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Title: The U.S. corporate tax haven
Source: Real-World Economics Review Blog
URL Source: http://rwer.wordpress.com/2011/04/09/the-u-s-corporate-tax-haven/
Published: Apr 9, 2011
Author: David Ruccio
Post Date: 2011-06-04 09:41:06 by lucysmom
Keywords: coroperate serfs, American hostages, economic blackmail
Views: 28773
Comments: 44

When we think of corporate tax havens, we often think of offshore accounts. Well, think again: the United States has become a giant tax haven for corporations.

That’s what’s so crazy about the current call to lower corporate tax rates in the United Stats: they’re already (as graph below shows) paying a historically low percentage of federal tax revenues.

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The fact is, we’re being held hostage—by corporations and mainstream economists alike—to the idea that one tiny group in society has the right to appropriate most of the surplus and to decide when and where most jobs will be created. And, if it doesn’t get its way, it’ll deploy its capital elsewhere.

That’s why the United States has become a giant corporate tax haven. And, if things continue as they are, it’ll become an empty shell—just as empty as those offshore “headquarters” corporations have been using to avoid taxes on their profits.

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#1. To: Badeye, A K A Stone, hondo68, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mcgowanjm, Capitalist Eric, Mininggold (#0)

The fact is, we’re being held hostage—by corporations and mainstream economists alike—to the idea that one tiny group in society has the right to appropriate most of the surplus and to decide when and where most jobs will be created. And, if it doesn’t get its way, it’ll deploy its capital elsewhere.

The truth is American corporations have abandoned the American middle class.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-04   9:43:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: lucysmom (#1)

The truth is American corporations have abandoned the American middle class.

Actually, the truth is when you produce the 2nd highest corporate tax rate on the planet, combined with insane union demands on wages, corporations moved to more hospitable business climates.

And EVERYONE GETS SCREWED. Not just the middle class.

Course you are a liberal, so bullshit class warfare is like breathing to you.

Badeye  posted on  2011-06-04   9:59:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Badeye (#2)

Course you are a liberal, so bullshit class warfare is like breathing to you.

Did you follow the link and look at the graph?

Corporate taxes have been falling as a percent since the middle of the last century until they are now a small fraction of total tax collected.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-04   10:14:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: lucysmom (#3)

Corporate taxes have been falling as a percent since the middle of the last century until they are now a small fraction of total tax collected.

But but a corporation isn't a person. How can you tax a non person? ?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-04   10:16:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#4)

But but a corporation isn't a person. How can you tax a non person? ?

Get your story straight, Stone.

On the one hand you claim a corporation is a person with free speech rights to buy candidates and influence elections, but now you claim it isn't when it comes to paying taxes.

Even you should be able to spot the contradiction.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-04   10:32:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Skip Intro (#6)

Get your story straight, Stone.

On the one hand you claim a corporation is a person with free speech rights to buy candidates and influence elections, but now you claim it isn't when it comes to paying taxes.

Even you should be able to spot the contradiction.

So you're saying corporations shouldn't be taxed?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-05   9:14:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#15)

So you're saying corporations shouldn't be taxed?

That's what you said, Stone.

"But but a corporation isn't a person. How can you tax a non person? ? "

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-05   11:10:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Skip Intro (#18)

So what is your postilion on the two issues that we are discussing?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-05   12:23:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone (#24)

So what is your postilion on the two issues that we are discussing?

What positions, the ones where you say a corporation is a person for speech purposes but not one for tax purposes?

I say you're confused. Corporations are required to pay taxes, there's nothing new there. What is new is the SC declaring that corporations are also just like the little people and are free to spend millions of dollars buying influence from politicians. That doesn't bode well for representative government, since government will always go to the highest bidder, and that isn't going to be you or me.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-05   12:32:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Skip Intro (#25)

For the third time. What is your position on the two issues?

Are you afraid to say. It looks that way.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-05   12:50:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#26)

For the third time. What is your position on the two issues?

Corporations pay taxes, like all business, except churches, do. Corporations are not people and should not have the same rights as people.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-05   13:27:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Skip Intro (#27)

Corporations pay taxes, like all business

Wrong. Corporations act as a 'pass thru' for customers who pay the taxes in full, because the price for a product or service is in effect marked up by the corporation or business to cover the tax.

Only those that don't understand how this economy, and taxation, works, think 'corporations' and 'businesses' pay taxes, skippy. I'm not surprised you are one of them.

Badeye  posted on  2011-06-06   10:02:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Badeye (#39)

Wrong. Corporations act as a 'pass thru' for customers who pay the taxes in full, because the price for a product or service is in effect marked up by the corporation or business to cover the tax.

Because business income taxes are a percentage of profits, what you have left over after expenses are subtracted, it would be difficult to predict with accuracy at the front end what your taxes will be in order to add them to the price of a product or service. Further, if you increase the cost of a product or service to include expected tax, you also increase your profit and thus your tax owed.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-06   11:06:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: lucysmom (#40) (Edited)

Does this mean that GE is going to retroactively reduce prices because it overpaid its taxes in 2009?

It's an argument that doesn't hold water. While tax margins are built into pricing it's nowhere near a 1-1 relationship that would justify characterizing it as a "pass-thru".

war  posted on  2011-06-06   11:31:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#42. To: war (#41)

Does this mean that GE is going to retroactively reduce prices because it overpaid its taxes in 2009?

Seems to me refunds would be the right thing to do.

While tax margins are built into pricing it's nowhere near a 1-1 relationship that would justify characterizing it as a "pass-thru".

I met a conservative once that claimed business paid ALL taxes because business is the source of ALL income.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-06 11:40:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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