventions were born as an attempt to curtail the unfortunate historical tendency among occupying powers to rewrite the rules so that they can economically strip the nations they control. With this in mind, the conventions stipulate that an occupier must abide by a country's existing laws unless “absolutely prevented” from doing so. They also state that an occupier does not own the “public buildings, real estate, forests and agricultural assets” of the country it is occupying but is rather their “administrator” and custodian, keeping them secure until sovereignty is reestablished. This was the true threat to the Year Zero plan: since America didn't own Iraq's assets, it could not legally sell them, which meant that after the occupation ended, an Iraqi government could come to power and decide that it wanted to keep the state companies in public hands, or, as is the norm in the Gulf region, to bar foreign firms from owning 100 percent of national assets. Best article I've ever read on the subject. It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
LOL. I would rather run over my foot with a lawnmower than try to explain anything else to these resentful, envious, dimwits. There's no point.
How many people have seen the fruits of their hard work and planning wiped out in the collapse the ponzi scheme orchestrated by the banksters?
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
You're talking chump change. The biggest ponzi scheme in world history is social security. The government did it not the evil bankers.
Right. But this time, if they get more in tax cuts and subsidies, they will create more jobs at home - really.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Income distribution, not redistribution.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Since the bankers are instrumental in creating all the depressions and panics we have had in our history where citizen's savings and retirements went up in smoke, they do have some culpability.
Corporations believe only the markets should receive liquidity from the Fed.
That sounds like opinion and not fact. I don't really like Banks. But they aren't responsible for everything wrong financially with us.
Not only does America soak top income earners like no other country in the world, we also have the highest combined corporate tax rates in the world (Yes, the OCED chart says we're #2, but Japan just sliced 5 points off of their corporate tax rate, so we are now #1.) Kind of like star trek. Where everyone has a replicator and there is no money. The government doesn't even know how to fix it's own case of hemmoroids and that's an easy fix..... LOL.... Star Trek, I think that's the only program allowed on the DNC channel....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
The first column shows the percentage of taxes the top 10% pays. The second column shows the percentage of income the top 10% earns. The third column shows the ratio of taxes to income that the top 10% pays. Here, read this: It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
You are free to look it up for yourself. Do you know there was only a fifty year period where we had a fairly stable economy and then Glass-Steagal was rescinded and we find ourselves ...here. Your banker is now a stock broker. Who do you think he will look out for first?
I have an idea. How about looking out for yourself.
Well at least Japan is wising up, took them long enough though.... can't say the same thing for our current "regime", they will never learn.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
You sure are using a lot of "four letter words" today.... you need to go wash your keyboard out with soap!!!!
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Well I never looked at my banker as my mommy and daddy who are supposed to look out for me. I look at them as sharks who want my money and charge me fees for everything. You can't even cash a check made out to you anymore without being fingerprinted and fee'd. Yeah I made up a word.
Maybe you should move there since in one year they decreased their average life expectancy by a third.
Bullshit. A third? Come on be real.
You don't trust your banker? I though you loved the rich. All that crap you go through with your bank is more Bush DHS BS to make sure you are not funding some terrorist cell.
