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Title: Krugman's Rightful Victory Lap - Mone Too...
Source: The NY Times
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/03/opinion/03krugman.html?_r=1
Published: Jun 3, 2011
Author: Paul Krugman
Post Date: 2011-06-03 12:10:35 by war
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Comments: 159

Earlier this week, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York published a blog post about the “mistake of 1937,” the premature fiscal and monetary pullback that aborted an ongoing economic recovery and prolonged the Great Depression. As Gauti Eggertsson, the post’s author (with whom I have done research) points out, economic conditions today — with output growing, some prices rising, but unemployment still very high — bear a strong resemblance to those in 1936-37. So are modern policy makers going to make the same mistake?

Mr. Eggertsson says no, that economists now know better. But I disagree. In fact, in important ways we have already repeated the mistake of 1937. Call it the mistake of 2010: a “pivot” away from jobs to other concerns, whose wrongheadedness has been highlighted by recent economic data.

To be sure, things could be worse — and there’s a strong chance that they will, indeed, get worse.

Back when the original 2009 Obama stimulus was enacted, some of us warned that it was both too small and too short-lived. In particular, the effects of the stimulus would start fading out in 2010 — and given the fact that financial crises are usually followed by prolonged slumps, it was unlikely that the economy would have a vigorous self-sustaining recovery under way by then.

By the beginning of 2010, it was already obvious that these concerns had been justified. Yet somehow an overwhelming consensus emerged among policy makers and pundits that nothing more should be done to create jobs, that, on the contrary, there should be a turn toward fiscal austerity.

This consensus was fed by scare stories about an imminent loss of market confidence in U.S. debt. Every uptick in interest rates was interpreted as a sign that the “bond vigilantes” were on the attack, and this interpretation was often reported as a fact, not as a dubious hypothesis.

For example, in March 2010, The Wall Street Journal published an article titled “Debt Fears Send Rates Up,” reporting that long-term U.S. interest rates had risen and asserting — without offering any evidence — that this rise, to about 3.9 percent, reflected concerns about the budget deficit. In reality, it probably reflected several months of decent jobs numbers, which temporarily raised optimism about recovery.

But never mind. Somehow it became conventional wisdom that the deficit, not unemployment, was Public Enemy No. 1 — a conventional wisdom both reflected in and reinforced by a dramatic shift in news coverage away from unemployment and toward deficit concerns. Job creation effectively dropped off the agenda.

So, here we are, in the middle of 2011. How are things going?

Well, the bond vigilantes continue to exist only in the deficit hawks’ imagination. Long-term interest rates have fluctuated with optimism or pessimism about the economy; a recent spate of bad news has sent them down to about 3 percent, not far from historic lows.

And the news has, indeed, been bad. As the stimulus has faded out, so have hopes of strong economic recovery. Yes, there has been some job creation — but at a pace barely keeping up with population growth. The percentage of American adults with jobs, which plunged between 2007 and 2009, has barely budged since then. And the latest numbers suggest that even this modest, inadequate job growth is sputtering out.

So, as I said, we have already repeated a version of the mistake of 1937, withdrawing fiscal support much too early and perpetuating high unemployment.

Yet worse things may soon happen.

On the fiscal side, Republicans are demanding immediate spending cuts as the price of raising the debt limit and avoiding a U.S. default. If this blackmail succeeds, it will put a further drag on an already weak economy.

Meanwhile, a loud chorus is demanding that the Fed and its counterparts abroad raise interest rates to head off an alleged inflationary threat. As the New York Fed article points out, the rise in consumer price inflation over the past few months — which is already showing signs of tailing off — reflected temporary factors, and underlying inflation remains low. And smart economists like Mr. Eggerstsson understand this. But the European Central Bank is already raising rates, and the Fed is under pressure to do the same. Further attempts to help the economy expand seem out of the question.

So the mistake of 2010 may yet be followed by an even bigger mistake. Even if that doesn’t happen, however, the fact is that the policy response to the crisis was and remains vastly inadequate.

Those who refuse to learn from history are condemned to repeat it; we did, and we are. What we’re experiencing may not be a full replay of the Great Depression, but that’s little consolation for the millions of American families suffering from a slump that just goes on and on.

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#12. To: war (#0)

America was a closed economy in the 1930s and the government didn't owe trillions of dollars in debt to foreign countries.

The Keynesian idiots whose heads are stuck in the 1930s just don't understand that the world has changed.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-06-03   19:09:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: jwpegler (#12) (Edited)

The Keynesian idiots whose heads are stuck in the 1930s just don't understand that the world has changed.

Do you believe that monetary flows are more efficient or less efficient now?

If you say "less" you're more stupid than I have previously pointed out.

Do you believe that it MATTERS who holds the debt?

war  posted on  2011-06-03   19:11:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: war (#14)

Do you believe that monetary flows are more efficient or less efficient now? If you say "less" you're more stupid than I have previously pointed out.

Take a look in the mirror, if you want to see what stupid REALLY looks like.

It has been empirically proven- MANY TIMES- that more government interference in the market-place results in greater inefficiencies. Just look at Soviet Union, for a real-world example of a fully government-managed economy, and its results.

Don't throw China into that mix, though- their economy is capitalistic, with a Communist government.

Intermediate macroeconomics would have explained this to you, but it is abundantly clear that you don't understand basic econ, much less the intermediate or advanced levels.

Oh, BTW, you never addressed my point- NO country or empire has ever propelled itself to lasting prosperity, by devaluing its own currency. (What we now call "quantitative easing.")

Check-mate. :)

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-06-04   1:09:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Capitalist Eric (#27)

Oh, BTW, you never addressed my point- NO country or empire has ever propelled itself to lasting prosperity, by devaluing its own currency. (What we now call "quantitative easing.")

Putting aide the aphoristic qualities of that statement, the goal of quantitative easing is not to devalue the currency but to fund an available capital pool.

And if you want to see a currency devalue, watch what happens when the EU meltsdown.

war  posted on  2011-06-04   7:27:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: war (#36)

Capitalist Eric: Oh, BTW, you never addressed my point- NO country or empire has ever propelled itself to lasting prosperity, by devaluing its own currency. (What we now call "quantitative easing.")

Mental Midget DwarF: Putting aide the aphoristic qualities of that statement, the goal of quantitative easing is not to devalue the currency but to fund an available capital pool.

Translation: The goal of QE is not to devalue money, but to print as much as we need to spend.

Of course, this devalues the money.

Thanks for playing, you pathetic moron.

Check-mate.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-06-04   14:06:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Capitalist Eric (#113) (Edited)

The goal of QE is not to devalue money, but to print as much as we need to spend.

The goal of QE2 is to make sure that an adequate pool of capital is available to fund business lending. The last recession was caused, in part, by a virtually unregulated market "creating" money because the Fed had refused to. When the "market" itself took on the role of "banker" and began assessing counter party risk, the game was over.

Of course, this devalues the money.

Of course, that's absolute nonsense. What actually "devalues" money is when the relative level of production is unable to meet the demand for what is produced. IN other words, a currency is devalued when, systemically, it requires ever increasing amounts of dollars to purchase the same amount of goods.

war  posted on  2011-06-04   15:32:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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