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Title: Bin Laden Compound Assault, How Many U.S. Navy Seals Died?
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URL Source: http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article28263.html
Published: May 23, 2011
Author: Paul Craig Roberts
Post Date: 2011-05-23 13:52:27 by Capitalist Eric
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Comments: 56
In a sensational and explosive TV report, the Pakistani News Agency has provided a live interview with an eye witness to the US attack on the alleged compound of Osama bin Laden. The eye witness, Mohammad Bashir, describes the event as it unfolded. Of the three helicopters, "there was only one that landed the men and came back to pick them up, but as he [the helicopter] was picking them up, it blew away and caught fire." The witness says that there were no survivors, just dead bodies and pieces of bodies everywhere. "We saw the helicopter burning, we saw the dead bodies, then everything was removed and now there is nothing." I always wondered how a helicopter could crash, as the White House reported, without at least producing injuries. Yet, in the original White House story, the SEALs not only survived a 40-minute firefight with al Qaeda, "the most highly trained, most dangerous, most vicious killers on the planet," without a scratch, but also survived a helicopter crash without a scratch. The Pakistani news report is available on You Tube. The Internet site, Veterans Today, posted a translation along with a video of the interview. And, Information Clearing House made it available on May 17. If the interview is not a hoax and the translation is correct, we now know the answer to the unasked question: Why was there no White House ceremony with President Obama pinning medals all over the heroic SEALs who tracked down and executed Public Enemy Number One? The notion that Obama had to keep the SEALs' identity secret in order to protect the SEALs from al Qaeda detracts from the heroic tough-guy image of the SEALs, and it strains credulity that Obama's political handlers would not have milked the occasion for all it is worth. Other than on the Veterans Today and ICH Internet sites, I have not seen any mention of the Pakistani news story. If the White House press corps is aware of the report, no one has asked President Obama or his press spokesperson about it. Helen Thomas was the last American reporter sufficiently brave to ask such a question, and she was exterminated by the Israel Lobby. In America we have reached the point where anyone who tells the truth is dismissed as a "conspiracy theorist" and marginalized. Recently, a professor of nano-chemistry from the University of Copenhagen made a lecture tour of major Canadian universities explaining the research, conducted by himself and a team of physicists and engineers, that resulted in finding small particles of unreacted nano-thermite in dust samples from the wreckage of the World Trade Center towers in addition to other evidence that the professor and the research team regard as conclusive scientific proof that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition. No American university dared to invite him, and as far as I know no mention of the explosive research report has ever appeared in the American press. I find it astonishing that 1,500 architects and engineers, who actually know something about buildings, their construction, their strength and weaknesses, and who have repeatedly requested a real investigation of the destruction of the three WTC buildings, are regarded as conspiracy kooks by people who know nothing whatsoever about architecture or engineering or buildings. The same goes for the large number of pilots who question the flight maneuvers carried out during the attacks, and the surviving firemen and "first responders" who report both hearing and personally experiencing explosions in the towers, some of which occurred in sub-basements. A large number of high-ranking political figures abroad don't believe a word of the official 9/11 story. For example, the former president of Italy and dean of the Italian Senate, told Italy's oldest newspaper, Corriere delia Sera, that the intelligence services of Europe "know well that the disastrous [9/11] attack has been planned and realized by the American CIA and the [Israeli] Mossad . . . in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part in [the invasions]. Even people who report that there are dissenting views, as I have done, are branded conspiracy theorists and banned from the media. This extends into the Internet in addition to newspapers and TV. Not long ago a reporter for the Internet site, The Huffington Post, discovered that Pat Buchanan and I are critics of the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions. He was fascinated that there were some Reagan administration officials who dissented from the Republican Party's war position and asked to interview me. After he posted the interview on The Huffington Post, someone told him that I was not sound on 9/11. In a panic the reporter contacted me, demanding to know if I disbelieved the official 9/11 story. I replied that being neither architect, engineer, physicist, chemist, pilot, nor firefighter, I had little to contribute to understanding the event, but that I had reported that various experts had raised questions. The reporter was terrified that he might somehow have given a 9/11 skeptic credibility and be fired for interviewing me about my war views for The Huffington Post. He quickly added at the beginning and, if memory serves, ending of the posted interview words to the effect that my lack of soundness on 9/11 meant that my views on the wars could be disregarded. If only he had known that I was unsure about the official 9/11 story, there would have been no interview. One doesn't have to be a scientist, architect, engineer, pilot or firefighter to notice astonishing anomalies in the 9/11 story. Assume