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Title: GOP Can’t Handle The Truth: Taxes Are Lower Under Obama Than Reagan
Source: THINKPROGRESS
URL Source: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/20 ... /01/233526/taxes-lower-reagan/
Published: Jun 7, 2011
Author: Pat Garofalo
Post Date: 2011-06-07 20:35:51 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 9139
Comments: 18

President Obama met with House Republicans today at the White House to discuss ways to move forward on negotiations regarding the nation’s debt ceiling and the budget. During the discussion, talk evidently turned to taxes, and when Obama noted that taxes today are lower than they were under President Reagan, the GOP, according to The Hill, “engaged in a lot of ‘eye-rolling’“:

Republicans attending a White House meeting on Wednesday didn’t take kindly to President Obama telling them tax rates were higher during the Reagan administration. GOP members engaged in a lot of “eye-rolling,” according to a member who was on hand to hear Obama, who invited House Republicans to the White House for discussions on the debt ceiling. [...]

“[The President] made a comment like the tax rate is the lightest, even more than (under former President) Reagan,” Rep. Lee Terry (R-Neb.) told The Hill following the meeting. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) joked that during the meeting, “We learned we had the lowest tax rates in history … lower than Reagan!”

That House Republicans find this preposterous is symptomatic of the hold Reagan mythology has over them. After all, for seven of Reagan’s eight years in office, the top tax rate was higher than the current 35 percent. In six of those years, it was 50 percent or more. And every year that Regan was in office, the bottom tax bracket was higher than the current ten percent.

For a family of four, the “average income tax rate under Reagan in 1983 was 11.06 percent. Under Clinton in 1992, it was 9.18 percent. And under Obama in 2010, it was 4.68 percent.” During Reagan’s time, income tax revenue ranged from 7.8 to 9.4 percent of GDP. Last year, it was 6.2 percent and is not projected to climb back to 9 percent until 2016. In fact, in 2009, Americans paid their lowest taxes in 60 years.

Republicans are very fond of saying that the U.S. has “a spending problem, not a revenue problem.” But the truth is that revenue has plunged due to the recession and to continued misguided tax cuts, and revenue needs to be raised to eventually bring the budget into balance. And Reagan knew that taxes were an important part of the budget equation. After all, he “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two years.

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#3. To: Brian S, capitalist eric, go65 (#0) (Edited)

This is a false debate and I am really sick of it.

Democrats are screaming that tax revenues are low by historic standards, yet our rates are higher than the 1980s, when tax revenues were higher. Republicans are screaming that we have the highest corporate tax rates in the world, yet a whole bunch of politically connected companies pay very little to no taxes. On top of that half the people in the country don't pay any income tax (although they do pay payroll taxes).

The real problem is the tax system is so screwed up that no knows what the hell is going on.

We need a tax system that looks like it was purposefully designed.

Since WII, average tax collections were 18% of GDP. The top 1% paid an average of 25%.

So, let's eliminate the payroll tax, eliminate all deductions, and put a flax tax of 15% or so on the first $1 million in income and 25% on every dollar earned over $1 million.

This will solve all kinds of problems. It will raise the revenue needed to meet historic revenue levels, it will save the country hundreds of billions of dollars in tax preparation fees, and it will create an economic boom because we'll have a simple, low rate system which enables people to plan and take risks.

Obama's deficit commission proposed something just like this, but they didn't get rid of the payroll tax and they had a top tax rate of only 23%.

Unfortunately, Obama refused to provide leadership and endorse their program.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-06-07   22:14:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#4. To: jwpegler (#3)

So, let's eliminate the payroll tax, eliminate all deductions, and put a flax tax of 15% or so on the first $1 million in income and 25% on every dollar earned over $1 million.

Do states still get to run their own separate income tax systems?

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-07 22:16:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: jwpegler (#3)

...yet our rates are higher than the 1980s...

That's just not true.

...when tax revenues were higher.

Claiming that revenues were higher in the 1980's is like claming that Willie Shoemaker is taller than LeBron...

war  posted on  2011-06-08 09:04:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: jwpegler (#3)

This is a false debate and I am really sick of it.

Of course it is. But the ugly truth is the Leftwingers don't have much choice.

Seriously, what are they going to do? Be honest?

The economic policies failed. The so called 'stimulus' FAILED.

International policy? WHAT international policy?

The war in Afghanistan? Nope, lost more troops on Owe-bama's watch in less than three years than in seven under Bush.

Gitmo? lmao. Rendition? lmao.

So, we get this kind of bullshit, in place of reality from our leftwingnut friends. Expect it to continue through Owe-bama's termination for cause next year.

The only real question, just as it was under Carter at this point, was how much more damage this nation will suffer before we fire Owe-bama in a landslide.

Badeye  posted on  2011-06-08 10:02:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: jwpegler (#3)

yet our rates are higher than the 1980s

on what do you base this claim?

The real problem is the tax system is so screwed up that no knows what the hell is going on.

We need a tax system that looks like it was purposefully designed.

Since WII, average tax collections were 18% of GDP. The top 1% paid an average of 25%.

So, let's eliminate the payroll tax, eliminate all deductions, and put a flax tax of 15% or so on the first $1 million in income and 25% on every dollar earned over $1 million.

Sounds good, though I'd still rather see a consumption tax. I don't think income should be taxed.

go65  posted on  2011-06-08 11:01:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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