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Title: NY 26: Democrats should thank Paul Ryan
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URL Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs ... /2011/05/24/AFkPkrAH_blog.html
Published: May 24, 2011
Author: EJ Dionne
Post Date: 2011-05-24 23:58:48 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 35497
Comments: 67
There is no way for Republicans to spin away Democrat Kathy Hochul’s victory in New York’s deeply red 26th congressional district. This is a big setback for Paul Ryan’s budget and a warning for Republican incumbents everywhere. This is simply not a district a Republican should have lost. Conservative overreach has clearly woken up Democrats and has gone down badly with independents. The GOP can’t claim that Republican Jane Corwin lost because of a vote split with Tea Party candidate Jack Davis. With 87 percent of the precincts in, Hochul had 48 percent to Corwin’s 42 percent. Davis got just 9 percent, and the Green Party candidate picked up 1 percent. Let’s assume Hochul drops a point when the missing precints, which are mostly from Republican areas, are in. Republicans can’t claim that all of the votes that went to Davis, a former Democrat, would have gone to Corwin.
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#22. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#1)
Yes it is...but its designed to distract from the ugly reality Democrats face next year. A failed one term President. They can't run on anything of substance. Economy? Not hardly. Deficit reduction as Owe-bama promised? That would be laugh out loud funny if not for the fact he appears either oblivious to the danger, or alternatively, seems determined to destroy the country via bankruptcy. Funny how they don't want to talk about that race in Wisconsin, isn't it?
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Another bit of fantasyland thinking from DNC talking point memo's.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
rotflmao. A great example of what I noted just yesterday here. You two have the combined political IQ of a flea.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Yes it is...but its designed to distract from the ugly reality Democrats face next year. A failed one term President. There is a lesson to be learned here (but you won't hear it on the media): Obama can win next year, IF: The best thing - perhaps the only thing - Obama has going for him is that he will be running against a republican. So don't count him out.
Here's some of your predictions, Boofer: Bush will beat Gore by 9% and by well over 100 in the EC. Bush will defeat Kerry in a landslide. The Dems will not take one chamber let alone two in 2006. Ken Blackwell be the next governor of Ohio [2006]. McCain will never be the nominee in 2008. If you want to know why, look at South Carolina in 2000. Hillary won't seek the nomination [2008]. Gingrich will be the GOP nominee in 2008. Romney will be the GOP nominee in 2008. McCain did worse in New Hampshire in 2008 than he did in 2000. He'll lose to Romney. The GOP will take 90 seats in the House and will have a majority in the Senate [2010].
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." I think #2 is the biggest potential failure next year. Thats basically what that idiot McCain did. But the end game remains the same, its about the economy. If unemployment is 8% or greater, Owe-bama most certainly gets fired. If its not, he has a chance, but a slim one, of being rehired. Thats how I see it.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Bush will beat Gore by 9% and by well over 100 in the EC. Bush will defeat Kerry in a landslide. The Dems will not take one chamber let alone two in 2006. Ken Blackwell be the next governor of Ohio [2006]. McCain will never be the nominee in 2008. If you want to know why, look at South Carolina in 2000. Hillary won't seek the nomination [2008]. Gingrich will be the GOP nominee in 2008. Romney will be the GOP nominee in 2008. McCain did worse in New Hampshire in 2008 than he did in 2000. He'll lose to Romney. The GOP will take 90 seats in the House and will have a majority in the Senate [2010]. Chuckle. And unemployment would go over 10% after the November election!
"Thats because your basically and idiot." 3. Republicans run a nutjob like Palin or Bachmann
"Thats because your basically and idiot." It was enacted last year, and according to the CBO, it reduces medicare spending.
"Thats because your basically and idiot." Did you not read the plan? Anyone age 55 or younger would get a voucher to buy private insurance once they qualify for medicare. Meaning that folks currently under 55 will, in their 80's and 90's, be shopping around for non- existent insurance.
"Thats because your basically and idiot." Well, let's be fair here. Some of them might be able to find insurance, provided they're prepared to pay $5,000+ per month for it.
You know what? I actually agree with that. Republicans ran a "nutjob" in '64. He didn't win, either. And look how well THAT turned out.