America is only 1 of 5 developed countries in the world that tax repatriated foreign earnings. That's after U.S. companies paid taxes on those earnings in the countries where the money was earned. It shouldn't take a genius to understand why U.S. companies are holding $3 trillion of foreign earnings overseas and refusing to bring the money home to invest here. No wonder why the economy is in the toilet. US Corps Pay Billions in Taxes to Overseas Authorities New research shows that US companies operating internationally pay out nearly a quarter of their profits to overseas tax authorities, before being taxed for the second time by the Internal Revenue Service. The US Tax Foundation has stood up to speak out against the currently common media sentiment that US corporations are not paying enough taxes on their foreign profits. In its latest Fiscal Fact report, published on April 26th, the Tax Foundation explained that the US has in place an effective system of taxing corporate profits in the US and abroad, requiring US companies with foreign operations to effectively pay 35 percent tax on their profits regardless of where they are earned. Currently, a US firm operating overseas is required to pay the corporate profit tax rate in the country where they conducted business. On a US level the company may receive a credit for taxes paid internationally, and will be required to make further payments to meet the US federal corporate rate of 35 percent. The new Tax Foundation’s research indicates that in 2007, US companies paid approximately USD 99 billion to foreign tax authorities, at an effective average tax rate of 25 percent. Scott Hodge, president of the Tax Foundation, commented on the finding, saying, “…the truth is US companies pay plenty of income taxes on international profits— they pay them to the host countries where that income is earned and where the benefits of those taxes are received.” Offering a suggestion to explain the commonly debated idea that companies are paying too little on their international earnings, Scott Hodge said, “…Washington simply wants another bite at the apple with our worldwide tax system.” The research showed that in 2007, US corporations had total taxable foreign incomes of approximately USD 392 billion. The largest portion of the earnings was garnered in Europe, where companies received USD 167 billion in incomes, and faced an effective tax rate of 24 percent. Across Asia, US corporations gathered USD 75 billion, and paid an effective rate of 30 percent. The highest tax rates were seen by companies operating in the African continent, at 38 percent of the incomes earned cumulatively across the respective countries.
It's already affecting the birth rate YOUR area. Hint, hint, Japanese cancer treatment centers will be lucrative investments.
I don't hate the rich just because they were successful. Everyone is supposed to be equal before the law. Why should they pay higher taxes. If everyone is taxed at the same rate. That would be fare. If you make 10 times as much money. You pay 10 times the taxes. If you make 1000 times as much money. You pay 1000 times as much taxes. You probably have a problem with that though. I mean being a libearal and all.
You came up with the number of 1/3. What do you base that on? I think it is your imagination.
Is that your imagination again? Or do you have some science behind the apparent speculation.
I just joined your prophecy club. But I bet it's a low ball number. The Japanese will never let the truth out, but it's already affecting birthrates half a world away.
So it is your imagination. You know what happens to false prophets right?
You know what happens to false prophets right? Your threats have no standing since you have no idea at this time if I'm false or not.
Threat?
I'm still waiting for him to provide proof that the poor have big screen TVs Xbox pS3s and cell phones purchased with government money.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
I know people on welfare. I've been in some of their houses. Do you think it isn't true?
So you wouldn't object to a bill that if someone gets government assistance those items would be seized to pay back the taxpayers?
Only the rich deserve government subsidies. They'll create a job in China.
I think it's anecdotal evidence that really proves nothing.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
I'll have to disagree with you again.
Does that include bankers? (really, such an odd thing for a freedom loving man to suggest)
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Here is a fact for you. Most people are on welfare because they are to fucking lazy to get a job. It is a problem created largely by democrat programs. Kind of like the tourists feeding the Pelicans. Then when winter comes the Pelicans die because no one is feeding them. They forgot how to do it for themselves.
Do you think it isn't true? Do you think Sony's or similiar lobbyists would for one minute support legislation that would not allow a certain segment of the American public to buy their products no matter where the money originated?
Does that include bankers? (really, such an odd thing for a freedom loving man to suggest) The bankers shouldn't get anything either. Let them go bankrupt, don't bail them out like Bush/Obama. A freedom loving man loves to keep what he earns. Not give it away to deadbeats. Is it really that hard for you to understand?
Nothing happens to them other than looking stupid. This year that could be a plus by raising them to the top of the GOP presidential candidate list.
It should be illegal for foreign companies of governments to lobby our congress, senate or president.
Looks like more of that corporate socialism.
Then why blame Obama for the high unemployment rate?
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Because he came to Ohio and like about NAFTA. That and other things.
