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Title: Video: Herman Cain on the right of return (Hasn't thought about it)
Source: Hot AIr
URL Source: http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/ ... n-cain-on-the-right-of-return/
Published: May 25, 2011
Author: Hot air
Post Date: 2011-05-25 11:34:06 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 6381
Comments: 31

D.G. Myers of Commentary thought it was a huge gaffe, Jonah Goldberg was “underwhelmed” by Cain’s performance, and Jim Geraghty thought the resulting kerfuffle over the “right of return” answer was much ado about nothing. I’m somewhere between Myers and Goldberg. Jim’s right that this is, for 90+ percent of the public, a boutique issue that won’t affect how they vote. It’s hardly disqualifying. But then he says:

All Cain’s comment did was reveal that he hasn’t given more than a moment’s thought to what the Palestinians — you know, the folks who elected Hamas to run their government and who danced on 9/11 — are demanding. I suppose that if you cling to the idea that only thing holding back peace in our time is a sufficient number of White House all-nighters on creative cartography, then yes, you would want a president familiar with “right of return” and the whole cavalcade of Palestinian demands. If you think the root of the problem is a culture that celebrates suicide bombers more than doctors and entrepreneurs, then this looks like small potatoes; all the presidential familiarity in the world with the “right of return” argument won’t make much difference.

It’s one thing to hear the argument and to rule it out as a red herring, it’s another never to have heard it in the first place — in which case, how can you make the sort of bold pronouncements about Israeli/Palestinian negotiations that Cain’s making here? Watch what he says at the very end of the clip, after he blanks on the phrase “right of return.” Quote: “I don’t think they [i.e. Israel] have a big problem with people returning.” Really? They have an existential problem with people returning, actually; Bibi himself made that point in the course of his now-famous lecture in the Oval Office last week. Cain obviously cares passionately about this issue, but then so do a lot of conservatives and yet somehow they’ve seen fit to acquaint themselves with the “right of return.” Are the writers at Commentary, say, poorer advocates for Israel because they know the Palestinians’ arguments? Was Bush?

This wasn’t the only case where Cain took a de facto pass on foreign policy either:

GOP presidential hopeful Herman Cain said Sunday he doesn’t have a plan for the war on terror and won’t share his thoughts with voters until he gets into the White House.

“The right approach is that the day I’m elected, I would start on that plan,” he told “Fox Sunday News.”

Mr. Cain, former Godfather’s Pizza CEO, said he can’t make those decisions until he sees intelligence files that he is not privy to at this point.

How would an Obama/Cain presidential debate on foreign policy and counterterrorism proceed if he can’t outline a plan until he’s sworn in and starts getting CIA briefings? As Reason’s Mike Riggs recently noted, there’s an odd dynamic here where on the one hand Cain is modest almost to a fault about making any commitments abroad until he has maximum information from U.S. intel, and on the other hand he’s fiercely pro-Israel despite seemingly not knowing the most basic basics about the Palestinians’ most basic demands. Why?

I’m curious to see where commenters come down on the Myers/Goldberg/Geraghty spectrum. There were a lot of facepalms in yesterday’s Headlines thread about this, but whether that’s because people agree with my take here or whether our very large, very strong Palin constituency is eager to score points on Cain before he poses a serious threat in Iowa, I don’t know. Let’s find out!

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#1. To: go65 (#0)

Its an obscure issue with the vast majority of voters.

What is of interest to a majority of voters is Owe-bama siding with the terrorists known as the Palestinians.

Another Owe-bama fuck up on international policy. Its hilarious to recall just two weeks ago the Leftwingnuts were screaming Republicans couldn't touch him on the issue because 'he got bin Laden'.

Owe-bama managed to fuck that up in 10 days.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-05-25   15:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: go65 (#0)

This Blackie dares to leave the Dim Plantation and it scares the hell out of you lefties,doesn't it?

You will never admit it to anybody but your wife or "long time companion" while locked in the darkest closet in your home at 3 AM,but when you see and hear a black man like him or West that DARES to think for themselves,the one thought that runs through your mind is "Damn! We can't afford to let these guys do well. If they do the rest of the niggers might figure out they don't need us too,and where will we be then?.

