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Title: Budget Cuts Force Calif. Police And Firemen To Watch Man Drown
Source: RAWSTORY
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2 ... -man-drown-due-to-budget-cuts/
Published: Jun 1, 2011
Author: Stephen C. Webster
Post Date: 2011-06-01 15:54:24 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 150411
Comments: 179

Police and firemen in Alameda, California watched a man drown on Monday after realizing they did not have proper certifications for water rescue, leaving them open to possible lawsuits if they attempted to save him.

The drowning victim, 53-year-old Raymond Zack, was apparently suicidal, according to a report from the scene. He waded out about 150 yards into cold waters off Crown Beach in Alameda and took about an hour to drown himself.

A crowd of about 75 gathered to watch the bizarre scene, which saw police and firemen just standing at shoreline watching helplessly. After the man had drowned, authorities couldn’t even go into the surf to retrieve the body. They instead recruited a passer-by for the job.

City officials reportedly blamed the incident on budget cuts and said they would have a discussion about why Alameda, an island city, does not have proper authorization to rescue people from the waters surrounding it.

This video is from ABC 7 in San Francisco, Calif., broadcast May 30, 2011.

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#93. To: Wood_Chopper, A K A Stone (#91)

Fuck you!

I said "He wants to not have to pay for a service he's not using, you stupid cunt."

Any comment on that? Didn't think so.

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-03   1:39:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone (#93) (Edited)

Stone, lucy's a cunt.

She didn't call you in the first time (my post#83), but once I point out she's avoiding the question, all of a sudden she's insulted and calling you in.

She's a cunt alright.

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-03   1:44:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: jwpegler (#94)

THIS (#77 forward) is how you shut these fakes down.

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-03   1:57:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: jwpegler (#95) (Edited)

Never mind. Just found out you're as fake as they are.

Please, continue to pretend to be arguing with lucysmom and NewJunky.

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-03   2:14:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Wood_Chopper (#95)

THIS (#77 forward) is how you shut these fakes down.

Good. Now we know your interest isn't in adult debate but in using abusive language to shut down people you disagree with.

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-03   2:20:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: lucysmom (#97) (Edited)

Good. Now we know your interest isn't in adult debate but in using abusive language to shut down people you disagree with.

Adult debate? From YOU???

FUCK YOU!!!!

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-03   2:23:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone (#97) (Edited)

See Stone? Even though she's SO insulted and horrified by me that she has to ping you, she's still posting to me.

She's a cunt, and evidently is into degradation. So basically, she wasn't pinging you to complain, but pinged you so you could watch her degradation.

She evidently gets off on people watching it.

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-03   2:28:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Wood_Chopper, Lucysmom (#91)

No need to cally LM the C word. You may disagree with her, but I don't ever recall her calling her political opponents names like that.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-03   6:48:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: jwpegler (#53)

The city of South Fulton, Tennessee offers residents of nearby areas the protection of its fire department for $75 a year...

CITY = government

Yea so? Is it your claim that a PRIVATE company would have put the fire out for free?

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-06-03   8:24:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Wood_Chopper (#99)

She's a cunt, and evidently is into degradation.

Easy there...she's a very nice l;ady who likes ghost stories.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-06-03   8:24:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: war (#102)

Easy there...she's a very nice l;ady who likes ghost stories.

Thank you.

Until this morning MD was the only name in my bozo filter.

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-03   9:47:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: NewsJunky (#81) (Edited)

magically with the wave of a "free" market hand

There is no magic about it. The overwhelming majority of people do whatever is needed to take care of themselves and their families. It's human nature. It is what enabled us as a species to crawl out of the caves, invent tools, and move ahead with our cars, planes, televisions, computers, iPhones and more. That's the bottom line.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-06-03   10:59:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Wood_Chopper (#83)

He wants to not have to pay for a service he's not using, you stupid cunt.

ROTFLMAO!!!


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-06-03   11:09:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: lucysmom (#103)

Thank you.

Until this morning MD was the only name in my bozo filter.