Ugly. That’s the best spin one can put on the just-released Congressional Budget Office analysis of President Obama’s budget. Deficits are above 4.1 percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) for the next ten years and rising at the end of the budget window. Debt in the hands of the public doubles and the debt-to-GDP ratio rises above 87 percent. Net interest is almost 20 percent of revenues — even with big tax increases — in 2020. The result: downgrade as a sovereign borrower in 2018. That’s ugly.
Rhetorical question: Is anyone in the socialist utopia you envision ever responsible for themselves?
After your demigod Obama saddles us with hyper-inflation, 5,000 per month may not be a bad deal. I can see the ads now: "Now YOU can get a month's worth of health insurance for just the price of a cup of coffee . . ."
Why do you idiots say moronic things like this? Are you paying for your own insurance? Do you have a clue what it costs an individual to buy their own?
At least Republicans are finally coming clean on their belief that those who can't afford their medical care should be left to die. I'd still like to see a major GOP figure, like say Paul Ryan, categorically state that "so be it" if seniors, children, or anyone else dies because they can't afford medical care. As I've long stated, the GOP is only pro-life up to the point of birth.
"Thats because your basically and idiot." Nope. I've got a relative who is 90, with leukemia, her treatments are costing $6k a month, medicare covers $3k. And her other medical needs would easily run her over $5k a month. There's no way she could ever buy insurance. Bottom line to folks like Dodge, let them die.
"Thats because your basically and idiot." Medicare just kicked my mom out of the hospital two days after she had a major stroke.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." And unemployment would go over 10% after the November election! HEADLINE number don't forget...he's trying to weasle by citing the other series... But, as usual... Oh, Irony, thy name is Boofer...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." There's no way she could ever buy insurance. Bottom line to folks like Dodge, let them die. Hey, I've got an idea! It's a radical concept, though. Get your family members together, and take up a collection!
and if you can't collect enough, then go without and die. Like I said, at least you are being honest in not caring if people die because they can't afford medical care.
"Thats because your basically and idiot." I hate to be the one to break this to you, but we're all going to die. If you have a problem with that, take it up with God. Look, not to make this too simple, but I've decided I need a brand new Lincoln to take my carcass back and forth to work. There's just one problem - all I can afford is my 12 year old Chrysler with 145,000 miles. So guess what I'm driving? Heath care is of course a much more emotional topic - since it involves life and death issues. But if you can get past the anecdotal stories, it really boils down to the same thing. Health care - just like the Lincoln - is extremely expensive. I don't think we're at the point where we expect the gov't to purchase a Lincoln for everyone (at least I hope not), but we do seem to be at the point where we expect it to buy universal heath care (which is MUCH more expensive). We all have stories to tell. Myself, I had open heart surgery in '05 with a quadruple bypass. My employer provided excellent insurance at the time, so all it ended up costing me was less than $1000 (plus the premiums I had been paying the 6 years before that.) Here I am, 6 years later, and I'm having heart issues again. Our current insurance has a $5,200 deductible. I cannot afford spending $5,200 at this time, so I have to make some choices. And, part of the reason I'm having the issues I'm having is because I didn't follow all the things I was supposed to do the last time (change diet, exercise more, etc.) My choices, my problem. So the bottom line - through a combination of factors - some hereditary, some self inflicted - I find myself at 58 years old with a life expectancy of maybe 65 or 70 at the outside. The luck of the draw. I wish people like you - though you are probably well-intentioned - would get it through your heads that government simply CANNOT provide cradle-to-grave care for everyone. It has NEVER worked, and it never WILL work. All we'll end up with is crappy health care, with lines and shortages. And a bankrupt government to boot.
So why are Conservatives so upset with abortion? I mean we're all going to die anyway? Countries with universal health insurance pay less than we do, and get better results (life expectancy, days sick, and so on). Conservatives want to ignore that because it doesn't fit with their ideology. Go look at Israel, Switzerland, Germany, Canada, Japan, Singapore, and so on. I also urge you to look at the economic constraints introduced by people too afraid to leave their jobs and start businesses because of fear of cost/loss of access to health insurance.
