Police and firemen in Alameda, California watched a man drown on Monday after realizing they did not have proper certifications for water rescue, leaving them open to possible lawsuits if they attempted to save him.
The drowning victim, 53-year-old Raymond Zack, was apparently suicidal, according to a report from the scene. He waded out about 150 yards into cold waters off Crown Beach in Alameda and took about an hour to drown himself.
A crowd of about 75 gathered to watch the bizarre scene, which saw police and firemen just standing at shoreline watching helplessly. After the man had drowned, authorities couldnt even go into the surf to retrieve the body. They instead recruited a passer-by for the job.
City officials reportedly blamed the incident on budget cuts and said they would have a discussion about why Alameda, an island city, does not have proper authorization to rescue people from the waters surrounding it.
This video is from ABC 7 in San Francisco, Calif., broadcast May 30, 2011.
When you falsely accuse someone of being a certain way, don't be surprised when they act that way toward you, instead of shrinking back on the defensive.
You lose it all the time, you just don't like being reminded.
hat's the chance you take from the day you're born, life sucks sometimes....
Yep it does suck sometimes but if there is something we can do about it we should. I betcha if it was you in that situation you wouldn't be whining and complaining we don't need universal health care. "No no I would rather not see a doctor wouldn't want anyone else to help pay for it."
I've also repeatedly told your that your characterization of the Singapore system is completely incorrect.
I've been to Singapore many times. The American leftist interpretation is completely wrong.
There are more than two answers to any question and they found one that works really well.
Their solution has NOTHING to do with whatever you and other brain dead leftist could even conceive.
Who invented Singapore's health care system? A professor at Texas A&M university, in the 1970s.
Who invented the Japanese manufacturing method? An American who was rejected by the status quo, after WWII in the 1940s.
America has the smartest people on the entire earth. America also has the very dumbest government on the entire earth. The government cannot be trusted to do anything.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
Yep it does suck sometimes but if there is something we can do about it we should.
Hey DICK! You are FREE to give as much money of YOURS as you want to to help others. You are NOT FREE to STEAL the money of others for your wishes.
You are a common, ordinary thief. Nothing less.
I'll bet you have a big screen TV at home, when a smaller TV would have done just as well, and you could have given the difference to help some poor unfortunate soul with his health care, you hypocritical bastard!
I'll bet you drive a nice car, when you could have taken the bus and spent the difference to aid someone else, you selfish, self-serving PRICK!!
I'll bet you could do with a lot less food, or eat strictly rice and beans, and give the rest to others for their comfort, you greedy, self serving, not-give-a-shit-about-others, you heartless, uncaring, self-indulgent asshole!!
It's about time the producers of this country gave you a message: Go fuck yourself. And if you come for my money for your purposes, bring a gun. You'll need it, ya fucking thief.
Yep it does suck sometimes but if there is something we can do about it we should. I betcha if it was you in that situation you wouldn't be whining and complaining we don't need universal health care.
I made sure I'm not in that situation... I took life by the horns and did what I needed to do to be responsible for myself and my family. If others can't do the same than oh well....
There is an old saying "You make your own bed and you sleep in it".....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
If you follow the thread you would see he was talking about getting the government out of health care.
The name of the thread----- "Budget Cuts Force Calif. Police And Firemen To Watch Man Drown"
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
"No no I would rather not see a doctor wouldn't want anyone else to help pay for it."
Some people have integrity and some don't......
People that want something for nothing don't have any!!!!!!!!!!!
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
This is a debate forum. There is some name calling that happens. But you need to quit calling her that name. No she didn't pm and tell on you again. I happened across it.
When lurkers find this place here and they see people using language like that repeatedly. Many of them will hit the back button and never come back again.
I know I've called people names before too. That is why I'm not threatening to ban anyone.
She manages to get under your skin quite well without resorting to calling you a name like that. You can do the same thing.
The Singapore government MANDATES that everyone have health care coverage AND it guarantees that a payment, private, public or a combination of both, will be made to ALL providers.
All "private" health care providers cannot reject an applicant and it cannot deny a treatment.
Peggy always glosses over those facts.
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush
The Singapore government MANDATES that everyone have health care coverage AND it guarantees that a payment, private, public or a combination of both, will be made to ALL providers.