He sounds like another one of those Good Conservatives™ who hate the first amendment and 'think' women should give up the vote and not be able to own property.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-03   11:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: mininggold (#106)

He sounds like another one of those Good Conservatives™ who hate the first amendment and 'think' women should give up the vote and not be able to own property.

In other words, limiting freedom to himself and his ilk.

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-03   12:12:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: lucysmom (#107)

In other words, limiting freedom to himself and his ilk.

Yeah, I don't know what they are so scared of. Seeing big grown 'men' quivering like a bowl of jello every time they hear a little difference of opinion is a little disconcerting and more a tell on the future of this country than their constant rehashing of doomsday scenarios.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-03   12:22:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: mininggold (#108)

Seeing big grown 'men' quivering like a bowl of jello every time they hear a little difference of opinion is a little disconcerting and more a tell on the future of this country than their constant rehashing of doomsday scenarios.

It is a limbic brain response that only knows flight or fight without thought or reason.

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-03   12:29:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: lucysmom (#109)

It is a limbic brain response that only knows flight or fight without thought or reason.

Yet most profess to having served in the military which specifically teaches recruits how to deal with that response.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-03   12:38:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: mininggold (#110)

Yet most profess to having served in the military which specifically teaches recruits how to deal with that response.

Oh my, are you suggesting...?

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-03   16:53:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: lucysmom, mininggold (#111)

I swear that whenever you two fat azzed gibbering morons get together the world actually gets DUMBER.

You two gibbering libTURDS are incapable of even a semblance independent thought.

You NEED the herd.

YOU can't live without it.

You certainly never have, have you?

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-06-03   17:18:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: jwpegler (#104)

There is no magic about it. The overwhelming majority of people do whatever is needed to take care of themselves and their families.

So you think a system where the poor and the retired have no health care is a better one?

NewsJunky  posted on  2011-06-03   20:57:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: jwpegler (#58)

Singapore's health care system promotes individual choice and responsibility. The U.S. system promotes dependency on one's employer and/or the government. This is the problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Singapore

Singapore has a universal healthcare system where government ensures affordability, largely through compulsory savings and price controls, while the private sector provides most care.

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Singapore's system uses a combination of compulsory savings from payroll deductions (funded by both employers and workers) a nationalized catastrophic health insurance plan, and government subsidies, as well as "actively regulating the supply and prices of healthcare services in the country" to keep costs in check;

So mandates are a good idea? Government forcing citizens to save and providing subsidies along with price regulation are good approaches?

I thought you were a free market conservative, not a socialist?

"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET

go65  posted on  2011-06-03   22:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: war (#102)

(me) She's a cunt, and evidently is into degradation.

(war)Easy there...she's a very nice l;ady who likes ghost stories.

The screen name lucysmom is a shill, and most likely male.

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-04   2:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: A K A Stone (#100) (Edited)

No need to cally LM the C word.

A cunt's a cunt. I call em how I see em.

lucysmom ran to you to get me banned. Not because of my language, but because she got bested and outed in our argument.

She's a cunt. That's the truth.

You are looking for the truth here, right?

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-04   2:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: mininggold (#106)

He sounds like another one of those Good Conservatives™ who hate the first amendment and 'think' women should give up the vote and not be able to own property.

Know why they call that section between a woman's breasts and her hips a waist?

Because you could easily fit another pair of tits in there!

Who the fuck do you think you're intimidating? You sound like one of those dykes from NOW.

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-04   2:44:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Wood_Chopper (#115)

I am telling you, she's a very nice lady,,,

America...My Kind Of Place...

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war  posted on  2011-06-04   6:48:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: NewsJunky (#113)

So you think a system where the poor and the retired have no health care is a better one?

So who's fault is that other than their own????

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-06-04   7:20:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: go65 (#114)

I've told you by detailed opinion on this dozens of times before.

You have some kind of severe memory loss. Is it Alzheimer's or just too many drugs from the 1960s???


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-06-04   15:09:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: CZ82 (#119)

So who's fault is that other than their own????

Bingo, you win the prize.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-06-04   15:09:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Wood_Chopper (#117)

Know why they call that section between a woman's breasts and her hips a waist?

