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Title: Budget Cuts Force Calif. Police And Firemen To Watch Man Drown
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Published: Jun 1, 2011
Author: Stephen C. Webster
Post Date: 2011-06-01 15:54:24 by Brian S
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Comments: 179
Police and firemen in Alameda, California watched a man drown on Monday after realizing they did not have proper certifications for water rescue, leaving them open to possible lawsuits if they attempted to save him. The drowning victim, 53-year-old Raymond Zack, was apparently suicidal, according to a report from the scene. He waded out about 150 yards into cold waters off Crown Beach in Alameda and took about an hour to drown himself. A crowd of about 75 gathered to watch the bizarre scene, which saw police and firemen just standing at shoreline watching helplessly. After the man had drowned, authorities couldn’t even go into the surf to retrieve the body. They instead recruited a passer-by for the job. City officials reportedly blamed the incident on budget cuts and said they would have a discussion about why Alameda, an island city, does not have proper authorization to rescue people from the waters surrounding it. This video is from ABC 7 in San Francisco, Calif., broadcast May 30, 2011.
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#126. To: NewsJunky (#123)
So..... A lot of people don't have any supplementary insurance and don't seem to mind or care.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
In amends, I'd like to state that I'm sure you have small and dainty feet. Women love to hear that. You do realize that small and dainty feet are an evolutionary development allowing women to stand closer to the kitchen sink, right? Know the difference between you and a battery? The battery has a positive side. If you were screaming at my front door and my dog were barking at my back door, I'd let the dog in first. At least he'd shut up once I let him in.
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
Women love to hear that. You do realize that small and dainty feet are an evolutionary development allowing women to stand closer to the kitchen sink, right? Know the difference between you and a battery? The battery has a positive side. If you were screaming at my front door and my dog were barking at my back door, I'd let the dog in first. At least he'd shut up once I let him in. You are too funny.
Yeah, wadda peach she is. Much like the southern woman who "complements" another by saying, "I'm amazed at how many seasons you can get out of a dress!"
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
Well, you finally snapped to what I was doing. When you falsely accuse someone of being a certain way, don't be surprised when they act that way toward you, instead of shrinking back on the defensive. You and lucysmom had a pretty good time fingering each other upthread ascribing attributes to me which I don't possess. Both of you need to grow up. When you lose an argument, you two turn to a gang-on personal attack, falsely accusing you opponent of things of which you expect him to shrink back, and go into defense mode. Ain't gonna work, sister.
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
Right, you have repeatedly proclaimed your support for a system that "uses a combination of compulsory savings from payroll deductions (funded by both employers and workers) a nationalized catastrophic health insurance plan, and government subsidies, as well as "actively regulating the supply and prices of healthcare services in the country" to keep costs in check;"
"Thats because your basically and idiot." When you falsely accuse someone of being a certain way, don't be surprised when they act that way toward you, instead of shrinking back on the defensive. You lose it all the time, you just don't like being reminded.
Blow me.
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
Know why men die sooner than their wives? Because they want to. Know why women don't fart? Because they can't shut their mouths long enough to build up the required pressure. Know what makes a woman have an orgasm? Who cares! Lemme know when you want to discuss topics and not hurl bullshit. Otherwise, go sit in the corner with that cunt lucysmom.
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
If you follow the thread you would see he was talking about getting the government out of health care.
Yep it does suck sometimes but if there is something we can do about it we should. I betcha if it was you in that situation you wouldn't be whining and complaining we don't need universal health care. "No no I would rather not see a doctor wouldn't want anyone else to help pay for it."
I've also repeatedly told your that your characterization of the Singapore system is completely incorrect. I've been to Singapore many times. The American leftist interpretation is completely wrong. There are more than two answers to any question and they found one that works really well. Their solution has NOTHING to do with whatever you and other brain dead leftist could even conceive. Who invented Singapore's health care system? A professor at Texas A&M university, in the 1970s. Who invented the Japanese manufacturing method? An American who was rejected by the status quo, after WWII in the 1940s. America has the smartest people on the entire earth. America also has the very dumbest government on the entire earth. The government cannot be trusted to do anything.
