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Title: Budget Cuts Force Calif. Police And Firemen To Watch Man Drown
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URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2 ... -man-drown-due-to-budget-cuts/
Published: Jun 1, 2011
Author: Stephen C. Webster
Post Date: 2011-06-01 15:54:24 by Brian S
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Views: 150421
Comments: 179
Police and firemen in Alameda, California watched a man drown on Monday after realizing they did not have proper certifications for water rescue, leaving them open to possible lawsuits if they attempted to save him. The drowning victim, 53-year-old Raymond Zack, was apparently suicidal, according to a report from the scene. He waded out about 150 yards into cold waters off Crown Beach in Alameda and took about an hour to drown himself. A crowd of about 75 gathered to watch the bizarre scene, which saw police and firemen just standing at shoreline watching helplessly. After the man had drowned, authorities couldn’t even go into the surf to retrieve the body. They instead recruited a passer-by for the job. City officials reportedly blamed the incident on budget cuts and said they would have a discussion about why Alameda, an island city, does not have proper authorization to rescue people from the waters surrounding it. This video is from ABC 7 in San Francisco, Calif., broadcast May 30, 2011.
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#140. To: jwpegler (#138)
You gonna read Atlas Shrugged or not.
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
I made sure I'm not in that situation... I took life by the horns and did what I needed to do to be responsible for myself and my family. If others can't do the same than oh well.... There is an old saying "You make your own bed and you sleep in it".....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
The name of the thread----- "Budget Cuts Force Calif. Police And Firemen To Watch Man Drown"
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Some people have integrity and some don't...... People that want something for nothing don't have any!!!!!!!!!!!
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
This is a debate forum. There is some name calling that happens. But you need to quit calling her that name. No she didn't pm and tell on you again. I happened across it. When lurkers find this place here and they see people using language like that repeatedly. Many of them will hit the back button and never come back again. I know I've called people names before too. That is why I'm not threatening to ban anyone. She manages to get under your skin quite well without resorting to calling you a name like that. You can do the same thing.
A government run system created by an academic with no experience in Business? Sounds like Obamacare, right?
"Thats because your basically and idiot." The Singapore government MANDATES that everyone have health care coverage AND it guarantees that a payment, private, public or a combination of both, will be made to ALL providers. All "private" health care providers cannot reject an applicant and it cannot deny a treatment. Peggy always glosses over those facts.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." All "private" health care providers cannot reject an applicant and it cannot deny a treatment. Peggy always glosses over those facts. Yep
"Thats because your basically and idiot." Singapore mandates that everyone save for their own healthcare. You get to SHOP for your own insurance out of your savings. Government doesn't own you insurance. Employers don't own your insurance. YOU own your own insurance. THIS IS THE KEY to their success. They provide a tiny savings subsidy for low income people, who also get to SHOP for their own insurance. Philosophically, I would prefer no government mandates at all, but given where we are I would support the Singapore system in the U.S. 100%. Let me inform you about Singapore and the rest of Asia. You are expected to take care of yourself. If you can't take care of yourself, your family is expected to take care of you. If don't have a family, then the government might provide you a tiny subsidy, depending on the specific country. In Asia, "family" means extended family and close friends of the family, just like southern Europe. We've lost this entire idea of family in America and Europe. That is precisely the problem. It wasn't by accident. The government has purposefully taken over more and more family responsibilities over the last 100 years. This is why things are so screwed up in Europe and America. It has to change.
No, I don't have time. Libertysflame, my blog, and my daily Google / Bing (on a dozen or so subjects) are my only distractions from my business and family. I used to read 3 to 4 books a months. Now I Google and Bing to get the information I need.
Not at all, and that's what she's incapable of understanding. I even laid it out for her in my post #130, and she's still too dense to understand. I, evidently, DO get "under her skin". OK. I'll call her "sweetheart" instead. But every time she sees me call her that, she'll know I mean "that name".
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
Dang, you're missing good one. I think the book explains CLEARLY what is going on today as if she were here right now. There are many areas where I do NOT agree with Rand, including her atheism (while I wholehearted agree with her position on organized religion). I don't see her as a deity. I liked the book. But I can tell you right now that accusing someone who recommends the book of thinking Rand a deity, is a tactic used by the collectivists to try to discredit the book, by attempting to brand that person as some type of "cultist". It is a book which exposes them, and their tactics, and they don't like that. It was odd to see you do that.
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
Nope. Singapore mandates coverage for all. Singapore mandates that all WORKERS have a % of their salary put aside into a health care savings account. Those unemployed, those below a certain level of income and pensioners are excluded from the "savings" mandate. Government doesn't own you insurance. Again, incorrect, Singapore most certainly has a two-tier system that includes a public option. Singapore also has a national system of catastrophic coverage. Singapore also heavily subsidizes hospitals.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." In Asia, "family" means extended family and close friends of the family, just like southern Europe. We've lost this entire idea of family in America and Europe. That is precisely the problem. It wasn't by accident. The government has purposefully taken over more and more family responsibilities over the last 100 years. This is why things are so screwed up in Europe and America. It has to change. You got that right.... and it wasn't that awful far in our past that family was an important thing..... When I was a little kid we used to have family reunions in Troy, Ohio once a year..... Everybody in the whole family would show up, right around 75 people... If somebody was of ill health or too old to drive then somebody would go pick them up and bring them. It was an all day event and everybody celebrated their birthdays on that day too.... Plenty of games, food, drink, gifts and "Especially family"...... Now... well I don't think there has been a reunion in the last 10 years......