Because you could easily fit another pair of tits in there!

Who the fuck do you think you're intimidating? You sound like one of those dykes from NOW.

Thanks for proving my point.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-04   16:26:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: CZ82 (#119)

So who's fault is that other than their own????

Not everyone is going to get into or stay in the middle class o. There are innumerable factors many of which are beyond their control that could put them in that position. One possible scenario is that someone has a car accident that disables them temporarily (or permanantly) they lose their job and lose their coverage and then can no longer afford insurance.

In regards to the elderly most people live from pay check to pay check and couldn't possibly save enough money to pay for health insurance in their retirement years. Not that in a "free" market an insurance company would want to cover the elderly.

But if health care were like any other "service" it wouldn't matter if it were affordable or not. But unfortunately lacking it can mean life or death.

NewsJunky  posted on  2011-06-04   17:09:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: NewsJunky (#123)

Not everyone is going to get into or stay in the middle class. There are innumerable factors many of which are beyond their control that could put them in that position. One possible scenario is that someone has a car accident that disables them temporarily (or permanantly) they lose their job and lose their coverage and then can no longer afford insurance.

That's the chance you take from the day you're born, life sucks sometimes....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-06-04   18:46:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: NewsJunky (#123)

In regards to the elderly most people live from pay check to pay check and couldn't possibly save enough money to pay for health insurance in their retirement years. Not that in a "free" market an insurance company would want to cover the elderly.

And so they don't have access to Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security????

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-06-04   19:11:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: NewsJunky (#123)

But if health care were like any other "service" it wouldn't matter if it were affordable or not. But unfortunately lacking it can mean life or death.

So.....

A lot of people don't have any supplementary insurance and don't seem to mind or care.....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-06-04   19:13:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: mininggold (#122)

Thanks for proving my point.

In amends, I'd like to state that I'm sure you have small and dainty feet.

Women love to hear that.

You do realize that small and dainty feet are an evolutionary development allowing women to stand closer to the kitchen sink, right?

Know the difference between you and a battery? The battery has a positive side.

If you were screaming at my front door and my dog were barking at my back door, I'd let the dog in first.

At least he'd shut up once I let him in.

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-04   21:39:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Wood_Chopper (#127)

In amends, I'd like to state that I'm sure you have small and dainty feet.

Women love to hear that.

You do realize that small and dainty feet are an evolutionary development allowing women to stand closer to the kitchen sink, right?

Know the difference between you and a battery? The battery has a positive side.

If you were screaming at my front door and my dog were barking at my back door, I'd let the dog in first.

At least he'd shut up once I let him in.

You are too funny.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-04   21:51:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: war (#118)

I am telling you, she's a very nice lady,,,

Yeah, wadda peach she is. Much like the southern woman who "complements" another by saying, "I'm amazed at how many seasons you can get out of a dress!"

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-04   21:53:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: mininggold (#128)

You are too funny.

Well, you finally snapped to what I was doing.

When you falsely accuse someone of being a certain way, don't be surprised when they act that way toward you, instead of shrinking back on the defensive.

You and lucysmom had a pretty good time fingering each other upthread ascribing attributes to me which I don't possess.

Both of you need to grow up. When you lose an argument, you two turn to a gang-on personal attack, falsely accusing you opponent of things of which you expect him to shrink back, and go into defense mode.

Ain't gonna work, sister.

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-04   22:04:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: jwpegler (#120)

I've told you by detailed opinion on this dozens of times before.

Right, you have repeatedly proclaimed your support for a system that "uses a combination of compulsory savings from payroll deductions (funded by both employers and workers) a nationalized catastrophic health insurance plan, and government subsidies, as well as "actively regulating the supply and prices of healthcare services in the country" to keep costs in check;"

"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET

go65  posted on  2011-06-04   22:13:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Wood_Chopper (#130)

Well, you finally snapped to what I was doing.

When you falsely accuse someone of being a certain way, don't be surprised when they act that way toward you, instead of shrinking back on the defensive.

You lose it all the time, you just don't like being reminded.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-04   22:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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