You might as well come out of that dark closet and admit it in public because you aren't fooling anybody anyhow.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-05-26   9:52:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: sneakypete (#2)

This Blackie dares to leave the Dim Plantation and it scares the hell out of you lefties,doesn't it?

You will never admit it to anybody but your wife or "long time companion" while locked in the darkest closet in your home at 3 AM,but when you see and hear a black man like him or West that DARES to think for themselves,the one thought that runs through your mind is "Damn! We can't afford to let these guys do well. If they do the rest of the niggers might figure out they don't need us too,and where will we be then?.

You might as well come out of that dark closet and admit it in public because you aren't fooling anybody anyhow.

Get some rest Pete, you are going off the deep end again.

"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET

go65  posted on  2011-05-26   9:52:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: sneakypete (#2)

You might as well come out of that dark closet and admit it in public because you aren't fooling anybody anyhow.

Give him time. Just a few minutes ago he came out of the "i'm not an obama supporeter" closet and admitted he actually supported a mass murdering baby killer. Sick but he admitted it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-05-26   9:57:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#4)

Give him time. Just a few minutes ago he came out of the "i'm not an obama supporeter" closet and admitted he actually supported a mass murdering baby killer. Sick but he admitted it.

And you called a mass murdering baby killed "ideologically pure"

On June 14, 1967, Ronald Reagan signed the Therapeutic Abortion Act, after only six months as California governor. From a total of 518 legal abortions in California in 1967, the number of abortions would soar to an annual average of 100,000 in the remaining years of Reagan’s two terms — more abortions than in any U.S. state prior to the advent of Roe v. Wade. Reagan’s signing of the abortion bill was an ironic beginning for a man often seen as the modern father of the pro-life movement.

This is your idol, right Stone?

"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET

go65  posted on  2011-05-26   10:03:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: sneakypete (#2)

I saw him on TV this morning talking about it and he was refreshingly open. He simply said that he knows what he knows and he doesn't claim to know everything about everything and he got caught off guard on the matter and it will never happen again.

It's odd that the lefties are already going full artillery against this guy, when he probably still has to be considered a long shot candidate.

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, ā€œYou know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, ā€¦ā€. Can I get an ā€˜amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-05-26   10:05:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: no gnu taxes (#6)

saw him on TV this morning talking about it and he was refreshingly open. He simply said that he knows what he knows and he doesn't claim to know everything about everything and he got caught off guard on the matter and it will never happen again.

That's EVERY politician's excuse.

mininggold  posted on  2011-05-26   10:08:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: go65 (#5)

Being the typical asshole liberal you are, you attempt to distort the whole truth

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When the issue surfaced in the first months of his governorship, Reagan was unsure how to react. Surprising as it may seem today, in 1967 abortion was not the great public issue that it is today. Reagan later admitted that abortion had been “a subject I’d never given much thought to.” Moreover, his aides were divided on the question.

Reagan began to vigorously study the issue and the Therapeutic Abortion Act. He asked his longtime adviser and Cabinet secretary Bill Clark — a devout Catholic who had contemplated the priesthood — for counsel. “Bill, I’ve got to know more — theologically, philosophically, medically,” Reagan confided. Clark loaded up the governor with a box of reading materials, which he took home and read in semi-seclusion. Edmund Morris later said that, by the time the Therapeutic Abortion Act reached his desk, “Reagan was quoting Saint Thomas Aquinas.” Years later, Reagan remarked that he did “more studying and soul searching” on the issue than any other as governor.

Nonetheless, he signed the bill. Reagan and his staff calculated that if he vetoed the bill, his veto would be overridden by the state legislature. Therefore, he decided to do what he could to make the bill less harmful, arguing for the insertion of certain language that eliminated its worst features and allowed for abortion only in rare cases — such as rape or incest, or where pregnancy would gravely impair the physical or mental health of the mother.