That says poor, not people receiving government assistance. It doesn't say whether or not appliances are owned by the individual or by the landlord when the housing is rented. Are the vehicles road worthy, how old are they. How many TVs are big screen? Were TVs, answering machines, phones, VCRs, CD players, etc. purchased retail or at garage sales and thrift stores. Were any of those things gifts? Again, the information provided is meaningless in the context of this discussion.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Bush bailed out banks, not bankers. A freedom loving man loves to keep what he earns. Not give it away to deadbeats. The method you describe is fitting for totalitarian state.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
I suppose the government should outlaw thrift stores and garage sales because they exploit poor people. ROTLMAO. You have become totally unhinged from reality.
That and other things. So that's why lazy people don't work?
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
So people keeping what they earn is totalitarian? lol. Thanks for the laugh.
You have become totally unhinged from reality. If that's how you read it, then you, sir, are unhinged.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
When I upgraded my color televisions over the years - in fine working order - I gave them to those in need.
They don't work because they are happy to suck the government tit.
You're a fine man Fred. I take back everything bad I ever said about you.
No, government taking stuff away from poor people that the government decides the people are too poor to own. Thanks for the laugh. Back attcha!
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
So the "poor" are entitled to other peoples money. And don't ask any questions. If they say they want welfare you better pay it to them. I worked for a pair of liberals for 5 years. Here is a couple of things they said. Welfare is good because that way I don't have to work with them. Bush fucked up so bad that the country went out and elected a nigger.
LF posters would deny you that right. Stone would insist government control what you do with your old TV.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
So then Obama has nothing to do with the unemployment rate. A bunch of people just spontaneously decide not to work.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
There's plenty of good paying jobs too, but the commute's a bitch.
Your brain is malfunctioning again. Obama supports these programs that are like magnets. When Republicans try to do the right thing and scale them back and cut them. The demon party screams you hate old people, while at the same time murdering little precious babies.
If taxes weren't so high. Then people would have more money.
I learned a lot about racism from people I went to college with; most of them were from Ohio. Why do you hate black people? Can I use this is a tagline?
I try to be nice to you folks. But that is something a complete nutcase would say. Why do you say such nonsense?
I didn't put it in quotes. But when I said this is what some liberals said that I used to work for. I thought that would be a clue. You hate black people. That is why you aren't voting for Herman Cain.
I certainly know people who don't like blacks.
Why do you say such nonsense? This is what you wrote So you wouldn't object to a bill that if someone gets government assistance those items would be seized to pay back the taxpayers? So government, not Fred, decides whether or not a poor person can have the TV Fred wants to give him. BTW, how is government going to find out the guy has a TV?
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
How do you know he's even running?
What I am saying is that we are pretty much broke as a nation. If people need assistance the means testing should be better. If you have a cell phone, a nice car, cable Tv, Big screen TV. My guess is that you shouldn't get government assistance. If you can afford those items and you are hungry. Sell them and buy some food. Why is is someone elses responsibility always. Why should the government know how much money the rich have? Aren't we supposed to be free from having out personal effects papers etc searched by the govt. The IRS tax code violates that provision of the constitution.
That's an easy one. He said he was and he is in the debates.
He said he was and he is in the debates. So have lots of others. If Ron Paul and Cain are both in the primaries I expect you to vote for the exbanker.
I voted Paul last primary. But Cain is superior to Paul on a couple of issues. Legalizing drugs. Gay Marriage. Abortion constitutional amendment. Paul is better on congressional authority for war. Federal reserve audit. I really wish Rand Paul would run. He would have a much better chance then Ron of winning the nomination.
What dimension determines a big screen? My dad gave me a good deal on a flat screen TV two years ago. It was one week old and it proved to be smaller than he desired. Plus, I won $750 at the track for once in my life during my visit.
He said he was and he is in the debates. So have lots of others. Are you saying he is a liar just because he is black? Just because Obama is a liar doesn't mean all blacks are liars.
If it is bigger than mine it is a big screen. So don't upgrade until I do. That way you will be safe.
I'll bet yours is bigger. The TV screen, that is.
I have a relatively small screen. 32 inch I believe. I'm going to get a bigger one soon. After I get a new computer, get more ahead on my bills, pay the kids school for next year and last payment this year, and rent a building. Then I'll be getting a bigger one.