"Thats because your basically and idiot." It seems to me that having insurance you can't afford to utilize qualifies as "crappy health care". Since you're "only" 58, just wait to see what your premiums rise to when you hit 60, then imagine what they'd be at 65 without Medicare. If you're self-insured - doubtful given your health history - you can triple or quadruple those premiums, provided you could buy insurance from the "free market" at all.
So why are Conservatives so upset with abortion? I mean we're all going to die anyway? I you have to ask THAT question, I can't help you. Check with your your shaman.
These countries differ in one important regard with the USA: They do not play at being world policeman. Get them to take on more of THAT responsibility, and then make your case.
That's true, but they also have socialized health insurance (not health care, but health insurance), and as a result, pay less and get more. I don't know about you, but I'd rather pay less and get more then pay more and get less.
"Thats because your basically and idiot." The Reagan ideological movement of smaller govt is a failure. Why do you cling to a failed Republican Reagan era ideology? The nations that are doing well on this earth are the nations with a mixed form of govt. It is not just economics doing better but their people are more free. Less crime and less people in jail than America. I know it is hard to leave behind things you tok for granted - but when a god is proven false you move on rather than double down on failure. There is less social mobility in the USA now than in Europe. It is not even a debatable - the ideology of the last 30 - 40 years that limited govt - no govt - unrestrained capitalism solves all problems has been proven a failure.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
They do not play at being world policeman. That is of the stupidest logic. Americans should live badly just so we make sure the USA can maintain over 200 military bases around the world, etc. That is insanity. Fuck the military industrial complex.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Since you're "only" 58, just wait to see what your premiums rise to when you hit 60, then imagine what they'd be at 65 without Medicare. If you're self-insured - doubtful given your health history - you can triple or quadruple those premiums, provided you could buy insurance from the "free market" at all. I'm not surprised you missed the point. Here - I'll explain it again. Life is unfair. I cannot expect everyone else (aka the government) to provide for me what I cannot provide for myself. Insurance companies - being that they are free market entities - will charge whatever they have to charge to stay in business. If I work for an employer who can provide group coverage (and I can afford the premiums), then I am lucky, indeed. If it gets too expensive, then I do without. Why should I expect some other entity like the government - which only makes money by printing it - to ultimately go broke by providing for me? You do understand that "broke" and "bankrupt" means that health care will be provided for no-one. Right? Why is that concept so difficult for you to understand?
I guess we'll also be shutting down the military then, since they run a huge deficit every single year. Get a grip. Medicare is going nowhere.
Because we as a society benefit when our population is healthy.
"Thats because your basically and idiot." Providing for the common defense is one of the few things the gov't does that's actually Constitutional - so what's your point? I would like to see us being less the world policeman, though. Like pretty much everything else the gov't does, they've f**ked that up, too.
so why do we have troops in 138 countries (or so)?
"Thats because your basically and idiot." Medicare is the one government program that actually works. They do it by stiffing doctors and hospitals on reimbursements, which should make people like Dodge happy. It's funny that the people who were up in arms about the alleged "death panels" of Sarah Palin would happily tell everyone over 65 to just drop dead. I can't wait to see the ads they'll be running supporting this GOP plan.
How so? My health is - and should be - my own business. If I die in 7-12 more years, how will that really affect society? The only ones who will care will be my family. I don't expect - nor do I want - a card from Obama.
If we're bankrupt how are we supposed to keep paying for it? Does the Constitution say we can run an infinite debt to be the worlds police force?
Good question. Ask your precious democrats.
Asking the oil companies would be easier.
Touche'...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI live in this district and I could tell you that this article is complete BS.
#23. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#20)
The reality is that the Ryan Medicare plan is now dead.
#24. To: go65 (#18)
Dems will regain the House and the GOP will resume its death spiral.
#25. To: Badeye (#24)
I live in this district and I could tell you that this article is complete BS.
1. Republicans run a moderate or a liberal, and not a principled conservative
2. Republicans fail to challenge democrat lies - like they want to shove granny off the cliff
#26. To: Badeye, go65 (#24)
You two have the combined political IQ of a flea.
--GW Bush
#27. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#25)
So don't count him out.
