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Title: Wisconsin man charged with plan to attack abortion clinic
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reuters.com
URL Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011 ... -charges-idUSTRE74Q69X20110527
Published: May 28, 2011
Author: John Rondy
Post Date: 2011-05-28 10:05:49 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 3391
Comments: 23
(Reuters) - A Wisconsin man who allegedly planned to shoot a doctor at a Madison abortion clinic was charged on Friday under a federal law that allows freedom of access to the clinics, prosecutors said. Ralph Lang, 63, of Marshfield, was staying at a Motel 6 when his .38-caliber handgun discharged into an unoccupied room across the hall, according to the federal criminal complaint. Madison police were called after Lang told a motel clerk that the gun went off, and he was worried that the bullet might have hit someone. Lang, who was arrested for reckless endangerment, told police that he had a gun "to lay out abortionists because they are killing babies," the complaint said Lang told police that he planned to go to a Planned Parenthood abortion clinic the following morning to find the doctor who was doing the abortions and shoot him in the head, the complaint said. He was charged with attempting to injure and intimidate in violation of the federal access statute, according to U.S. Attorney John Vaudreuil. A nurse at Planned Parenthood in Madison said she is familiar with Lang, and that she saw him outside the facility last week, according to the complaint. Lang was arrested in 2007 outside Planned Parenthood, telling an officer at the time that the "Bible states that anyone involved in abortion should be executed." In Lang's motel room, officers found a U.S. map with dots in each state and handwritten words above the northern U.S. border that said "some abortion centers," the complaint said. Also written on the map were the words "Blessed Virgin Mary says Hell awaits any woman having an abortion. Nurse or doctor who helps will one (sic)." Police reported seeing anti-abortion literature in Lang's motel room. After his court appearance Friday, Lang was being held in the Dane County jail. The maximum penalty under the federal Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances statute is one year in prison and up to a $100,000 fine. He was assigned a federal public defender, who could not immediately be reached for comment. (Editing by Mary Wisniewski and Greg McCune)
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#1. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
Eric Randall Rudolph is still considered a hero to many. I wonder if he really did the Olympic bombing. If he did he is no hero. If he didn't he is a hero.
Violence that breaks laws and has someone acting to be the judge, jury and executioner is terrorism. What people like this do is give ammunition that helps keep abortion legal. It is using lawless violence to terrorize and punish people. Use your head, Stone. Violence outside the legal process to advocate and work for the end of abortion justifies making it legal in the eyes of the people who are angered and galvanized against the murder of people purportedly done to end abortion. As Gandhi said, "An eye for an eye eventually makes the whole world blind."
So Eric Randall Rudolph killed terrorists. Ok that is fine by me.
Can you say Obama and Libya?
So when it was lawful to string up "niggers". They should have just went with the flow. That is a stupid argument Mike. It is murder or it isn't. People have a right to defend human life from being murdered. Hooray for the people who kill abortionists. Hip hip hooray.
I don't think it was ever "legal", it was accepted. Unequal application of the law.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
When was it legal to lynch, Stone? It was never legal to murder people in a way to terrorize and control Black people to keep them under the thumbs of White people. Bad argument.
It was unjust and wrong. But I think you could do whatever you wanted to to a runaway slave.
It was legal to kill a runaway slave. Probably legal to kill one that you just wanted to kill. No it wasn' right. It was wrong. But it is the way it was. Slavery is like winning the lottery compared to baby murder.
When a man breaks laws and murders people. That is what people see and note, and it pisses them off. The only people that this jihad against abortion attitude impresses is other lawless jihadists. I want to see abortion ended. And what I see is people taking the law into their own hands in a way only a few people like you will like. The majority of people voting for lawmakers on the issue will be pissed. And it will discredit and hurt the anti-abortion movement in their eyes.
If a man is standing with a sharp instrument about to kill a baby. Then you inject yourself in the situation and kill the man with the sharp instrument. That isn't murder. That is Self defense of defending the defenseless. It is JUSTIFIED.
That doesn't happen by voting for baby murderers like Obama. Are you saying you didn't vote for the baby murderer?
Who gives a shit about the majority. Right is right.
Then their eyes must be really stupid.
Slavery is the denial of a future or even security your wife or kids won't be sold out from under you and separated from you. It means none of those of yur color in this example has a life in this period of our country. Abortion is the killing of a demographic of babies. The culture of the mothers, and everything about their culture and families remain intact. No Stone. This is desperate hyperbole. I see no parity to your contrast of abortion with slavery.
Slavery you live. And are sometimes happy. Baby murder. You are dead no future. Slavery is like winning the lottery compared to abortion.