Oh and build a deck.
My dad sold me a 26 inch one and he found the 32 inch one more desirable for that part of his home. He's got money and TVs all over the house.
Just because Obama is a liar doesn't mean all blacks are liars. I'm saying he's a politician and you really need to stop worshipping them.
Worhip. It is the democrats who worship Obama. He tells them it is ok to kill little kids. Lets put some money on Herman Cain being on the ballot. You name the amount.
Lets put some money on Herman Cain being on the ballot. You name the amount Send your bet to him, you can call it a tithe.
Obama isn't black, he's a Faux black!!!!
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
And yet you would have the government do just that to the man who happens at the moment to be poor and need help.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
You are for legalized theft. Why do people who covet other peoples money think they are entitled to it just because they are "poor"?
Why do you think you're entitled to the blessing of living in a country where you are able to provide for yourself and your family without paying your dues? The Bible says the poor are entitled to care and as a fortunate man of God you are obligated to give that care. If you extend your soul to the hungry And satisfy the afflicted soul, Then your light shall dawn in the darkness, And your darkness shall be as the noonday. The LORD will guide you continually, And satisfy your soul in drought, And strengthen your bones; You shall be like a watered garden, And like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. Isaiah 58:10,11 If you believed that, you wouldn't be so grumpy
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Because I owe no man anything.
Oh, crap. I'm going to bed now.
Then why does the government steal most of our money so that we can't help people as well as we would be able to?
Oh, crap. I'm going to bed now. You said you are going to church in the morning. When the Pastor or whoever opens up the Bible and starts reading. You really should get up and leave.
GFY...bible thumper.
Good morning Fred, how did you sleep?
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Because I owe no man anything. Spoken like the entitled.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
So you think being a free person is an entitlement? What a silly notion.
Most of your money? Taxes in the US are nowhere near as onerous as they were for Jews under Roman occupation and still Jesus says pay your taxes without commenting on the use government puts the money to. The New Testament makes clear that in addition to paying taxes, caring for the poor is still a personal responsibility.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
I think he's one of those 'sovereign citizens' who think that laws and New Testament teachings apply only to others.
Then he can't be a Christian either.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
I slept like a log. Apparently there were storms and thunder and lightning, but I sleep better when it rains. I even made it to church this morning. Our priest's last Mass before he moves to another parish. Our next priest is cousin to my beer drinking friend. It should be interesting.
Jesus didn't say pay your taxes. He said if you are Caesars then pay Caesar. Go back and reread what he said.
The government only steals most of the money of dumb schmucks like you. If you're rich like me you won't pay any income taxes at all (Thanks GWB, and thank you Stone for supporting my tax free lifestyle).
Are you a liar or are you stupid? The Rich pay most taxes.
Mark 12:13 Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words. 14 They came to him and said, “Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial tax[b] to Caesar or not? 15 Should we pay or shouldn’t we?” But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?” he asked. “Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” 16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?” “Caesar’s,” they replied. 17 Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” And they were amazed at him.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Like I said. Jesus didn't say pay taxes. He said give to Caesar what is Caesars. Are you Caesares?
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just keep telling yourself that, dumbshit.
Lucky you. Hmm - Does your new priest have to recuse himself where you're concerned?
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
I think you're missing the context.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Get your head out of Obamas stinky asshole. Then maybe you can wipe the shit off of your face. Then you can read the statistics about who pays what percentage of taxes. Fool.
The context is if you are Caesars property then give to Caesar.
The context, But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?” he asked. “Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” 16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?” clearly indicates Jesus is talking about the coin of the realm, not the person holding the coin.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Thank god for morons like you. The rich are so overtaxed they don't own multiple houses, private jets, luxury cars, or belong to multiple private golf courses. It's because of idiots like you that it's all possible. I thank you.
I asked him to bless my filly about 3 years ago while she was in his parish area in south central Kentucky. This was the St. Francis of Assisi thing for Catholics and their pets. He was 60 or 70 miles away and blew me off. My filly won a month or two later anyway.