Hey DICK! You are FREE to give as much money of YOURS as you want to to help others. You are NOT FREE to STEAL the money of others for your wishes. You are a common, ordinary thief. Nothing less. I'll bet you have a big screen TV at home, when a smaller TV would have done just as well, and you could have given the difference to help some poor unfortunate soul with his health care, you hypocritical bastard! I'll bet you drive a nice car, when you could have taken the bus and spent the difference to aid someone else, you selfish, self-serving PRICK!! I'll bet you could do with a lot less food, or eat strictly rice and beans, and give the rest to others for their comfort, you greedy, self serving, not-give-a-shit-about-others, you heartless, uncaring, self-indulgent asshole!! It's about time the producers of this country gave you a message: Go fuck yourself. And if you come for my money for your purposes, bring a gun. You'll need it, ya fucking thief.
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
You gonna read Atlas Shrugged or not.
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
I made sure I'm not in that situation... I took life by the horns and did what I needed to do to be responsible for myself and my family. If others can't do the same than oh well.... There is an old saying "You make your own bed and you sleep in it".....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
The name of the thread----- "Budget Cuts Force Calif. Police And Firemen To Watch Man Drown"
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Some people have integrity and some don't...... People that want something for nothing don't have any!!!!!!!!!!!
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
This is a debate forum. There is some name calling that happens. But you need to quit calling her that name. No she didn't pm and tell on you again. I happened across it. When lurkers find this place here and they see people using language like that repeatedly. Many of them will hit the back button and never come back again. I know I've called people names before too. That is why I'm not threatening to ban anyone. She manages to get under your skin quite well without resorting to calling you a name like that. You can do the same thing.
A government run system created by an academic with no experience in Business? Sounds like Obamacare, right?
"Thats because your basically and idiot." The Singapore government MANDATES that everyone have health care coverage AND it guarantees that a payment, private, public or a combination of both, will be made to ALL providers. All "private" health care providers cannot reject an applicant and it cannot deny a treatment. Peggy always glosses over those facts.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." All "private" health care providers cannot reject an applicant and it cannot deny a treatment. Peggy always glosses over those facts. Yep
"Thats because your basically and idiot." Singapore mandates that everyone save for their own healthcare. You get to SHOP for your own insurance out of your savings. Government doesn't own you insurance. Employers don't own your insurance. YOU own your own insurance. THIS IS THE KEY to their success. They provide a tiny savings subsidy for low income people, who also get to SHOP for their own insurance. Philosophically, I would prefer no government mandates at all, but given where we are I would support the Singapore system in the U.S. 100%. Let me inform you about Singapore and the rest of Asia. You are expected to take care of yourself. If you can't take care of yourself, your family is expected to take care of you. If don't have a family, then the government might provide you a tiny subsidy, depending on the specific country. In Asia, "family" means extended family and close friends of the family, just like southern Europe. We've lost this entire idea of family in America and Europe. That is precisely the problem. It wasn't by accident. The government has purposefully taken over more and more family responsibilities over the last 100 years. This is why things are so screwed up in Europe and America. It has to change.
No, I don't have time. Libertysflame, my blog, and my daily Google / Bing (on a dozen or so subjects) are my only distractions from my business and family. I used to read 3 to 4 books a months. Now I Google and Bing to get the information I need.
Not at all, and that's what she's incapable of understanding. I even laid it out for her in my post #130, and she's still too dense to understand. I, evidently, DO get "under her skin". OK. I'll call her "sweetheart" instead. But every time she sees me call her that, she'll know I mean "that name".
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
Dang, you're missing good one. I think the book explains CLEARLY what is going on today as if she were here right now. There are many areas where I do NOT agree with Rand, including her atheism (while I wholehearted agree with her position on organized religion). I don't see her as a deity. I liked the book. But I can tell you right now that accusing someone who recommends the book of thinking Rand a deity, is a tactic used by the collectivists to try to discredit the book, by attempting to brand that person as some type of "cultist". It is a book which exposes them, and their tactics, and they don't like that. It was odd to see you do that.