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
We're not talking about giving Grandma a ride to the Piggledy Wiggledy... Have everyone pitch in for the $80K a year that it takes to keep Grandma in a nursing home and the average stay is 7 years.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Have everyone pitch in for the $80K a year that it takes to keep Grandma in a nursing home and the average stay is 7 years. Back then you took care of your family instead of putting them into nursing home hell.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
How'd that work out?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." How'd that work out? Usually the wifes and widows banded together and it worked out alright, the biggest thing was keeping them at home around family..... Back then families usually stayed closer together, nowadays well they are scattered from one coast to the other....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
You realize, you're talking to a nanny-state shill, right? He doesn't believe in passe' things like family, honor or duty. He believes Big Brother, and will happily turn your ass in, for 30 pieces of silver (or whatever passes for that, nowadays).
List of those unable to think: Bumper sticker on DwarF's car: I guess CZ82 and his ilk don't read Dickons or ever read up on the poor houses of the 1800s - or if they have they probably thought it was a good idea that needs reviving.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Health care accounts for nearly 20% of GDP. If per capita income is ~$45K and take home is ~$37K, there is absolutely no way that anyone could "chip in" the $80k a year needed to properly take care of an elderly person. We just tried to do it with my Mom with 4 of us and we lasted about 6MOS before we all realized that we were headed to bankruptcy. Both of you have absolutely no idea what it takes to administer to the infirm. In the "good old days" you threw them in a bed and kept them comfortable.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." And this is the government's fault how, exactly?
GOP Thought of the Day: Its becoming exceedingly clear the Owe-bama reelection campaign simply doesn't have anything to offer thats constructive. Average voters are seeing it, how can they miss it?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" We had poor houses in the US too, some were private charities, most were government run. Actually the rugged individualist model doesn't fit well with the extended, close family model. For instance, in China families were close and family members were responsible for each other; Maoism replaced government for family. That shift would be more difficult in a culture that taught personal responsibility and individualism.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Amen to that! Both my mother and father required care in the last years of their lives. For 4 years that was my life. It is impossible to do it without help and that help is expensive. Even with SS and Medicare the out of pocket expenses are considerable; without that, it would have been impossible.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
As an aside, I'm amazed that in the face of firing 10% or more of it's police force Sacramento can find the almost 400 million to finance a downtown stadium for the Maloof's and their losing basketball team.
Isn't the argument that stadiums bring income into the community?
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Both my mother and father required care in the last years of their lives. For 4 years that was my life. It is impossible to do it without help and that help is expensive. Even with SS and Medicare the out of pocket expenses are considerable; without that, it would have been impossible. My sibling and I just went through that, but mom wanted to die at home and got her wish. But only because we insisted that she remain ambulatory as condition of staying at home. We still needed outside help (thankfully she qualified for Hospice) due to her uncooperative episodes as like many she respected the opinions of strangers over her children, one of whom is a nurse. Now it's on with the estate stuff, and wouldn't you know it's the one heir who spent virtually no time or effort with her in the last year of her life who is throwing the monkey wrench.
The argument now is that with the decreased police force it will probably bring more crime to the downtown area. Plus the Maloofs had accepted the 75 million debt remaining on the Arco Arena site which they had plenty of time to pay down and didn't.
So does he believe in people being responsible for their own actions or is he nanny state too?????
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Because all life is precious and a gift from God I consider even the life of a person to be of value even if that person does not value their own life. It is clear you false conservatives are really social Darwinists.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Clearly, it never occurred to you that we're headed back that way, because nanny-state shills have spent us into oblivion. It's the natural result of socialism.
List of those unable to think: Bumper sticker on DwarF's car: I just wondered because I've never read any Dickens..... too dry....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
My mother wanted to be at home. She should have been on hospice but her doctor delayed until two days before she passed away. My dad choose to be in a board and care home after his stroke. Now it's on with the estate stuff, and wouldn't you know it's the one heir who spent virtually no time or effort with her in the last year of her life who is throwing the monkey wrench. My dad's lawyer, who somehow came into the picture after his stroke, is the problem.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Yes they are.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Dickens too dry?
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Dickens too dry? Compared to comic books or Penthouse he is......
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Explains why your politics is all tits and buffoons...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" It's actually titties and beer......
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Were that the case we'd be votomg the same line, Frank...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
#141. To: NewsJunky (#137)
Yep it does suck sometimes but if there is something we can do about it we should. I betcha if it was you in that situation you wouldn't be whining and complaining we don't need universal health care.
#142. To: NewsJunky (#136)
If you follow the thread you would see he was talking about getting the government out of health care.
#143. To: NewsJunky (#137)
"No no I would rather not see a doctor wouldn't want anyone else to help pay for it."