If you are truly interested. Here learn this.
You are such a covetous bastard.
Who needs him then?
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
But I don't pay any income taxes. Isn't that what you were bitching about? It's tough being poor, isn't it?
Do you really think God blesses someones horse for a race?
I think one can ask.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
It wasn't for a race, it was for a good, healthy life. A K A Blockhead is such a Goldi.
That's what I thought.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
#2. To: CZ82 (#0)
America is falling deeper into debt. We're long past the point where drastic action is needed. We're near Greek levels of debt. What's going to happen?
#3. To: A K A Stone (#1)
There should be no federal income tax. It isn't needed. Cut unconstitutional spending and the budget will have a surplus.
#4. To: mininggold (#3)
#5. To: A K A Stone (#4)
Haven't you learned anything about me yet?
#6. To: Fred Mertz (#5)
#7. To: A K A Stone (#6)
#8. To: Fred Mertz (#7)
#9. To: A K A Stone (#4)
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What is your definition of rich?
#10. To: mininggold (#9)
#11. To: A K A Stone (#1)
Some morons were on here complaining the Rich don't pay enough taxes. What a load of shit. Especially when half don't pay anything.
#12. To: lucysmom (#11)
#13. To: A K A Stone (#10)
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You mean they are tired of paying taxes and lazy people getting the benefits of their work? Who would have guessed.
#14. To: mininggold (#9)
They only want the top tax brackets lowered as they want the middle class and poor to pay for it all.
#15. To: mininggold (#13)
#16. To: lucysmom (#14)
#17. To: lucysmom (#14)
No doubt they'd like to duplicate the French system, pre-revolution, the middle and lower classes paid all taxes while the upper crust spent the money.
#18. To: A K A Stone (#12)
The poorest people here have far more then "rich" people in any other age or nation.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#15)
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How does the military protect their business interests?
#20. To: lucysmom (#18)
Not many big screen TVs among the homeless.
#21. To: mininggold (#19)
How does the military protect their business interests?
#22. To: A K A Stone (#21)
Yeah Obama is ruining our reputation. China is making lots of deals.
#23. To: A K A Stone (#21)
#24. To: mininggold (#22)
#25. To: Wood_Chopper (#23)
#26. To: A K A Stone (#24)
I am curious to how your brain malfunctions. How do you get that I trust the Chinese after that statement? China is our enemy. We should put 1000 percent tariffs on all of their goods. That is for starters.
#27. To: mininggold (#26)
#28. To: mininggold (#17)
These types think they will be leading the revolution not realizing that when it comes they will be the ones revolted against.
#29. To: A K A Stone (#20)
How many welfare deadbeats have those items? Answer most.
#30. To: CZ82 (#0)
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Country 1. Tax Share of taxes of richest decile 2. Share of market income of richest decile 3. Ratio of tax to income shares for richest decile (1/2) United States 45.1 33.5 1.35 Australia 36.8 28.6 1.29 Netherlands 35.2 27.5 1.28 Ireland 39.1 30.9 1.26 Canada 35.8 29.3 1.22 Finland 32.3 26.9 1.2 United Kingdom 38.6 32.3 1.2 New Zealand 35.9 30.3 1.19 Italy 42.2 35.8 1.18 Czech Republic 34.3 29.4 1.17 Korea 27.4 23.4 1.17 Luxembourg 30.3 26.4 1.15 Slovak Republic 32 28 1.14 OECD-24 31.6 28.4 1.11 Austria 28.5 26.1 1.1 France 28 25.5 1.1 Germany 31.2 29.2 1.07 Denmark 26.2 25.7 1.02 Japan 28.5 28.1 1.01 Sweden 26.7 26.6 1 Norway 27.4 28.9 0.95 Belgium 25.4 27.1 0.94 Iceland 21.6 24 0.9 Switzerland 20.9 23.5 0.89 Poland 28.3 33.9 0.84
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#31. To: lucysmom (#11)
If you want more people to pay income taxes, then spread the wealth around so more people have income that rises to taxable levels.