All "private" health care providers cannot reject an applicant and it cannot deny a treatment.
Peggy always glosses over those facts.
Yep
"Thats because your basically and idiot." Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#148. To: war, go65, capitalist eric (#146)(Edited)
The Singapore government MANDATES that everyone have health care coverage AND it guarantees that a payment, private, public or a combination of both, will be made to ALL providers.
Singapore mandates that everyone save for their own healthcare. You get to SHOP for your own insurance out of your savings. Government doesn't own you insurance. Employers don't own your insurance. YOU own your own insurance. THIS IS THE KEY to their success.
They provide a tiny savings subsidy for low income people, who also get to SHOP for their own insurance.
Philosophically, I would prefer no government mandates at all, but given where we are I would support the Singapore system in the U.S. 100%.
Let me inform you about Singapore and the rest of Asia.
You are expected to take care of yourself. If you can't take care of yourself, your family is expected to take care of you. If don't have a family, then the government might provide you a tiny subsidy, depending on the specific country.
In Asia, "family" means extended family and close friends of the family, just like southern Europe.
We've lost this entire idea of family in America and Europe. That is precisely the problem.
It wasn't by accident. The government has purposefully taken over more and more family responsibilities over the last 100 years. This is why things are so screwed up in Europe and America. It has to change.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
She manages to get under your skin quite well without resorting to calling you a name like that.
Not at all, and that's what she's incapable of understanding. I even laid it out for her in my post #130, and she's still too dense to understand.
I, evidently, DO get "under her skin".
But you need to quit calling her that name. When lurkers find this place here and they see people using language like that repeatedly. Many of them will hit the back button and never come back again.
OK. I'll call her "sweetheart" instead. But every time she sees me call her that, she'll know I mean "that name".
I think the book explains CLEARLY what is going on today as if she were here right now.
There are many areas where I do NOT agree with Rand, including her atheism (while I wholehearted agree with her position on organized religion).
I don't see her as a deity. I liked the book.
But I can tell you right now that accusing someone who recommends the book of thinking Rand a deity, is a tactic used by the collectivists to try to discredit the book, by attempting to brand that person as some type of "cultist".
It is a book which exposes them, and their tactics, and they don't like that.
Singapore mandates that everyone save for their own healthcare.
Nope. Singapore mandates coverage for all. Singapore mandates that all WORKERS have a % of their salary put aside into a health care savings account. Those unemployed, those below a certain level of income and pensioners are excluded from the "savings" mandate.
Government doesn't own you insurance.
Again, incorrect, Singapore most certainly has a two-tier system that includes a public option. Singapore also has a national system of catastrophic coverage. Singapore also heavily subsidizes hospitals.
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush
You are expected to take care of yourself. If you can't take care of yourself, your family is expected to take care of you. If don't have a family, then the government might provide you a tiny subsidy, depending on the specific country.
In Asia, "family" means extended family and close friends of the family, just like southern Europe.
We've lost this entire idea of family in America and Europe. That is precisely the problem.
It wasn't by accident. The government has purposefully taken over more and more family responsibilities over the last 100 years. This is why things are so screwed up in Europe and America. It has to change.
You got that right.... and it wasn't that awful far in our past that family was an important thing..... When I was a little kid we used to have family reunions in Troy, Ohio once a year..... Everybody in the whole family would show up, right around 75 people... If somebody was of ill health or too old to drive then somebody would go pick them up and bring them. It was an all day event and everybody celebrated their birthdays on that day too.... Plenty of games, food, drink, gifts and "Especially family"...... Now... well I don't think there has been a reunion in the last 10 years......
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
We're not talking about giving Grandma a ride to the Piggledy Wiggledy...
Have everyone pitch in for the $80K a year that it takes to keep Grandma in a nursing home and the average stay is 7 years.
Back then you took care of your family instead of putting them into nursing home hell.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Usually the wifes and widows banded together and it worked out alright, the biggest thing was keeping them at home around family.....
Back then families usually stayed closer together, nowadays well they are scattered from one coast to the other....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
You realize, you're talking to a nanny-state shill, right?
He doesn't believe in passe' things like family, honor or duty.
He believes Big Brother, and will happily turn your ass in, for 30 pieces of silver (or whatever passes for that, nowadays).