that the official story is correct and that a band of terrorists outwitted not only the CIA and FBI, but also all 16 US intelligence agencies and those of our NATO allies and Israel's notorious Mossad, along with the National Security Council, NORAD, air traffic control and airport security four times in one hour on the same morning. Accept that this group of terrorists pulled off a feat worthy of a James Bond movie and delivered a humiliating blow to the world's only superpower. If something like this really happened, would not the president, the Congress, and the media be demanding to know how such an improbable thing could have happened? Investigation and accountability would be the order of the day. Yet President Bush and Vice President Cheney resisted the pleas and demands for an investigation from the 9/11 families for one year, or was it two, before finally appointing a non-expert committee of politicians to listen to whatever the government chose to tell them. One of the politicians resigned from the commission on the grounds that "the fix is in." Even the two chairmen and the chief legal counsel of the 9/11 Commission wrote books in which they stated that they believe that members of the military and other parts of the government lied to the commission and that the commission considered referring the matter for investigation and prosecution. Thomas Kean, chairman of the 9/11 Commission, said: "FAA and NORAD officials advanced an account of 9/11 that was untrue . . . We, to this day don't know why NORAD told us what they told us . . . It was just so far from the truth." Vice Chairman Lee Hamilton said: "We had a very short time frame . . . we did not have enough money . . . We had a lot of people strongly opposed to what we did. We had a lot of trouble getting access to documents and to people. . . . So there were all kinds of reasons we thought we were set up to fail." As far as I know, not a single member of the government or the media made an issue of why the military would lie to the commission. This is another anomaly for which we have no explanation. The greatest puzzle is the conclusion drawn by a national audience from watching on their TV screens the collapse of the WTC towers. Most seem satisfied that the towers fell down as a result of structural damage inflicted by the airliners and from limited, low-temperature fires. Yet what the images show is not buildings falling down, but buildings blowing up. Buildings that are destroyed by fires and structural damage do not disintegrate in 10 seconds or less into fine dust with massive steel beams sliced at each floor level by high temperatures that building fires cannot attain. It has never happened, and it never will. Conduct an experiment. Free your mind of the programmed explanation of the towers' destruction and try to discern what your eyes are telling you as you watch the videos of the towers that are available online. Is that the way buildings fall down from damage, or is that the way buildings are brought down by explosives? Little doubt, many Americans prefer the official story to the implications that follow from concluding that the official story is untrue. If reports are correct, the US government has gone into the business of managing the public's perceptions of news and events. Apparently, the Pentagon has implemented Perception Management Psychological Operations. There are also reports that the State Department and other government agencies use Facebook and Twitter to stir up problems for the Syrian, Iranian, Russian, Chinese, and Venezuela governments in efforts to unseat governments not controlled by Washington. In addition, there are reports that both governments and private organizations employ "trolls" to surf the Internet and to attempt to discredit in blogs and comment sections reports and writers who are out of step with their interests. I believe I have encountered trolls myself. In addition to managing our perceptions, much is simply never reported. On May 19, 2011, the 14-decade-old British newspaper, The Statesman, reported that the Press Trust of India has reported that the Chinese government has warned Washington "in unequivocal terms that any attack on Pakistan would be construed as an attack on China," and advised the US government "to respect Pakistan's sovereignty." As trends forecaster Gerald Celente and I have warned, the warmongers in Washington are driving the world toward World War III. Once a country is captured by its military/security complex, the demand for profit drives the country deeper into war. Perhaps this news report from India is a hoax, or perhaps the never-diligent mainstream media will catch up with the news tomorrow, but so far this extraordinary warning from China has not been reported in the US media. [I had it posted on OEN.] The mainstream media and a significant portion of the Internet are content for our perceptions to be managed by psy-ops and by non-reporting. This is why I wrote not long ago that today Americans are living in George Orwell's 1984. Paul Craig Roberts [ email him ] was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during President Reagan's first term. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal . He has held numerous academic appointments, including the William E. Simon Chair, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University, and Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He was awarded the Legion of Honor by French President Francois Mitterrand. He is the author of Supply-Side Revolution : An Insider's Account of Policymaking in Washington ; Alienation and the Soviet Economy and Meltdown: Inside the Soviet Economy , and is the co-author with Lawrence M. Stratton of The Tyranny of Good Intentions : How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats Are Trampling the Constitution in the Name of Justice . Click here for Peter Brimelow's Forbes Magazine interview with Roberts about the recent epidemic of prosecutorial misconduct.