#32. To: A K A Stone (#27)
You said our military makes it good for business.
#33. To: CZ82 (#31)
#34. To: jwpegler (#30)
#35. To: CZ82 (#31)
Wouldn't creating jobs for those people be a better solution????
#36. To: CZ82 (#31)
Give them the opportunity to be responsible for themselves and their families!!!! That might even create a little more honesty and integrity in this country, what a novel idea.....
#37. To: lucysmom (#34)
That is meaningless without discussing income distribution.
#38. To: lucysmom (#34)
That is meaningless without discussing income distribution.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#39. To: jwpegler (#38)
These are called facts
#40. To: mininggold (#32)
After we have destroyed most of their cultural history do we not pay our buisinesses to rebuild these countries in our own image afterward?
#41. To: A K A Stone (#39)
You might need to get the dictionary out for them and define facts.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#42. To: A K A Stone (#33)
Lucysmom thinks that the government should tell you what you get and how much. It shouldn't be a result of your hard work and planning.
#43. To: lucysmom (#42)
How many people have seen the fruits of their hard work and planning wiped out in the collapse the ponzi scheme orchestrated by the banksters?
#44. To: mininggold (#35)
Their jobs are being created in China.
#45. To: A K A Stone (#37)
So income shouldn't be earned. It should be distributed.
#46. To: A K A Stone (#43)
The biggest ponzi scheme in world history is social security. The government did it not the evil bankers.
#47. To: lucysmom (#45)
Income distribution, not redistribution.
#48. To: mininggold (#46)
Since the bankers are instrumental in creating all the depressions and panics we have had
#49. To: CZ82 (#0)
It shouldn't take a genius to understand why America's economy is in the toilet. Country Combined Central and Provisional Corporate Tax Rate Japan 39.5 United States 39.2 France 34.4 Belgium 34.0 Germany 30.2 Australia 30.0 Mexico 30.0 Spain 30.0 Luxembourg 28.8 New Zealand 28.0 Norway 28.0 Canada 27.6 Italy 27.5 Portugal 26.5 Sweden 26.3 Finland 26.0 United Kingdom 26.0 Austria 25.0 Denmark 25.0 Netherlands 25.0 Korea 24.2 Israel 24.0 Switzerland 21.2 Estonia 21.0 Chile 20.0 Greece 20.0 Iceland 20.0 Slovenia 20.0 Turkey 20.0 Czech Republic 19.0 Hungary 19.0 Poland 19.0 Slovak Republic 19.0 Ireland 12.5
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#50. To: A K A Stone (#33)
Lucysmom thinks that the government should tell you what you get and how much. It shouldn't be a result of your hard work and planning.
#51. To: jwpegler (#38)
Do you know how to read? Apparently not. So let me explain it to you.
#52. To: A K A Stone (#48)
I don't really like Banks. But they aren't responsible for everything wrong financially with us.
#53. To: mininggold (#52)
#54. To: jwpegler (#49)
#55. To: A K A Stone (#53)
I have an idea. How about looking out for yourself.
#56. To: CZ82 (#55)
#57. To: CZ82 (#54)
Well at least Japan is wising up, took them long enough though.... can't say the same thing for our current "regime", they will never learn.....
#58. To: mininggold (#57)
#59. To: A K A Stone (#56)
I look at them as sharks who want my money and charge me fees for everything. You can't even cash a check made out to you anymore without being fingerprinted and fee'd. Yeah I made up a word.
#60. To: CZ82 (#0)
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#61. To: A K A Stone (#58)
Bullshit. A third? Come on be real.
#62. To: mininggold (#59)
You don't trust your banker? I though you loved the rich.
#63. To: mininggold (#61)
#64. To: mininggold (#61)
It's already affecting the birth rate YOUR area.
#65. To: A K A Stone (#63)
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You came up with the number of 1/3. What do you base that on? I think it is your imagination.
