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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Opinions/Editorials See other Opinions/Editorials Articles Title: NY 26: Democrats should thank Paul Ryan Source: washington post URL Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs ... /2011/05/24/AFkPkrAH_blog.html Published: May 24, 2011 Author: EJ Dionne Post Date: 2011-05-24 23:58:48 by go65 Keywords: None Views: 36157 Comments: 67 There is no way for Republicans to spin away Democrat Kathy Hochul’s victory in New York’s deeply red 26th congressional district. This is a big setback for Paul Ryan’s budget and a warning for Republican incumbents everywhere. This is simply not a district a Republican should have lost. Conservative overreach has clearly woken up Democrats and has gone down badly with independents. The GOP can’t claim that Republican Jane Corwin lost because of a vote split with Tea Party candidate Jack Davis. With 87 percent of the precincts in, Hochul had 48 percent to Corwin’s 42 percent. Davis got just 9 percent, and the Green Party candidate picked up 1 percent. Let’s assume Hochul drops a point when the missing precints, which are mostly from Republican areas, are in. Republicans can’t claim that all of the votes that went to Davis, a former Democrat, would have gone to Corwin. Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 59. #1. To: go65 (#0) I live in this district and I could tell you that this article is complete BS. But you're a brain dead democrat zombie, so I might as well not waste my time. The republican party is NY is a freaking joke, and all they wanted to do was find someone who could self-fund a campaign. They found that person in millionaire Corwin. She clearly wasn't ready for prime time. She lost the election when her campaign manager tried to provoke Jack Davis into a fight, and it was caught on video. When the SHTF, she refused to fire him. For her part, Hochul ran a good - albeit standard democrat BS campaign. You know, the usual "republicans are going to kill grandma" campaign. In this district with a high percentage of seniors, that resonated. But Hochul is a very good public servant. Although I probably disagree with her politics on every issue, I've had personal dealings with the Erie County DMV (her responsibilty) and she really has turned that agency around. So there are two reasons for the election result. But be sure and watch MSNBC for your talking points. Moron. Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-05-25   8:29:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#1) Actually, some of the stories mirror what you said. That Corwin didn't believe early enough that people would take the Medicare situation seriously. I also read that Hochul had a more personable style and wouldn't take it so personally if a non local does not pick up the nuances of things in that race you are able to see. For example, I know first hand how stock raving insane Art Robinson who ran against Pete DeFazio is. It was the strangest congressional race here I've seen. And I bet you would fine hard to believe some of the things I know about it. Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-05-25   8:40:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Ferret Mike, go65 (#2) (Edited) Since I live here, it will be fun and instructive to watch how the national media will attempt to spin this. And people like go65 will completely buy into the spin. Hell, I won't be surprised if Obama comes in and takes credit. The truth is simply that the republicans in general and Corwin in particular ran a terrible campaign. Sandy Beach (a local talk radio host and rabid republican) even came out and supported Hochul. Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-05-25   8:50:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#3) The truth is simply that the republicans in general and Corwin in particular ran a terrible campaign. Sandy Beach (a local talk radio host and rabid republican) even came out and supported Hochul. Keep dreaming. The crossover vote was almost all based upon Ryan's Medicare plan. Again, you folks have totally misread the 2010 election. war  posted on  2011-05-25   8:54:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: war (#4) The crossover vote was almost all based upon attack ads, killing grandma, and lies about Ryan's Medicare plan. There, I fixed it. Now go back and watch Ed Shultz. Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-05-25   8:58:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#5) There, I fixed it. Now go back and watch Ed Shultz. If you think the Republican plan to send people in their 80's and 90's on a hunt for private medical insurance is a winning campaign strategy, well then all I can say is "good luck with that one." go65  posted on  2011-05-25   10:14:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: go65 (#15) (Edited) f you think the Republican plan to send people in their 80's and 90's on a hunt for private medical insurance is a winning campaign strategy, well then all I can say is "good luck with that one." Your idiotic, lying statement illustrates why self-government ultimately does not work. No one is campaigning on taking 80 and 90 year olds off medicare, but your party of corrupt liars like Pelosi, Reid and Obama SAY the other party is, and stupid welfare queens and corrupt union hacks beleive it. And the other party, which seems happy to play second fiddle and get the crumbs the dems leave behind, is too incompetent - or not interested - in correcting the perception. Enjoy the ride as the USA goes into bankruptcy and ultimately oblivion. Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-05-25   11:45:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#21) (Edited) No one is campaigning on taking 80 and 90 year olds off medicare Did you not read the plan? Anyone age 55 or younger would get a voucher to buy private insurance once they qualify for medicare. Meaning that folks currently under 55 will, in their 80's and 90's, be shopping around for non- existent insurance. go65  posted on  2011-05-25   17:21:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: go65 (#31) Meaning that folks currently under 55 will, in their 80's and 90's, be shopping around for non- existent insurance. Well, let's be fair here. Some of them might be able to find insurance, provided they're prepared to pay $5,000+ per month for it. Skip Intro  posted on  2011-05-25   19:38:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: Skip Intro (#32) Well, let's be fair here. Some of them might be able to find insurance, provided they're prepared to pay $5,000+ per month for it. Nope. I've got a relative who is 90, with leukemia, her treatments are costing $6k a month, medicare covers $3k. And her other medical needs would easily run her over $5k a month. There's no way she could ever buy insurance. Bottom line to folks like Dodge, let them die. go65  posted on  2011-05-26   9:57:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #42. To: go65 (#39) Nope. I've got a relative who is 90, with leukemia, her treatments are costing $6k a month, medicare covers $3k. And her other medical needs would easily run her over $5k a month. There's no way she could ever buy insurance. Bottom line to folks like Dodge, let them die. Hey, I've got an idea! It's a radical concept, though. Get your family members together, and take up a collection! Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-05-26   11:12:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #43. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#42) Get your family members together, and take up a collection! and if you can't collect enough, then go without and die. Like I said, at least you are being honest in not caring if people die because they can't afford medical care. go65  posted on  2011-05-26   23:34:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #44. To: go65 (#43) then go without and die. I hate to be the one to break this to you, but we're all going to die. If you have a problem with that, take it up with God. Look, not to make this too simple, but I've decided I need a brand new Lincoln to take my carcass back and forth to work. There's just one problem - all I can afford is my 12 year old Chrysler with 145,000 miles. So guess what I'm driving? Heath care is of course a much more emotional topic - since it involves life and death issues. But if you can get past the anecdotal stories, it really boils down to the same thing. Health care - just like the Lincoln - is extremely expensive. I don't think we're at the point where we expect the gov't to purchase a Lincoln for everyone (at least I hope not), but we do seem to be at the point where we expect it to buy universal heath care (which is MUCH more expensive). We all have stories to tell. Myself, I had open heart surgery in '05 with a quadruple bypass. My employer provided excellent insurance at the time, so all it ended up costing me was less than $1000 (plus the premiums I had been paying the 6 years before that.) Here I am, 6 years later, and I'm having heart issues again. Our current insurance has a $5,200 deductible. I cannot afford spending $5,200 at this time, so I have to make some choices. And, part of the reason I'm having the issues I'm having is because I didn't follow all the things I was supposed to do the last time (change diet, exercise more, etc.) My choices, my problem. So the bottom line - through a combination of factors - some hereditary, some self inflicted - I find myself at 58 years old with a life expectancy of maybe 65 or 70 at the outside. The luck of the draw. I wish people like you - though you are probably well-intentioned - would get it through your heads that government simply CANNOT provide cradle-to-grave care for everyone. It has NEVER worked, and it never WILL work. All we'll end up with is crappy health care, with lines and shortages. And a bankrupt government to boot. Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-05-27   10:56:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #46. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#44) I wish people like you - though you are probably well-intentioned - would get it through your heads that government simply CANNOT provide cradle-to-grave care for everyone. It has NEVER worked, and it never WILL work. All we'll end up with is crappy health care, with lines and shortages. It seems to me that having insurance you can't afford to utilize qualifies as "crappy health care". Since you're "only" 58, just wait to see what your premiums rise to when you hit 60, then imagine what they'd be at 65 without Medicare. If you're self-insured - doubtful given your health history - you can triple or quadruple those premiums, provided you could buy insurance from the "free market" at all. Skip Intro  posted on  2011-05-27   11:29:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #52. To: Skip Intro (#46) It seems to me that having insurance you can't afford to utilize qualifies as "crappy health care". Since you're "only" 58, just wait to see what your premiums rise to when you hit 60, then imagine what they'd be at 65 without Medicare. If you're self-insured - doubtful given your health history - you can triple or quadruple those premiums, provided you could buy insurance from the "free market" at all. I'm not surprised you missed the point. Here - I'll explain it again. Life is unfair. I cannot expect everyone else (aka the government) to provide for me what I cannot provide for myself. Insurance companies - being that they are free market entities - will charge whatever they have to charge to stay in business. If I work for an employer who can provide group coverage (and I can afford the premiums), then I am lucky, indeed. If it gets too expensive, then I do without. Why should I expect some other entity like the government - which only makes money by printing it - to ultimately go broke by providing for me? You do understand that "broke" and "bankrupt" means that health care will be provided for no-one. Right? Why is that concept so difficult for you to understand? Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-05-27   11:39:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #53. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#52) You do understand that "broke" and "bankrupt" means that health care will be provided for no-one. Right? I guess we'll also be shutting down the military then, since they run a huge deficit every single year. Get a grip. Medicare is going nowhere. Skip Intro  posted on  2011-05-27   11:48:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #55. To: Skip Intro (#53) (Edited) I guess we'll also be shutting down the military then, since they run a huge deficit every single year. Providing for the common defense is one of the few things the gov't does that's actually Constitutional - so what's your point? I would like to see us being less the world policeman, though. Like pretty much everything else the gov't does, they've f**ked that up, too. Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-05-27   11:52:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #59. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#55) Providing for the common defense is one of the few things the gov't does that's actually Constitutional - so what's your point? If we're bankrupt how are we supposed to keep paying for it? Does the Constitution say we can run an infinite debt to be the worlds police force? Skip Intro  posted on  2011-05-27   11:57:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 59.         There are no replies to Comment # 59. End Trace Mode for Comment # 59. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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