No Stone, you just have your nose so far into the ass end of the issue you no longer see daylight. I worked doing non-violent civil disobedience over logging and environmental destruction. I did not support the Earth Liberation Movement and eco-saboteurs because while what they do might of made them feel good, but it turned people against support of the objectives and point of view I was working for, I have real time activist experience that taught me the perspective I am expressing to you. You can say you thing they are dumb all you want; but in the end, they will still be there. And more of them than ever will be for abortion and vote that way because of people who take the law into their own hands. All people like this do is hurt the anti-abortion movement.
Did non violent work in the American Revolution? No it took some violence to get things done. You just have to find out it if it "JUSITFIED".
Through careful and patient work, many of us have been able to stem the sentiment for abortion and slowly torn the tide against the practice. And now, Le voila! cowboys with guns create martyrs pro-abortion people do a "remember the Alamo!" use of this lawlessness meant to do revenge and to terrorize people with whom the gunman killing the doctor disagrees with as a way to keep abortion legal. No Stone. All this man and others like him do is guarantee many thousands of more deaths by abortion as his bullets destroys the patient work of thousands of activists on the issue.
No it took some violence to get things done." If you have every activist group going around fully convinced of their right to kill and blow things up to serve their issue, you have so much violence, death and destruction around you, you don't have revolution. You have Martial Law and laws uglier than the Patriot Act passed to restore the rule of law and stability to the situation. If an activist grouped can't work in the context of the system and does violent things, they hurt their advocacy. And they hurt the work of many people who worked in the system to put an end to abortion. We are talking real life here Stone, not an episode of Gunsmoke where at the end of the show the good guys win without mussing their hair neatly combed under their white hat.
I don't do violence or support activist groups doing violence. But if someone is on the news because they shot some abortionist. I don't lose any sleep over it.
Killing a tree, and killing a baby are two different things. Protecting a human being with lethal force is permissible. Do all Wiccans believe that trees are more important than people?
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
You can't force abortion to be illegal by killing a doctor or two. You have to build a foundation of sentiment and agreement between people to end laws allowing abortion for it to end. And one can do it using dissent, speech, and many other ways that have been done that has created a trend curtailing the practice of and opportunity for abortion can continue to be done until their is no abortion any more. Many dedicated people have done too good a job on the issue to support a loner with a rifle inflaming sentiments against changing laws to make the practice illegal by creating martyrs. Guys like this are much like agent provocateurs in terms of how they achieve the same destructive end to a movement they allegedly are for.
#2. To: A K A Stone (#1)
#3. To: Ferret Mike (#2)
Violence that breaks laws and has someone acting to be the judge, jury and executioner is terrorism.
#4. To: Ferret Mike (#2)
It is using lawless violence to terrorize and punish people
#5. To: Ferret Mike (#2)
Violence outside the legal process to advocate and work for the end of abortion justifies making it legal in the eyes of the people who are angered and galvanized against the murder of people purportedly done to end abortion.
#6. To: A K A Stone (#5)
So when it was lawful to string up "niggers". They should have just went with the flow.
#7. To: A K A Stone (#5)
#8. To: lucysmom (#6)
I don't think it was ever "legal", it was accepted. Unequal application of the law.
#9. To: Ferret Mike (#7)
When was it legal to lynch, Stone? It was never legal to murder people in a way to terrorize and control Black people to keep them under the thumbs of White people. Bad argument.
#10. To: A K A Stone (#5)
"That is a stupid argument Mike. It is murder or it isn't. People have a right to defend human life from being murdered."
#11. To: Ferret Mike (#10)
When a man breaks laws and murders people. That is what people see and note, and it pisses them off.
#12. To: Ferret Mike (#10)
I want to see abortion ended.
#13. To: Ferret Mike (#10)
The majority of people voting for lawmakers on the issue will be pissed.
#14. To: Ferret Mike (#10)
And it will discredit and hurt the anti-abortion movement in their eyes.
#15. To: A K A Stone (#9)
"Slavery is like winning the lottery compared to baby murder."
#16. To: Ferret Mike (#15)
#17. To: A K A Stone (#14)
(Edited)
"Then their eyes must be really stupid."
#18. To: Ferret Mike (#17)
I worked doing non-violent
#19. To: A K A Stone (#16)
"Baby murder. You are dead no future."
#20. To: A K A Stone (#18)
(Edited)
"Did non violent work in the American Revolution?
#21. To: Ferret Mike (#20)
If you have every activist group going around fully convinced of their right to kill and blow things up to serve their issue, you have so much violence, death and destruction around you, you don't have revolution.
#22. To: Ferret Mike (#20)
If you have every activist group going around fully convinced of their right to kill and blow things up
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#23. To: hondo68 (#22)
(Edited)
"Killing a tree, and killing a baby are two different things. Protecting a human being with lethal force is permissible. Do all Wiccans believe that trees are more important than people?"
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