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Usually the wifes and widows banded together and it worked out alright, the biggest thing was keeping them at home around family.....
I guess CZ82 and his ilk don't read Dickons or ever read up on the poor houses of the 1800s - or if they have they probably thought it was a good idea that needs reviving.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Health care accounts for nearly 20% of GDP. If per capita income is ~$45K and take home is ~$37K, there is absolutely no way that anyone could "chip in" the $80k a year needed to properly take care of an elderly person.
We just tried to do it with my Mom with 4 of us and we lasted about 6MOS before we all realized that we were headed to bankruptcy. Both of you have absolutely no idea what it takes to administer to the infirm.
In the "good old days" you threw them in a bed and kept them comfortable.
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." --GW Bush
You got that right.... and it wasn't that awful far in our past that family was an important thing..... When I was a little kid we used to have family reunions in Troy, Ohio once a year..... Everybody in the whole family would show up, right around 75 people... If somebody was of ill health or too old to drive then somebody would go pick them up and bring them. It was an all day event and everybody celebrated their birthdays on that day too.... Plenty of games, food, drink, gifts and "Especially family"...... Now... well I don't think there has been a reunion in the last 10 years......
I guess CZ82 and his ilk don't read Dickons or ever read up on the poor houses of the 1800s - or if they have they probably thought it was a good idea that needs reviving.
We had poor houses in the US too, some were private charities, most were government run.
Actually the rugged individualist model doesn't fit well with the extended, close family model. For instance, in China families were close and family members were responsible for each other; Maoism replaced government for family. That shift would be more difficult in a culture that taught personal responsibility and individualism.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that childs born too. When we start debating a budget, lets make sure we dont cut 100,000 vaccines. Lets make sure weve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that babys born, oh no, we dont want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a womens uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
We just tried to do it with my Mom with 4 of us and we lasted about 6MOS before we all realized that we were headed to bankruptcy. Both of you have absolutely no idea what it takes to administer to the infirm.
Amen to that!
Both my mother and father required care in the last years of their lives. For 4 years that was my life. It is impossible to do it without help and that help is expensive. Even with SS and Medicare the out of pocket expenses are considerable; without that, it would have been impossible.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that childs born too. When we start debating a budget, lets make sure we dont cut 100,000 vaccines. Lets make sure weve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that babys born, oh no, we dont want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a womens uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
We had poor houses in the US too, some were private charities, most were government run.
As an aside, I'm amazed that in the face of firing 10% or more of it's police force Sacramento can find the almost 400 million to finance a downtown stadium for the Maloof's and their losing basketball team.
...Sacramento can find the almost 400 million to finance a downtown stadium...
Isn't the argument that stadiums bring income into the community?
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that childs born too. When we start debating a budget, lets make sure we dont cut 100,000 vaccines. Lets make sure weve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that babys born, oh no, we dont want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a womens uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Both my mother and father required care in the last years of their lives. For 4 years that was my life. It is impossible to do it without help and that help is expensive. Even with SS and Medicare the out of pocket expenses are considerable; without that, it would have been impossible.
My sibling and I just went through that, but mom wanted to die at home and got her wish. But only because we insisted that she remain ambulatory as condition of staying at home. We still needed outside help (thankfully she qualified for Hospice) due to her uncooperative episodes as like many she respected the opinions of strangers over her children, one of whom is a nurse.
Now it's on with the estate stuff, and wouldn't you know it's the one heir who spent virtually no time or effort with her in the last year of her life who is throwing the monkey wrench.
I guess CZ82 and his ilk don't read Dickons or ever read up on the poor houses of the 1800s - or if they have they probably thought it was a good idea that needs reviving.
So does he believe in people being responsible for their own actions or is he nanny state too?????
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
So does he believe in people being responsible for their own actions or is he nanny state too?????
Because all life is precious and a gift from God I consider even the life of a person to be of value even if that person does not value their own life. It is clear you false conservatives are really social Darwinists.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
I guess CZ82 and his ilk don't read Dickons or ever read up on the poor houses of the 1800s - or if they have they probably thought it was a good idea that needs reviving.
Clearly, it never occurred to you that we're headed back that way, because nanny-state shills have spent us into oblivion.
It's the natural result of socialism.
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