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Title: Obama Economy Worse Than 1970s
Source: PU
URL Source: http://patriotupdate.com/articles/obama-economy-worse-than-1970s
Published: May 29, 2011
Author: Floyd Brown
Post Date: 2011-05-29 08:53:25 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 117470
Comments: 113

Obama Economy Worse Than 1970s

Written on May 28, 2011 by Floyd Brown

The worst economic conditions in recent memory were during the Jimmy Carter era of stagflation. Stagflation was a term coined in the 1970s to describe high unemployment with high inflation. Stagflation is back. Translation: America’s middle class is getting poorer; a record number of middle class workers are out of work. If you are lucky enough to have a job, your wages aren’t going up, but you are facing higher prices for everything.

“Recent data suggests that the current economic recovery is both sluggish and slowing with unemployment stubbornly high,” this from a page one story in Investor’s Business Daily.

The Obama/ Bernanke partnership has been a bust.

The Fed is winding down Ben Bernanke’s experiment in money printing called “QE2”. He trumpets his success saying that QE2 has pointed the U.S. economy “in the right direction.” But did it really? It turns out that QE2 has created maybe 700,000 full-time jobs, but at a cost of about $850,000 for each job.

All QE2 did was create a boom in the stock market. Wall Street bankers reaped millions while the average investors barely madeback some small amount of the money that they lost during the 2008 crash.

We believe this boom is an easy money mirage, as MarketWatch.com reports, “But even the stock market boom hasn’t been what it appears. An analysis shows that most of the rise in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index under QE2 has simply been a result of the decline in the dollar in which shares are measured.Measured in hard currencies, the stock market boom has been much less impressive. In Swiss francs, the S&P has risen by just 8.4% since Aug. 27. In currencies like the Swedish krone and Australian dollars it’s even less. Measured in gold, the S&P 500 is up just 4.5%.”

QE2 has had little visible effect on the real economy. Over the same period, the number of part-time workers has gone down by 600,000. In other words, we’ve basically shifted 600,000 or 700,000 workers from part-time jobs to full-time jobs.

Marketwatch.com continues: “The percentage of the population in work is actually lower today – 58.4%, compared to 58.5% last August. The percentage of the work force in actual work, the so-called ‘participation rate,’ has fallen by half a percentage point.”

Housing is no better because of QE2, April housing starts fell 11%. Marketwatch.com says, “Housing is double-dipping. According to the National Association of Realtors, the average price of an ‘existing’ home was $177,300 in August, just before QE2. Now it’s $163,700 – or 8% less.Economic growth has slowed. It was 2.6% last summer. It’s a miserable 1.8% now.Meanwhile inflation has risen, from 1.2% before QE2 to 3.1% now.”

We all wish for better news, but Obama’s policies are pointing us in the wrong direction. Regulation of business is growing. One CEO of a mining firm we talked with said he is looking for new projects abroad. “I have been fighting for nearly a decade to open a new mine in Montana, and at every turn the government places roadblocks in my way. How am I to create any jobs?”

If Obama’s tax policies are enacted then we could see marginal income tax rates of 60% in some states. Obama clings to socialism and his new programs in healthcare and welfare. They all retard growth. Unemployment taxes are at record highs in most states and this further depresses hiring.

The Fed has invested nearly $2 trillion in Treasury debt since 2008. The investment hasn’t paid off, but when the relentless buying of US Treasury debt ends, we have no similar experience to guide us. One result could be even further collapse and a full blown depression.

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#42. To: CZ82 (#40)

Being anti-abortion and anti-death penalty just doesn't make any sense.....

That's the position of the Catholic Church...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-30   11:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: mininggold (#39)

Tea Partiers are so damned stupid.

Is that the best you can do?

Also your abortion numbers are way off. We had way more abortions than you mentioned.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-05-30   11:11:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A K A Stone (#43)

so your abortion numbers are way off. We had way more abortions than you mentioned.

There's only one country you never criticize. It's not the USA.

mininggold  posted on  2011-05-30   11:14:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: lucysmom (#5)

Taken in perspective, Obama's economic policies look pretty successful.

You really are 'goofy'.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-05-30   11:14:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: war (#38)

In the case of GM, they simply used an equity line from the TARP program to pay off their bailout. That’s just a shift from one government bailout program to another, however the latter doesn’t contain the strings the specified automaker bailout did. Then there is the separate case of the $50 billion dollar bridge loan based upon stock valuations as well yet to come.

Chrysler didn’t use TARP money, rather they simply swapped out the government loan with private investor equity lines with far preferable terms. They still owe the same amount, only with much less interest in the future.

In short, nobody has paid off anything. It’s merely been shuffling of debt and accounting sleight of hand in order to generate favorable publicity and remove the government from its oversight role. I have no complaint with the latter at all. Government shouldn’t be in this business whatsoever anyway, I just disagree with the sales pitch.