The Therapeutic Abortion Act became law. And as would happen with nearly every abortion law in the years ahead, the mental-health provision was abused by patient and doctor alike. Reagan biographer Lou Cannon notes that even the bill’s Democratic sponsor confessed to being surprised that physicians so liberally interpreted the law.

Reagan was shocked at the unintended consequences of his action. Morris said Reagan was left with an “undefinable sense of guilt” after watching abortions skyrocket. Cannon claims this was “the only time as governor or president that Reagan acknowledged a mistake on major legislation.” Clark called the incident “perhaps Reagan’s greatest disappointment in public life.”

For Reagan, one good thing did come out of this disappointment. As Georgetown’s Matt Sitman notes, “It is impossible to understand his later staunchly pro-life positions without grasping the lessons he learned from this early political battle.” Reagan, says Sitman, survived the ordeal with a “profoundly intellectual understanding of the abortion issue…. It was in 1967 that his ideas concerning the beginning of human life were fully formed.” He now had a cogent understanding, politically and morally, of abortion and its implications.

Reagan would later denounce abortion so strongly and so frequently from the Oval Office that Bill Clark has compiled a 45-page document of Reagan’s quotes on abortion, collected from the official Presidential Papers. Reagan even authored a small book — Abortion and the Conscience of the Nation, featuring contributions from Bill Clark, Malcolm Muggeridge, and Mother Teresa — that was published by the Human Life Foundation in 1984. White House moderates wanted Reagan to delay publication until after the 1984 election, fearing it would turn off pro-choice Republicans, but Reagan refused. He would not be burned again on abortion. No more compromises.

Ronald Reagan emerged from 1967 repentant, but ready for future battles. The damage was done; of course, the results were nothing compared to the travesty that a group of men in black robes in Washington were planning six years later.

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, ā€œYou know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, ā€¦ā€. Can I get an ā€˜amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-05-26   10:11:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: mininggold (#7)

No, the fucking Kenyan would have blabbered about how he was misunderstood, and that it is a complex issue that has to thoroughly understood, blah, blah, blah.

The fact is that it is a matter not very important to almost everyone, and it's not something Cain was prepared to discuss and he simply stated that.

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, ā€œYou know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, ā€¦ā€. Can I get an ā€˜amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-05-26   10:13:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mininggold (#7)

That's EVERY politician's excuse.

Obama doesn't make exescuses for his mistakes.

He just proudly boasts that he is a baby killer and he wants the votes of baby killers.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-05-26   10:17:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: go65 (#5)

This is your idol, right Stone?

Not my idol. But he was the best president of the 20th century and better than any 21st century president to date.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-05-26   10:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: no gnu taxes (#6)

It's odd that the lefties are already going full artillery against this guy, when he probably still has to be considered a long shot candidate.

Nobody's full of artillery, in fact you are the one who keeps bringing up the 'long shot candidate' for discussion. I just see it as once a banker always a banker.

mininggold  posted on  2011-05-26   10:21:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#10)

Obama doesn't make exescuses for his mistakes.

He just proudly boasts that he is a baby killer and he wants the votes of baby killers.

At least you know where he stands so you can vote accordingly. Instead the Pubbies and Bush funded the private providers in a rather underhanded fashion. Only going for the administrative costs, leaving more of their other funding to go for abortions and the clinical part. Like I always say, the Pubbies never have a problem funding management.

mininggold  posted on  2011-05-26   10:26:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mininggold (#13)

At least you know where he stands so you can vote accordingly. Instead the Pubbies and Bush funded the private providers in a rather underhanded fashion. Only going for the administrative costs, leaving more of their other funding to go for abortions and the clinical part. Like I always say, the Pubbies never have a problem funding management.

That is why we need someone like Rand Paul

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-05-26   10:28:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mininggold (#13)

Did you vote for Obama?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-05-26   10:29:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#11)

Not my idol. But he was the best president of the 20th century and better than any 21st century president to date.

so you are praising a guy who saw murdered babies go from 500 to 100,000 on his watch.

OK, so all your ranting and raving about baby-killers is just a bunch of bunk then?

