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Title: Krugman's Rightful Victory Lap - Mone Too...
Source: The NY Times
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/03/opinion/03krugman.html?_r=1
Published: Jun 3, 2011
Author: Paul Krugman
Post Date: 2011-06-03 12:10:35 by war
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Views: 140898
Comments: 159

Earlier this week, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York published a blog post about the “mistake of 1937,” the premature fiscal and monetary pullback that aborted an ongoing economic recovery and prolonged the Great Depression. As Gauti Eggertsson, the post’s author (with whom I have done research) points out, economic conditions today — with output growing, some prices rising, but unemployment still very high — bear a strong resemblance to those in 1936-37. So are modern policy makers going to make the same mistake?

Mr. Eggertsson says no, that economists now know better. But I disagree. In fact, in important ways we have already repeated the mistake of 1937. Call it the mistake of 2010: a “pivot” away from jobs to other concerns, whose wrongheadedness has been highlighted by recent economic data.

To be sure, things could be worse — and there’s a strong chance that they will, indeed, get worse.

Back when the original 2009 Obama stimulus was enacted, some of us warned that it was both too small and too short-lived. In particular, the effects of the stimulus would start fading out in 2010 — and given the fact that financial crises are usually followed by prolonged slumps, it was unlikely that the economy would have a vigorous self-sustaining recovery under way by then.

By the beginning of 2010, it was already obvious that these concerns had been justified. Yet somehow an overwhelming consensus emerged among policy makers and pundits that nothing more should be done to create jobs, that, on the contrary, there should be a turn toward fiscal austerity.

This consensus was fed by scare stories about an imminent loss of market confidence in U.S. debt. Every uptick in interest rates was interpreted as a sign that the “bond vigilantes” were on the attack, and this interpretation was often reported as a fact, not as a dubious hypothesis.

For example, in March 2010, The Wall Street Journal published an article titled “Debt Fears Send Rates Up,” reporting that long-term U.S. interest rates had risen and asserting — without offering any evidence — that this rise, to about 3.9 percent, reflected concerns about the budget deficit. In reality, it probably reflected several months of decent jobs numbers, which temporarily raised optimism about recovery.

But never mind. Somehow it became conventional wisdom that the deficit, not unemployment, was Public Enemy No. 1 — a conventional wisdom both reflected in and reinforced by a dramatic shift in news coverage away from unemployment and toward deficit concerns. Job creation effectively dropped off the agenda.

So, here we are, in the middle of 2011. How are things going?

Well, the bond vigilantes continue to exist only in the deficit hawks’ imagination. Long-term interest rates have fluctuated with optimism or pessimism about the economy; a recent spate of bad news has sent them down to about 3 percent, not far from historic lows.

And the news has, indeed, been bad. As the stimulus has faded out, so have hopes of strong economic recovery. Yes, there has been some job creation — but at a pace barely keeping up with population growth. The percentage of American adults with jobs, which plunged between 2007 and 2009, has barely budged since then. And the latest numbers suggest that even this modest, inadequate job growth is sputtering out.

So, as I said, we have already repeated a version of the mistake of 1937, withdrawing fiscal support much too early and perpetuating high unemployment.

Yet worse things may soon happen.

On the fiscal side, Republicans are demanding immediate spending cuts as the price of raising the debt limit and avoiding a U.S. default. If this blackmail succeeds, it will put a further drag on an already weak economy.

Meanwhile, a loud chorus is demanding that the Fed and its counterparts abroad raise interest rates to head off an alleged inflationary threat. As the New York Fed article points out, the rise in consumer price inflation over the past few months — which is already showing signs of tailing off — reflected temporary factors, and underlying inflation remains low. And smart economists like Mr. Eggerstsson understand this. But the European Central Bank is already raising rates, and the Fed is under pressure to do the same. Further attempts to help the economy expand seem out of the question.

So the mistake of 2010 may yet be followed by an even bigger mistake. Even if that doesn’t happen, however, the fact is that the policy response to the crisis was and remains vastly inadequate.

Those who refuse to learn from history are condemned to repeat it; we did, and we are. What we’re experiencing may not be a full replay of the Great Depression, but that’s little consolation for the millions of American families suffering from a slump that just goes on and on.

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#8. To: war (#0)

More ca ca from the NY Times...... aint that a surprise.....

CZ82  posted on  2011-06-03   18:00:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: CZ82 (#8)

Krugman is an editorial page contributor to the Times. He's syndicated and published elsewhere.

In other words, take your Sean Hannity talking point and stick it.

war  posted on  2011-06-03   18:42:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: war (#10)

Krugman is an editorial page contributor to the Times. He's syndicated and published elsewhere

And is that supposed to impress me into believing what he says..... not....

CZ82  posted on  2011-06-03   18:51:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: CZ82 (#11)

Of course, you can't cite a cogent reason WHY you don't believe him - even though what he predicted 2 years ago has come true.

war  posted on  2011-06-03   19:10:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: war (#13) (Edited)

Of course, you can't cite a cogent reason WHY you don't believe him

Keynesian economics 101:

Wages are "sticky" downwards. In a recession, people won't voluntarily take wage cuts to clear the market price for labor so that businesses will start hiring again. So, people have to be fooled into taking a pay cut through inflation. Prices go up, wages stay the same -- a pay cut has occurred. The market price clears and businesses start hiring again.

That's Keynesian economics in a nutshell.

Two problems:

1.) This model stopped working in the 1970s because people started expecting inflation and demanded automatic cost of living increases in their union contracts, etc.

2.) The government owes a tremendous debt to foreign countries. Creating inflation to lower real wages in the U.S. also lowers the value of the debt held by foreigners, which makes it harder for the government to borrow more money.

There are many more problems with Keynesian economics today than these, but this basically why it doesn't work anymore.

There's an old adage that is very instructive here: You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. The people stopped being fooled by the Keynesian inflation scam in the 1970s.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-06-03   19:29:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: jwpegler (#18)

There are many more problems with Keynesian economics today than these, but this basically why it doesn't work anymore.

Almost everyone I know took a pay cut in 2008.

Keynesian approaches have never really been applied to this recession. The stimulus only spent about $300 billion on infrastructure, the rest went to tax cuts and aid to states. Now that state aid is done we're seeing big cuts in state spending and big cuts in state employment (the latest report showed another decline of 30,000 government workers.

So what we've got now is that we just had "historic" federal spending cuts, earlier this year we passed another round of tax cuts. Governments across the U.S. are shrinking.

And guess what, job growth is anemic.

So the GOP answer is "more" spending cuts and tax cuts, right?

go65  posted on  2011-06-03   22:46:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: go65 (#23) (Edited)

The stimulus only spent about $300 billion on infrastructure

No. $60 billion on infrastructure out of nearly $800 billion. The rest went to prop up state government bureaucrats, who are now inevitably losing their jobs.

In other words, Obama's "stimulus" postponed the recession for one year.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-06-05   23:52:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: jwpegler (#143)

No. $60 billion on infrastructure out of nearly $800 billion. The rest went to prop up state government bureaucrats, who are now inevitably losing their jobs.

that's not accurate. See:

http://www.propublica.org/special/the-stimulus-plan-a-detailed-list-of-spending

nearly $100 billion went to transportation and infrastructure. Another $13 billion went to various government iT projects. $20 billion went to healthcare infrastructure, research, and grants. $41 billion went to energy infrastructure. $58 billion went to state/local, and some of that went into infrastructure.

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