You're stupid.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-05-30   11:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: mininggold (#44)

There's only one country you never criticize. It's not the USA.

Did Jews take your lunch money when you were a little girl?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-05-30   11:16:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: A K A Stone (#46)

In the case of GM, they simply used an equity line from the TARP program to pay off their bailout. That’s just a shift from one government bailout program to another, however the latter doesn’t contain the strings the specified automaker bailout did. Then there is the separate case of the $50 billion dollar bridge loan based upon stock valuations as well yet to come.

That's how the current version of the US economy works. We are a debt driven economy, with debt now considered an asset. Why do you think the whole market now revolves around interest rates?

mininggold  posted on  2011-05-30   11:19:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: mininggold (#48)

So war was wrong and I am right.

Ok

If someone owes you money. That should be an asset.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-05-30   11:21:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#47)

Did Jews take your lunch money when you were a little girl?

Actually I took my lunch to school but it definitely was not kosher. Sorry, I can see I dissed your idols again.

mininggold  posted on  2011-05-30   11:23:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: A K A Stone, war (#49) (Edited)

So war was wrong and I am right.

Ok

If someone owes you money. That should be an asset.

War said the TARP monies were paid off by the auto makers, which is true.

mininggold  posted on  2011-05-30   11:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: mininggold, war (#51)

War said the TARP monies were paid off by the auto makers, with is true.

No war said in post 8 "The auto makers have paid the US back."

You're playing semantics. They didn't pay back the money.

If I supported anything to do with TARP. It would be to save the automakers. So I don't give anyone to hard a time about that one. But it isn't accurate to say that the automakers loans are repaid.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-05-30   11:36:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: A K A Stone (#46)

Blah blah blah...

There are no outstanding debts owed to the US by the automakers...

You were wrong again, Stone...courtesy of me...

But thanks for once again showing what you are...incapable of admitting error...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-30   11:39:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: mininggold (#50)

I knew he wouldn't admit to being wrong...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-30   11:41:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: war (#53)

They took out one govt loan to pay another one. They are still in debt to US govt. Unfortunately.

Are you really that dumb? Or is it an act?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-05-30   11:44:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: A K A Stone (#55)

The US owns an equity stake in GM, Stone.

Ownership is different from being a creditor.

What I stated was 100% correct and, what's worse, is you know it.

Quick: Tell me I support murdering babies and delete a post.

It's you at your "best".

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-30   11:45:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: A K A Stone (#55)

They took out one govt loan to pay another one. They are still in debt to US govt. Unfortunately.

Are you really that dumb? Or is it an act?

The context mentioned for the original quote in case you can't read was the stimulus monies.

mininggold  posted on  2011-05-30   11:46:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: war (#56)

You support murdering babies.

I'm not going to delete your nonsense. I want everyone to see it.

Hey at least you like AC/DC and Star Trek. We can agree on that.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-05-30   11:48:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#34)

"You are for the death penalty thus are anti-life. Quit pretending you are anything else. Your black and white logic cuts both ways." -Ferret Mike

"So are you for or against the death penalty?????" -- CZ82

Don't glom my words together with someone else's. Indicate whom you quote.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-05-30   12:29:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: CZ82 (#32)

"So are you for or against the death penalty?????"

I have never been for the Death Penalty. I have always opposed it, consistently, as long as I have had a view on it.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-05-30   12:31:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: A K A Stone (#58)

Hey at least you like AC/DC and Star Trek. We can agree on that.

Okay...I laughed...

True...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-30   13:19:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: war (#24)

What was the unemployment rate when the stimulus was passed?

What is it now, 2 1/2 years later?

Only a dumbass would conclude there was anything successful about it. Economies typically recover a lot more robustly when NOTHING is done.

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-05-30   17:55:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: no gnu taxes (#62)

Economies typically recover a lot more robustly when NOTHING is done.

No doubt that's the reason the Long Depression was over so quickly.

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-30   17:59:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: lucysmom (#63)

Look at the difference between what happened in the depression of 1921 and 1932 and what was done by the government for each. The Great Depression was a Hoover/Roosevelt clusterf#ck. (Contrary to what's popularly taught, they both had big government intervention programs).

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-05-30   18:03:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: no gnu taxes (#62)

Only a dumbass would conclude there was anything successful about it. Economies typically recover a lot more robustly when NOTHING is done.

Getting those old bankrupt capitalists to jump out of windows is sure to narrow the playing field somewhat.

mininggold  posted on  2011-05-30   18:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: no gnu taxes (#64)

Look at the difference between what happened in the depression of 1921 and 1932 and what was done by the government for each. The Great Depression was a Hoover/Roosevelt clusterf#ck. (Contrary to what's popularly taught, they both had big government intervention programs).

The end of the depression in 1921 probably had more to do with the flu epidemic running its course than any government economic intervention or lack there of.

If government non-intervention made for fast economic recoveries, then the "Long Depression" would've had a different name.