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
Nope. Singapore mandates coverage for all. Singapore mandates that all WORKERS have a % of their salary put aside into a health care savings account. Those unemployed, those below a certain level of income and pensioners are excluded from the "savings" mandate. Government doesn't own you insurance. Again, incorrect, Singapore most certainly has a two-tier system that includes a public option. Singapore also has a national system of catastrophic coverage. Singapore also heavily subsidizes hospitals.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." In Asia, "family" means extended family and close friends of the family, just like southern Europe. We've lost this entire idea of family in America and Europe. That is precisely the problem. It wasn't by accident. The government has purposefully taken over more and more family responsibilities over the last 100 years. This is why things are so screwed up in Europe and America. It has to change. You got that right.... and it wasn't that awful far in our past that family was an important thing..... When I was a little kid we used to have family reunions in Troy, Ohio once a year..... Everybody in the whole family would show up, right around 75 people... If somebody was of ill health or too old to drive then somebody would go pick them up and bring them. It was an all day event and everybody celebrated their birthdays on that day too.... Plenty of games, food, drink, gifts and "Especially family"...... Now... well I don't think there has been a reunion in the last 10 years......
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
We're not talking about giving Grandma a ride to the Piggledy Wiggledy... Have everyone pitch in for the $80K a year that it takes to keep Grandma in a nursing home and the average stay is 7 years.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Have everyone pitch in for the $80K a year that it takes to keep Grandma in a nursing home and the average stay is 7 years. Back then you took care of your family instead of putting them into nursing home hell.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
How'd that work out?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." How'd that work out? Usually the wifes and widows banded together and it worked out alright, the biggest thing was keeping them at home around family..... Back then families usually stayed closer together, nowadays well they are scattered from one coast to the other....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
You realize, you're talking to a nanny-state shill, right? He doesn't believe in passe' things like family, honor or duty. He believes Big Brother, and will happily turn your ass in, for 30 pieces of silver (or whatever passes for that, nowadays).
List of those unable to think: Bumper sticker on DwarF's car: I guess CZ82 and his ilk don't read Dickons or ever read up on the poor houses of the 1800s - or if they have they probably thought it was a good idea that needs reviving.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Health care accounts for nearly 20% of GDP. If per capita income is ~$45K and take home is ~$37K, there is absolutely no way that anyone could "chip in" the $80k a year needed to properly take care of an elderly person. We just tried to do it with my Mom with 4 of us and we lasted about 6MOS before we all realized that we were headed to bankruptcy. Both of you have absolutely no idea what it takes to administer to the infirm. In the "good old days" you threw them in a bed and kept them comfortable.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." And this is the government's fault how, exactly?
GOP Thought of the Day: Its becoming exceedingly clear the Owe-bama reelection campaign simply doesn't have anything to offer thats constructive. Average voters are seeing it, how can they miss it?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" We had poor houses in the US too, some were private charities, most were government run. Actually the rugged individualist model doesn't fit well with the extended, close family model. For instance, in China families were close and family members were responsible for each other; Maoism replaced government for family. That shift would be more difficult in a culture that taught personal responsibility and individualism.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Amen to that! Both my mother and father required care in the last years of their lives. For 4 years that was my life. It is impossible to do it without help and that help is expensive. Even with SS and Medicare the out of pocket expenses are considerable; without that, it would have been impossible.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
As an aside, I'm amazed that in the face of firing 10% or more of it's police force Sacramento can find the almost 400 million to finance a downtown stadium for the Maloof's and their losing basketball team.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestBut if health care were like any other "service" it wouldn't matter if it were affordable or not. But unfortunately lacking it can mean life or death.
#127. To: mininggold (#122)
Thanks for proving my point.
#128. To: Wood_Chopper (#127)
In amends, I'd like to state that I'm sure you have small and dainty feet.
#129. To: war (#118)
I am telling you, she's a very nice lady,,,
#130. To: mininggold (#128)
You are too funny.
#131. To: jwpegler (#120)
I've told you by detailed opinion on this dozens of times before.
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#132. To: Wood_Chopper (#130)
Well, you finally snapped to what I was doing.
#133. To: mininggold (#132)
(Edited)
You lose it all the time, you just don't like being reminded.