#66. To: mininggold (#65)
#67. To: A K A Stone (#66)
So it is your imagination.
#68. To: mininggold (#67)
#69. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#65)
I just joined your prophecy club. But I bet it's a low ball number.
#70. To: lucysmom (#69)
#71. To: lucysmom (#69)
#72. To: lucysmom (#69)
I'm still waiting for him to provide proof that the poor have big screen TVs Xbox pS3s and cell phones purchased with government money.
#73. To: A K A Stone (#70)
Do you think it isn't true?
#74. To: mininggold (#72)
Only the rich deserve government subsidies.
#75. To: A K A Stone (#71)
So you wouldn't object to a bill that if someone gets government assistance those items would be seized to pay back the taxpayers?
#76. To: lucysmom (#73)
#77. To: lucysmom (#69)
I'm still waiting for him to provide proof that the poor have big screen TVs Xbox pS3s and cell phones
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#78. To: A K A Stone (#70)
I know people on welfare. I've been in some of their houses.
#79. To: lucysmom (#75)
So you wouldn't object to a bill that if someone gets government assistance those items would be seized to pay back the taxpayers?
#80. To: A K A Stone (#66)
You know what happens to false prophets right?
#81. To: mininggold (#78)
#82. To: jwpegler (#77)
#83. To: A K A Stone (#76)
Most people are on welfare because they are to fucking lazy to get a job.
#84. To: lucysmom (#83)
Then why blame Obama for the high unemployment rate?
#85. To: jwpegler (#77)
#86. To: A K A Stone (#79)
The bankers shouldn't get anything either. Let them go bankrupt, don't bail them out like Bush/Obama.
#87. To: lucysmom (#85)
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Were TVs, answering machines, phones, VCRs, CD players, etc. purchased retail or at garage sales and thrift stores.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#88. To: A K A Stone (#84)
Because he came to Ohio and like about NAFTA.
#89. To: lucysmom (#86)
The method you describe is fitting for totalitarian state.
#90. To: jwpegler (#87)
I suppose we should definitely outlaw thrift stores and garage sales because they exploit poor people. ROTLMAO.
#91. To: lucysmom (#85)
#92. To: lucysmom (#88)
So that's why lazy people don't work?
#93. To: Fred Mertz (#91)
When I upgraded my color televisions over the years - in fine working order - I gave them to those in need.
#94. To: A K A Stone (#89)
So people keeping what they earn is totalitarian? lol.
#95. To: lucysmom (#94)
No, government taking stuff away from poor people that the government decides the people are too poor to own.
#96. To: Fred Mertz (#91)
When I upgraded my color televisions over the years - in fine working order - I gave them to those in need.
#97. To: A K A Stone (#92)
They don't work because they are happy to suck the government tit.
#98. To: lucysmom (#97)
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So then Obama has nothing to do with the unemployment rate. A bunch of people just spontaneously decide not to work.
#99. To: lucysmom (#97)
So then Obama has nothing to do with the unemployment rate. A bunch of people just spontaneously decide not to work.
#100. To: mininggold (#98)
There's plenty of good paying jobs too, but the commute's a bitch.
#101. To: A K A Stone (#95)
Bush fucked up so bad that the country went out and elected a nigger.
#102. To: lucysmom (#96)
LF posters would deny you that right. Stone would insist government control what you do with your old TV.
#103. To: Fred Mertz (#101)
Why do you hate black people? Can I use this is a tagline?
#104. To: Fred Mertz (#101)
I learned a lot about racism from people I went to college with; most of them were from Ohio.
#105. To: A K A Stone, Fred Mertz (#102)
I try to be nice to you folks. But that is something a complete nutcase would say.
#106. To: A K A Stone (#103)
You hate black people. That is why you aren't voting for Herman Cain.
#107. To: lucysmom (#105)
#108. To: mininggold (#106)
How do you know he's even running?
#109. To: A K A Stone (#108)
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That's an easy one.