Got it.

"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET

go65  posted on  2011-05-26   10:29:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: go65 (#16)

Got it.

lol

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-05-26   10:30:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#15)

Did you vote for Obama?

God, is that the only retort you can ever come up with? I voted for RON PAUL. I even took the effort to write him in which was counted in California.

mininggold  posted on  2011-05-26   10:34:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: mininggold (#18)

Ok I can't remember how everyone voted.

Would you possibly support Rand if he ran?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-05-26   10:36:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: go65 (#16)

so you are praising a guy who saw murdered babies go from 500 to 100,000 on his watch.

Not having one iota of a clue about human behavior is okay and even excused if one is a Pubby politician.

mininggold  posted on  2011-05-26   10:39:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#19)

Would you possibly support Rand if he ran?

I don't know yet.

mininggold  posted on  2011-05-26   10:39:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: mininggold (#21)

Fair enough.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-05-26   10:40:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: no gnu taxes (#6)

I saw him on TV this morning talking about it and he was refreshingly open. He simply said that he knows what he knows and he doesn't claim to know everything about everything and he got caught off guard on the matter and it will never happen again.

So far I am a big fan of his and am planning on voting for him.

It's odd that the lefties are already going full artillery against this guy, when he probably still has to be considered a long shot candidate.

Nothing odd about it at all. He is their biggest nightmare come true. A conservative black man on the national stage that isn't insane like Alan Keyes is.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-05-26   10:52:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: mininggold (#7)

That's EVERY politician's excuse.

Not true. Damn few will ever admit they were ever wrong on anything or didn't know anything about the subject.

So far Cain is a breath of fresh air and MY likely pick for 2012. I'm sure he isn't perfect because nobody is,but as long as he doesn't stray from supporting the Bill of Rights,he's my choice.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-05-26   10:55:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: sneakypete (#24)

So far Cain is a breath of fresh air and MY likely pick for 2012. I'm sure he isn't perfect because nobody is,but as long as he doesn't stray from supporting the Bill of Rights,he's my choice.

I like him more every time I see or hear him as well.

If I had to pick today, I'd say he'd be a great VP choice for a variety of reasons. If he continues as he has, maybe he's the POTUS nominee.

We'll see. But I do like the fact he admitted he was caught off guard, and simply hadn't thought much about it. Heard him again this morning on Fox.

Bottom line is voters don't give a shit about 'Right of Return' when they are terrified of losing their job, their house, their retirement.

Its the economy...and Cain understands that better than most.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-05-26   10:58:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: no gnu taxes, mininggold (#9)

No, the fucking Kenyan would have blabbered about how he was misunderstood,

Or claimed it was the fault of "that damn lying teleprompter. It was probably a Republican! I had it taken outside and shot yesterday. Your Maximum Leader loves you! Even the pale ones."

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-05-26   11:00:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sneakypete (#26)

Or claimed it was the fault of "that damn lying teleprompter

Like Michelle Bachmann?

"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET

go65  posted on  2011-05-26   12:28:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: go65 (#27)

Or claimed it was the fault of "that damn lying teleprompter

Like Michelle Bachmann?

I don't know. Did she do it,too?

AND.....,if she did does that excuse the acting president for doing the same thing?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-05-26   13:25:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: sneakypete (#28)

AND.....,if she did does that excuse the acting president for doing the same thing?

Interesting GOey puts Bachmann on the same level with our manchild POTUS.

Very revealing.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-05-26   14:03:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: sneakypete (#28)

I don't know. Did she do it,too?

yeah, she blamed the teleprompter after she claimed that the battles of lexington and concord were fought in New Hampshire.

"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET

go65  posted on  2011-05-26   23:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: go65 (#30)

yeah, she blamed the teleprompter after she claimed that the battles of lexington and concord were fought in New Hampshire.

Ok.

Are you saying that this excuses the acting president for doing the same thing?

Or is it you think he is almost as smart as her,even though HE has a staff of hundreds to fact check every brain fart he utters?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-05-27   13:12:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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