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-30   18:58:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: war (#23)

Don't post bullshit that you are neither able to defend nor explain, Erica.

I post extensive data, and you, unsupported opinions. I present facts, you bloviate and bluster, trying to avoid the facts.

Shall I post the various Rules of Disinformation you're (again) using, to attempt to win a debate you you cannot *possibly* win?

If you were half as smart as you think you are, you'd simply not comment on threads such as this one.

But no.... Your idiot leftist ego compels you to get into discussions that FAR exceed your intellectual capabilities. And the result- predictably- is making a complete ASS of yourself.

It'd be funny, if you weren't such a loser. Instead... It's just pathetic.

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Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-05-30   19:02:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: A K A Stone (#55)

Are you really that dumb? Or is it an act?

Dwarf is not dumb.

And he's not an act......(other than to note virtually all dimtards reek of hypocrisy)

But he does have the evil part down to a fine science.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way. (decided to retire the beatdowns on old worthless retread posters that are bozoed)

e_type_jag  posted on  2011-05-30   19:54:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: war (#41)

And ownership is different from being a creditor.

The 'difference' is that the US tax-payer is left holding paper that may or may not be worth the amount of money that was orignally loaned. Its slight of hand to retire a loan by issuing ownership paper of unknown market value. Unless and until the government stake in these companies is sold, NO ONE should be crowing about how the tax-payers were paid back.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-05-30   22:28:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Thunderbird (#69)

The 'difference' is that the US tax-payer is left holding paper that may or may not be worth the amount of money that was orignally loaned.

This money wasn't loaned.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-31   8:26:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Capitalist Eric (#67)

Erica...I ripped those charts apart previously. I ASKED you to defend them and you gave me a link to shadowstats. After I ripped that site apart you flew into a little snit.

Not once were you able to defend anything that you have posted.

And here we are again...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-31   8:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: war (#71)

And here we are again...

Enough of your unsuppported bloviationisticking!!!!

Post facts from lew rockwell only!!

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Whatcha lookin' at, butthead
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?

Biff Tannen  posted on  2011-05-31   8:38:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: war (#71)

Keep it up and I'll post the rules of disinformation at you.

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Whatcha lookin' at, butthead
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?

Biff Tannen  posted on  2011-05-31   8:38:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Biff Tannen (#73)

"We'll give 'em the old number 6...where we go a-ridin' into town, a-whompin' and a-whumpin' every livin' thing that moves within an inch of its life. Except the women folks, of course."

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-31   8:58:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: war (#74)

They come into town rapin' our cattle and stampedin' our women.

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Whatcha lookin' at, butthead
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?

Biff Tannen  posted on  2011-05-31   9:04:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Biff Tannen (#75)

GREAT movie...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-31   9:37:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: war (#71)

Erica...I ripped those charts apart previously. I ASKED you to defend them and you gave me a link to shadowstats. After I ripped that site apart you flew into a little snit.

Not once were you able to defend anything that you have posted.

And here we are again...

As usual, you're a fucking LIAR.

I have provided a plethora of links and data. If you're too fucking lazy to get off your fat ass, and educate yourself, the problem is yours, NOT mine.

Oh, and shithead Tannen pointed out... your latest tactics fall under:

Rule of Disinformation #19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the “play dumb” rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

Rule of Disinformation #18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how “sensitive they are to criticism”.

Rule of Disinformation #20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

Rule of Disinformation #13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact.

Unsurprisingly, you and Biff are busy sucking each other off... to notice that you're being robbed blind, by the imposter POTUS, who you happily (and stupidly) voted for.

You're both truly pathetic.

I truly hope I get the chance to piss on your rotting corpses, at some point.

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Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-05-31   22:28:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Capitalist Eric (#77) (Edited)

I have provided a plethora of links and data.

REPEAT THIS UNTIL YOU GET IT:

NONE OF WHICH YOU HAVE EVER BEEN ABLE TO DEFEND

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-06-01   7:44:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Capitalist Eric (#77) (Edited)

...your rotting corpses

It's the only way you'd ever be able to get near me, pussywillow.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-06-01   7:45:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: war (#78)

REPEAT THIS UNTIL YOU GET IT:

NONE OF WHICH YOU HAVE EVER BEEN ABLE TO DEFEND

LOL.

You rely on your old play-book... which, BTW, I POSTED FOR EVERYONE TO SEE.

Rule of Disinformation #4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

Rule of Disinformation #5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left- wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

Rule of Disinformation #9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

Rule of Disinformation #12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to loose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.

Rule of Disinformation #13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact.

Rule of Disinformation #15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.

Rule of Disinformation #19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the “play dumb” rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

Rule of Disinformation #20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

Thanks for playing!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-06-01   12:41:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Capitalist Eric (#80)

REPEAT THIS UNTIL YOU GET IT:

NONE OF WHICH YOU HAVE EVER BEEN ABLE TO DEFEND

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-06-01   13:22:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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