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#1. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)
Oh. You didn't see the flag-draped coffins?
Distance from the ground was not that far when it went down. Science.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
All of these armchair Hal Moore's from Boofer on down expected the information we were given to be 100% accurate. Frankly, the less I know about ops such as these the better I feel. Back when Boy Blunder was in charge, "How About A Nice Cup of Shut The Fuck Up" was their standard reply to any question about an operation. As McMullen said, "It's time to shut the fuck up about the raid."
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." science? What's that? :-)
"Thats because your basically and idiot." Dead men tell no tales about the childish political theater in which they were forced to participate. The human tripe that has commandeered government will kill us all if they are not stopped.
That doesn't surprise me, since that's the story of your life. You must be feeling REALLY good, these days.
List of those unable to think: Bumper sticker on DwarF's car: that complete HORSESHIT, everyone with a brain knows that the SEALS do not advertise or take personal credit for things like this, the SEALS have to keep their identities secret because that is the only way for them to protect their families from the cowardly pricks like the muzzie.
It's not that things are "tougher in alaska) it's that like yukon "alaskan men are so much weaker"
what the hell's wrong with you using logic on erica, that's unfair. BTW, i've proven yukon to be a draft dodging coward at LP, you should enjoy it.
It's not that things are "tougher in alaska) it's that like yukon "alaskan men are so much weaker"
The enemy of the Christian right.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
Not to mention the Enviro-mental left wingers.
war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.
Oh geezus, Erica...a layup and it still took you nearly an HOUR...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Get over it. I had a meeting.
List of those unable to think: Bumper sticker on DwarF's car: The enemy of the Christian right. Lucy you are so funny. I pity you. Get it right. The Bible says our enemy is "science falsely so called. Evolution isn't science. It is a fairy tale that serves the purpose of keeping many people ignorant about the creator. Basically calling God a liar.
Strange. The Jews don't seem to have a problem with it, only the crackpot christian right.
The Obama administration admits that one helicopter was disabled. The same as the Jimmy Carter Iran Hostage "rescue" operation. The real question is why the U.S. government can't land two helicopters without one f*cking up? It's truly amazing. So-called "conservatives" claim that they dislike big bureaucratic government, but they unquestionably support the military. Here's the sad, cold truth: the military is just another incompetent, wasteful government bureaucracy. So-called "conservatives" just don't get it.
ever hear of Murphy's laws of combat? One of them is "never forget your weapon is made by the lowest bidder"
"Thats because your basically and idiot." Source.
The US government wasn't flying the helicopters.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
You didn't know that the military is part of the government?
Who was? Aliens???
What a crappy article. Stop posting your useless shit. You goddamn idiots should be locked away.
------------------------------------- People fly helicopters, not government or the military.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
I don't know that verse, would you quote it.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
"I don't know that verse, would you quote it". 1 Timothy 6:20 (King James Version) "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science (gnosis) falsely so called" "God's Word is not a science book, but when it speaks about what we call "scientific" information, it is absolutely correct! The English word "science" comes from the Greek word "gnosis", meaning simply "knowledge". Gnosis is translated "knowledge" 28 times in the King James Version. One time "gnosis" is translated "science", in 1 Tim 6:20, where it is speaking of false oppositions of "so called science". Today, modern "science" still tends to "oppose" God's Word. Man cannot make a "law of science". Man cannot enforce a "law of science" either, we can only OBSERVE the laws that God designed into our universe! Try as hard as they may, men cannot disprove the Scriptures". /snip
Courtesy ping #24....