#144. To: Wood_Chopper (#116)
#145. To: jwpegler (#138)
Who invented Singapore's health care system? A professor at Texas A&M university, in the 1970s.
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#146. To: go65, jwpegler (#131)
--GW Bush
#147. To: war, jwpegler (#146)
The Singapore government MANDATES that everyone have health care coverage AND it guarantees that a payment, private, public or a combination of both, will be made to ALL providers.
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#148. To: war, go65, capitalist eric (#146)
(Edited)
The Singapore government MANDATES that everyone have health care coverage AND it guarantees that a payment, private, public or a combination of both, will be made to ALL providers.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#149. To: Wood_Chopper (#140)
You gonna read Atlas Shrugged or not.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#150. To: A K A Stone (#144)
(Edited)
She manages to get under your skin quite well without resorting to calling you a name like that.
But you need to quit calling her that name. When lurkers find this place here and they see people using language like that repeatedly. Many of them will hit the back button and never come back again.
#151. To: jwpegler (#149)
No, I don't have time.
#152. To: jwpegler (#148)
Singapore mandates that everyone save for their own healthcare.
--GW Bush
#153. To: jwpegler (#148)
You are expected to take care of yourself. If you can't take care of yourself, your family is expected to take care of you. If don't have a family, then the government might provide you a tiny subsidy, depending on the specific country.
#154. To: CZ82 (#153)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
#155. To: war (#154)
We're not talking about giving Grandma a ride to the Piggledy Wiggledy...
#156. To: CZ82 (#155)
Back then you took care of your family...
--GW Bush
#157. To: war (#156)
Back then you took care of your family...
#158. To: CZ82 (#157)
mcgowanjm, ferret mike, skippy, fartboy/yukko, white sands, bucky, lucys idiot mom, e_type_jackoff, go56, badlie, wreck, calCON, mininggold, war, Banjo Boris, Biff, Godwinson and meguro. If you're on the above list, you're too fucking stupid to hold a real conversation.
#159. To: CZ82, war, lucysmom (#157)
Usually the wifes and widows banded together and it worked out alright, the biggest thing was keeping them at home around family.....
#160. To: Capitalist Eric (#158)
--GW Bush
#161. To: CZ82 (#153)
You got that right.... and it wasn't that awful far in our past that family was an important thing..... When I was a little kid we used to have family reunions in Troy, Ohio once a year..... Everybody in the whole family would show up, right around 75 people... If somebody was of ill health or too old to drive then somebody would go pick them up and bring them. It was an all day event and everybody celebrated their birthdays on that day too.... Plenty of games, food, drink, gifts and "Especially family"...... Now... well I don't think there has been a reunion in the last 10 years......
#162. To: Godwinson (#159)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#163. To: Godwinson (#159)
I guess CZ82 and his ilk don't read Dickons or ever read up on the poor houses of the 1800s - or if they have they probably thought it was a good idea that needs reviving.
#164. To: war (#160)
We just tried to do it with my Mom with 4 of us and we lasted about 6MOS before we all realized that we were headed to bankruptcy. Both of you have absolutely no idea what it takes to administer to the infirm.
#165. To: lucysmom (#163)
We had poor houses in the US too, some were private charities, most were government run.
#166. To: mininggold (#165)
...Sacramento can find the almost 400 million to finance a downtown stadium...
#167. To: lucysmom (#164)
(Edited)
Amen to that!
#168. To: lucysmom (#166)
(Edited)
Isn't the argument that stadiums bring income into the community?
#169. To: Godwinson (#159)
I guess CZ82 and his ilk don't read Dickons or ever read up on the poor houses of the 1800s - or if they have they probably thought it was a good idea that needs reviving.
#170. To: CZ82 (#169)
So does he believe in people being responsible for their own actions or is he nanny state too?????
#171. To: Godwinson (#159)
I guess CZ82 and his ilk don't read Dickons or ever read up on the poor houses of the 1800s - or if they have they probably thought it was a good idea that needs reviving.
mcgowanjm, ferret mike, skippy, fartboy/yukko, white sands, bucky, lucys idiot mom, e_type_jackoff, go56, badlie, wreck, calCON, mininggold, war, Banjo Boris, Biff, Godwinson and meguro. If you're on the above list, you're too fucking stupid to hold a real conversation.
#172. To: Godwinson (#170)
#173. To: mininggold (#167)
My sibling and I just went through that, but mom wanted to die at home and got her wish. But only because we insisted that she remain ambulatory as condition of staying at home. We still needed outside help (thankfully she qualified for Hospice) due to her uncooperative episodes as like many she respected the opinions of strangers over her children, one of whom is a nurse.
#174. To: Godwinson (#170)
It is clear you false conservatives are really social Darwinists.
#175. To: CZ82 (#172)
I just wondered because I've never read any Dickens..... too dry....
#176. To: lucysmom (#175)
I just wondered because I've never read any Dickens..... too dry....
#177. To: CZ82 (#176)
Compared to comic books or Penthouse he is......
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#178. To: war (#177)
Explains why your politics is all tits and buffoons...
#179. To: CZ82 (#178)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
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