#134. To: Wood_Chopper (#133)
Thanks for proving my point.
#135. To: mininggold (#134)
Thanks for proving my point.
#136. To: CZ82 (#125)
And so they don't have access to Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security????
#137. To: CZ82 (#124)
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hat's the chance you take from the day you're born, life sucks sometimes....
#138. To: go65 (#131)
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"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#139. To: NewsJunky (#137)
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Yep it does suck sometimes but if there is something we can do about it we should.
#140. To: jwpegler (#138)
#141. To: NewsJunky (#137)
Yep it does suck sometimes but if there is something we can do about it we should. I betcha if it was you in that situation you wouldn't be whining and complaining we don't need universal health care.
#142. To: NewsJunky (#136)
If you follow the thread you would see he was talking about getting the government out of health care.
#143. To: NewsJunky (#137)
"No no I would rather not see a doctor wouldn't want anyone else to help pay for it."
#144. To: Wood_Chopper (#116)
#145. To: jwpegler (#138)
Who invented Singapore's health care system? A professor at Texas A&M university, in the 1970s.
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#146. To: go65, jwpegler (#131)
--GW Bush
#147. To: war, jwpegler (#146)
The Singapore government MANDATES that everyone have health care coverage AND it guarantees that a payment, private, public or a combination of both, will be made to ALL providers.
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#148. To: war, go65, capitalist eric (#146)
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The Singapore government MANDATES that everyone have health care coverage AND it guarantees that a payment, private, public or a combination of both, will be made to ALL providers.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#149. To: Wood_Chopper (#140)
You gonna read Atlas Shrugged or not.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#150. To: A K A Stone (#144)
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She manages to get under your skin quite well without resorting to calling you a name like that.
But you need to quit calling her that name. When lurkers find this place here and they see people using language like that repeatedly. Many of them will hit the back button and never come back again.
#151. To: jwpegler (#149)
No, I don't have time.
#152. To: jwpegler (#148)
Singapore mandates that everyone save for their own healthcare.
--GW Bush
#153. To: jwpegler (#148)
You are expected to take care of yourself. If you can't take care of yourself, your family is expected to take care of you. If don't have a family, then the government might provide you a tiny subsidy, depending on the specific country.
#154. To: CZ82 (#153)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
#155. To: war (#154)
We're not talking about giving Grandma a ride to the Piggledy Wiggledy...
#156. To: CZ82 (#155)
Back then you took care of your family...
--GW Bush
#157. To: war (#156)
Back then you took care of your family...
#158. To: CZ82 (#157)
mcgowanjm, ferret mike, skippy, fartboy/yukko, white sands, bucky, lucys idiot mom, e_type_jackoff, go56, badlie, wreck, calCON, mininggold, war, Banjo Boris, Biff, Godwinson and meguro. If you're on the above list, you're too fucking stupid to hold a real conversation.
#159. To: CZ82, war, lucysmom (#157)
Usually the wifes and widows banded together and it worked out alright, the biggest thing was keeping them at home around family.....
#160. To: Capitalist Eric (#158)
--GW Bush
#161. To: CZ82 (#153)
You got that right.... and it wasn't that awful far in our past that family was an important thing..... When I was a little kid we used to have family reunions in Troy, Ohio once a year..... Everybody in the whole family would show up, right around 75 people... If somebody was of ill health or too old to drive then somebody would go pick them up and bring them. It was an all day event and everybody celebrated their birthdays on that day too.... Plenty of games, food, drink, gifts and "Especially family"...... Now... well I don't think there has been a reunion in the last 10 years......
#162. To: Godwinson (#159)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#163. To: Godwinson (#159)
I guess CZ82 and his ilk don't read Dickons or ever read up on the poor houses of the 1800s - or if they have they probably thought it was a good idea that needs reviving.
#164. To: war (#160)
We just tried to do it with my Mom with 4 of us and we lasted about 6MOS before we all realized that we were headed to bankruptcy. Both of you have absolutely no idea what it takes to administer to the infirm.
#165. To: lucysmom (#163)
We had poor houses in the US too, some were private charities, most were government run.
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