Ever heard of the commander and chief?
Thank You.
Thank you. Man cannot make a "law of science". Man cannot enforce a "law of science" either, we can only OBSERVE the laws that God designed into our universe! I doubt many scientists would have a problem with that statement. Try as hard as they may, men cannot disprove the Scriptures". Jews are still waiting for the messiah.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
I do believe that title sounds familiar, yes. What's your point?
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
You're welcome.
I'll bet commander IN chief sounds more so...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Another demonstration that you can't address facts. Thanks for the laugh.
List of those unable to think: Bumper sticker on DwarF's car: What "facts" are presented, Erica? Roberts' speculation is based upon a translated YouTube "news report".
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." If Eric was in the service he should know better. The Seal community is small and tight. If there were suddenly dead seals because of this mission, it isn't something that would be much of a secret. I trust the official report. No death benefits have been paid out, and all changes of personnel in regards to separation, transfer to the ready reserve, or death are always reported. There were no training accident deaths in this time frame, which is the only way they could have tried to mask a death somehow. Eric's talking out his ass.
That's redundant...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." You were never in the service, so the person talking out their ass... is you. But that's nothing new. The rest of your post... more bullshit. Typical. Thanks for the laugh.
List of those unable to think: Bumper sticker on DwarF's car: Want to put your money where your mouth is then? I post using my real name and I have DD 214s that I wouldn't mind turning some cash on. My first enlistment was from 21 Sep 76 to 20 Sep 79 when I was a 67N which is the MOS for UH-1H Helicopter repair and maintainance. I thoroughly know the UH-1H Iroquis and her T53-L13 engine. My DD for 214s are on file at the County Clerk and if you want to put your money where your mouth is, my Lawyer can access the DD form 214s and send certified copies to your lawyer. But you won't because you are too chicken to back your game. Care to wager, Eric? I'd be very pleased to take your money. I also have the Oregon Licence with the Veteran's information on it they came out with in recent years and I'm well known in the Roseburg V.A. syetem. What do you say, It would be fun to make you eat your words. -- Mike J. McCarthy
Legal actions such as Special Court Martials are public record too. I was Court Martialed (Special C.M.)at Tt. Bragg, N.C. while in Troop B 1/17th Airborne (Air) Cav in the 82nd Airborne Division for allegedly violating articles 89 and 90 of the UCMJ at Ft. Bragg, N.C. It was thrown out by Judge Colonel Babcock on the grounds the procecution failed to proved a Prima Facie case. There are lots of ways I can prove I was in the service. And I am serious, it would be a pleasure to take your money. That is easy to access.
I would have figured you for an Article 125
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
I went in as a Private E-1 and my DD form 214 shows me ETSing as a Sgt E-5. I also was a Crew Chief on flight status when I got out. I'm afraid I not only was quite competent, but smart enough to do better than average. I got in trouble because my C.O. Turner E. Grimesley didn't like my very outspoken political efficacy. I thought I could express myself politically as long as I did my job. After my Court martial I shut up about politics until I ETSed that first time in 1979. What the game was was to give me several Article 15s and then to throw me out as unable to adapt to the Army. They didn't expect me to be as formidable a fighter of that non judicial action as I was. I hired my own lawyer, Jack Carter who had been a prosecutor in the 82nd and a Military Judge in Special Forces at Ft. Bragg. I served honorably and actually did quite well. All provable if Erica wants to make me and our mouthpieces a little richer. For that matter, he now has the information to independently check my word with the court record at 18th Airborne Corp, which the 82nd is part of.
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#2. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)
I always wondered how a helicopter could crash, as the White House reported, without at least producing injuries.
#3. To: Godwinson (#2)
I always wondered how a helicopter could crash, as the White House reported, without at least producing injuries.
--GW Bush
#4. To: Godwinson (#2)
Distance from the ground was not that far when it went down. Science.
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#5. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)
Bin Laden Compound Assault, How Many U.S. Navy Seals Died?