#110. To: mininggold (#109)
#111. To: A K A Stone (#107)
Big screen TV.
#112. To: mininggold (#109)
That's an easy one.
#113. To: Fred Mertz (#111)
#114. To: A K A Stone (#113)
#115. To: Fred Mertz (#114)
#116. To: All (#115)
#117. To: A K A Stone (#115)
I have a relatively small screen. 32 inch I believe.
#118. To: A K A Stone (#112)
Are you saying he is a liar just because he is black?
#119. To: mininggold (#118)
#120. To: A K A Stone (#119)
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Worhip. It is the democrats who worship Obama. He tells them it is ok to kill little kids.
#121. To: A K A Stone (#112)
Just because Obama is a liar doesn't mean all blacks are liars.
#122. To: A K A Stone (#107)
Aren't we supposed to be free from having out personal effects papers etc searched by the govt.
#123. To: lucysmom (#122)
And yet you would have the government do just that to the man who happens at the moment to be poor and need help.
#124. To: A K A Stone (#123)
You are for legalized theft. Why do people who covet other peoples money think they are entitled to it just because they are "poor"?
#125. To: lucysmom (#124)
Why do you think you're entitled to the blessing of living in a country where you are able to provide for yourself and your family without paying your dues?
#126. To: lucysmom (#124)
The Bible says...
#127. To: lucysmom (#124)
The Bible says the poor are
#128. To: Fred Mertz (#126)
The Bible says...
#129. To: A K A Stone (#128)
#130. To: Fred Mertz (#126)
Oh, crap. I'm going to bed now.
#131. To: A K A Stone (#125)
Why do you think you're entitled to the blessing of living in a country where you are able to provide for yourself and your family without paying your dues?
#132. To: lucysmom (#131)
Spoken like the entitled.
#133. To: A K A Stone (#127)
Then why does the government steal most of our money so that we can't help people as well as we would be able to?
#134. To: lucysmom, A K a Stone (#133)
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Taxes in the US are nowhere near as onerous as they were for Jews under Roman occupation and still Jesus says pay your taxes without commenting on the use government puts the money to. The New Testament makes clear that in addition to paying taxes, caring for the poor is still a personal responsibility.
#135. To: mininggold (#134)
I think he's one of those 'sovereign citizens' who think that laws and New Testament teachings apply only to others.
#136. To: lucysmom (#130)
Good morning Fred, how did you sleep?
#137. To: lucysmom (#133)
Taxes in the US are nowhere near as onerous as they were for Jews under Roman occupation and still Jesus says pay your taxes without commenting on the use government puts the money to. The New Testament makes clear that in addition to paying taxes, caring for the poor is still a personal responsibility.
#138. To: A K A Stone (#127)
Then why does the government steal most of our money so that we can't help people as well as we would be able to?
#139. To: Skip Intro (#138)
#140. To: A K A Stone (#137)
Go back and reread what he said.
#141. To: lucysmom (#140)
#142. To: A K A Stone (#139)
The Rich pay most taxes.
#143. To: Fred Mertz (#136)
I slept like a log. Apparently there were storms and thunder and lightning, but I sleep better when it rains.
#144. To: A K A Stone (#141)
Like I said. Jesus didn't say pay taxes. He said give to Caesar what is Caesars.
#145. To: Skip Intro (#142)
#146. To: lucysmom (#144)
#147. To: A K A Stone (#146)
The context is if you are Caesars property then give to Caesar.
#148. To: A K A Stone (#145)
#149. To: lucysmom (#143)
Hmm - Does your new priest have to recuse himself where you're concerned?
#150. To: lucysmom (#147)
#151. To: Skip Intro (#148)
#152. To: Fred Mertz (#149)
He was 60 or 70 miles away and blew me off. My filly won a month or two later anyway.
#153. To: A K A Stone (#151)
#154. To: lucysmom (#152)
#155. To: A K A Stone (#154)
#156. To: lucysmom (#155)
I think one can ask.
#157. To: Fred Mertz (#156)
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