#28. To: war (#26)
Here's some of your predictions, Boofer:
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#29. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#25)
Obama can win next year, IF: 1. Republicans run a moderate or a liberal, and not a principled conservative 2. Republicans fail to challenge democrat lies - like they want to shove granny off the cliff
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#30. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#20)
And the Obama plan is . . . . ?
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#31. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#21)
(Edited)
No one is campaigning on taking 80 and 90 year olds off medicare
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#32. To: go65 (#31)
Meaning that folks currently under 55 will, in their 80's and 90's, be shopping around for non- existent insurance.
#33. To: go65 (#29)
3. Republicans run a nutjob like Palin or Bachmann
#34. To: go65 (#30)
And the Obama plan is . . . . ? It was enacted last year, and according to the CBO, it reduces medicare spending.
#35. To: go65 (#31)
Meaning that folks currently under 55 will, in their 80's and 90's, be shopping around for non- existent insurance.
#36. To: Skip Intro (#32)
Some of them might be able to find insurance, provided they're prepared to pay $5,000+ per month for it.
#37. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#36)
After your demigod Obama
#38. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#35)
Is anyone in the socialist utopia you envision ever responsible for themselves?
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#39. To: Skip Intro (#32)
Well, let's be fair here. Some of them might be able to find insurance, provided they're prepared to pay $5,000+ per month for it.
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#40. To: go65 (#39)
--GW Bush
#41. To: go65 (#28)
(Edited)
Chuckle.
--GW Bush
#42. To: go65 (#39)
Nope. I've got a relative who is 90, with leukemia, her treatments are costing $6k a month, medicare covers $3k. And her other medical needs would easily run her over $5k a month.
#43. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#42)
Get your family members together, and take up a collection!
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#44. To: go65 (#43)
then go without and die.
#45. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#44)
(Edited)
I hate to be the one to break this to you, but we're all going to die. If you have a problem with that, take it up with God.
Heath care is of course a much more emotional topic - since it involves life and death issues. But if you can get past the anecdotal stories, it really boils down to the same thing. Health care - just like the Lincoln - is extremely expensive. I don't think we're at the point where we expect the gov't to purchase a Lincoln for everyone (at least I hope not), but we do seem to be at the point where we expect it to buy universal heath care (which is MUCH more expensive).
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#46. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#44)
I wish people like you - though you are probably well-intentioned - would get it through your heads that government simply CANNOT provide cradle-to-grave care for everyone. It has NEVER worked, and it never WILL work. All we'll end up with is crappy health care, with lines and shortages.
#47. To: go65 (#45)
I hate to be the one to break this to you, but we're all going to die. If you have a problem with that, take it up with God.
#48. To: go65 (#45)
Go look at Israel, Switzerland, Germany, Canada, Japan, Singapore, and so on.
#49. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#48)
They do not play at being world policeman.
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#50. To: Skip Intro, Get Outta Dodge! (#46)
wish people like you - though you are probably well-intentioned - would get it through your heads that government simply CANNOT provide cradle-to-grave care for everyone. It has NEVER worked, and it never WILL work. All we'll end up with is crappy health care, with lines and shortages.
#51. To: Get Outta Dodge!, go65 (#48)
These countries differ in one important regard with the USA:
#52. To: Skip Intro (#46)
It seems to me that having insurance you can't afford to utilize qualifies as "crappy health care".
#53. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#52)
You do understand that "broke" and "bankrupt" means that health care will be provided for no-one. Right?
#54. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#52)
If it gets too expensive, then I do without. Why should I expect some other entity like the government - which only makes money by printing it - to ultimately go broke by providing for me?
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#55. To: Skip Intro (#53)
(Edited)
I guess we'll also be shutting down the military then, since they run a huge deficit every single year.
#56. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#55)
Providing for the common defense is one of the few things the gov't does that's actually Constitutional - so what's your point?
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#57. To: go65 (#54)
Because we as a society benefit when our population is healthy.
#58. To: go65 (#54)
Because we as a society benefit when our population is healthy.
#59. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#55)
Providing for the common defense is one of the few things the gov't does that's actually Constitutional - so what's your point?
#60. To: go65 (#56)
so why do we have troops in 138 countries (or so)?
#61. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#60)
Good question. Ask your precious democrats.
#62. To: mininggold (#61)
--GW Bush
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