#6. To: war (#3)
(Edited)
Frankly, the less I know ... the better I feel.
mcgowanjm, ferret mike, skippy, fartboy/yukko, white sands, bucky, lucys idiot mom, e_type_jackoff, go56, badlie, wreck, calCON, mininggold, war, Banjo Boris, Biff, Godwinson and meguro. If you're on the above list, you're too fucking stupid to hold a real conversation.
#7. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)
The notion that Obama had to keep the SEALs' identity secret in order to protect the SEALs from al Qaeda detracts from the heroic tough-guy image of the SEALs, and it strains credulity that Obama's political handlers would not have milked the occasion for all it is worth.
#8. To: Godwinson (#2)
Distance from the ground was not that far when it went down. Science.
#9. To: go65 (#4)
science? What's that? :-)
#10. To: lucysmom (#9)
#11. To: Capitalist Eric (#6)
(Edited)
That doesn't surprise me, since that's the story of your life. You must be feeling REALLY good, these days.
--GW Bush
#12. To: war (#11)
Oh geezus, Erica...a layup and it still took you nearly an HOUR...
mcgowanjm, ferret mike, skippy, fartboy/yukko, white sands, bucky, lucys idiot mom, e_type_jackoff, go56, badlie, wreck, calCON, mininggold, war, Banjo Boris, Biff, Godwinson and meguro. If you're on the above list, you're too fucking stupid to hold a real conversation.
#13. To: lucysmom (#9)
science? What's that? :-)
#14. To: A K A Stone (#13)
Evolution isn't science. It is a fairy tale that serves the purpose of keeping many people ignorant about the creator. Basically calling God a liar.
#15. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)
(Edited)
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#16. To: jwpegler (#15)
Here's the sad, cold truth: the military is just another incompetent, wasteful government bureaucracy. So-called "conservatives" just don't get it.
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#17. To: Skip Intro (#14)
Strange. The Jews don't seem to have a problem with it, only the crackpot christian right.
#18. To: jwpegler (#15)
The real question is why the U.S. government can't land two helicopters without one f*cking up?
#19. To: lucysmom (#18)
#20. To: lucysmom (#18)
The US government wasn't flying the helicopters
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#21. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#22. To: A K A Stone (#19)
You didn't know that the military is part of the government?
#23. To: A K A Stone (#13)
The Bible says our enemy is "science falsely so called.
#24. To: lucysmom (#23)
"The Bible says our enemy is "science falsely so called".
#25. To: A K A Stone (#24)
#26. To: lucysmom (#22)
#27. To: Murron (#25)
#28. To: Murron (#24)
1 Timothy 6:20 (King James Version)
#29. To: A K A Stone (#26)
Ever heard of the commander and chief?
#30. To: A K A Stone (#27)
Thank You.
#31. To: lucysmom (#29)
I do believe that title sounds familiar, yes.
--GW Bush
#32. To: Biff Tannen (#21)
What a crappy article. Stop posting your useless shit. You goddamn idiots should be locked away.
mcgowanjm, ferret mike, skippy, fartboy/yukko, white sands, bucky, lucys idiot mom, e_type_jackoff, go56, badlie, wreck, calCON, mininggold, war, Banjo Boris, Biff, Godwinson and meguro. If you're on the above list, you're too fucking stupid to hold a real conversation.
#33. To: Capitalist Eric (#32)
(Edited)
Another demonstration that you can't address facts.
--GW Bush
#34. To: war (#33)
#35. To: Ferret Mike (#34)
Eric's talking out his ass.
--GW Bush
#36. To: Ferret Mike (#34)
If Eric was in the service he should know better.
mcgowanjm, ferret mike, skippy, fartboy/yukko, white sands, bucky, lucys idiot mom, e_type_jackoff, go56, badlie, wreck, calCON, mininggold, war, Banjo Boris, Biff, Godwinson and meguro. If you're on the above list, you're too fucking stupid to hold a real conversation.
#37. To: Capitalist Eric (#36)
"You were never in the service, so the person talking out their ass... is you."
#38. To: Capitalist Eric (#36)
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#39. To: Ferret Mike (#38)
#40. To: no gnu taxes (#39)
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