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Title: Railways face radical overhaul to give 'better deal for all'
Source: Guardian
URL Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/m ... railways-face-radical-overhaul
Published: May 20, 2011
Author: Guardian
Post Date: 2011-05-20 10:16:01 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 58007
Comments: 75

Commuters face the biggest shakeup of the railways since the ignominious Railtrack era after a government-commissioned report called for £1bn in costs to be stripped out of the industry – and for it to give all involved a "better deal".

An overhaul of the fares system was the most eye-catching recommendation in a study by Sir Roy McNulty, former chairman of the Civil Aviation Authority. The report into rail industry costs also outlined changes to slash the £5.2bn state subsidy, including phasing out ticket offices in small stations, removing conductors and giving train operators control of maintenance on some routes.

McNulty said fares in the UK were 30% higher than in France, Holland, Sweden and Switzerland, with operating costs running 40% higher than those countries. "There is a clear imperative to give both farepayers and taxpayers a better deal," McNulty said. "This industry has a serious cost deficiency issue to address. Everyone concerned must be aware that passengers are paying above the odds."

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#1. To: CZ82, Jwpegler, godwinson (#0)

Britian's rail privatization of rail hasn't gone so well.

go65  posted on  2011-05-20   10:17:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: go65, capitalist eric, CZ82, godwinson (#1)

Britian's rail privatization of rail hasn't gone so well.

Passenger rail is an inflexible, cost prohibitive, and obsolete concept.

Very few, if any, passenger rail systems in the world cover their operating costs, let alone make a profit.

From an Amtrack study (pdf):

When all revenues and expenses for the entire passenger train system are taken into consideration, European Passenger Train Operations operate at a financial loss and consequently require significant Public Subsidies...

For example, DB reports profits of about $1.94 per train mile while the railroad is receiving $36.78 in public funding. When public funding is taken into consideration, DB Train Operations actually cost the German government $34.88 per train mile. Similarly, passenger rail operations in the other five European countries cost their governments between $13.77 to $27.78 per train mile...

jwpegler  posted on  2011-05-20   12:05:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: jwpegler, go65, capitalist eric, CZ82 (#3)

Very few, if any, passenger rail systems in the world cover their operating costs, let alone make a profit.

You think airport facilities make money?

How much direct profit does the federal highway system generate?

In Germany, the public also funds the autobahn system - it is very expensive because cars have no speed limit the road has to be built from high grade materials unlike American roads which is asphalt tops (faster speed limits wear out roads).

Where do you conservative morons get the notion that for an entity to exist for the greater good it needs to generate a profit?

Why do you want to turn America into Somalia or Haiti? Those are nations that have no infrastructure spending by the govt.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-05-20   13:01:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Godwinson (#11) (Edited)

In Germany, the public also funds the autobahn system... cars have no speed limit

I've actually driven on the Autobahn many times. How about you? My guess is that you learned the little you know from a book and have never actually driven on it.

The last time I was in Germany I drove from Berlin to Heidelberg. It took 9 hours, including a stop for lunch in Dresden. I was going 200kph (120mph). People were passing me like I was standing still.

There are speed limits on the autobahn before and after major on/off ramps in towns and also throughout the limits of large cities.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-05-20   13:24:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: jwpegler (#17)

I've actually driven on the Autobahn many times. How about you?

Did they make you get a German drivers license before they let you lease a vehicle??????

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-20   18:16:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: CZ82 (#66) (Edited)

Did they make you get a German drivers license before they let you lease a vehicle??????

Nope. American licenses work in most European countries.

I've rented cars and driven in Europe dozens and dozens of times. No problem.

I don't drive in the third world. When I go to India I hire a driver. When I go to the Philippines I use the Jeepneys. When I go anywhere else in the third world I rent taxis.

I won't drive in Japan. They drive on the left side of the road. Almost none of the street signs are in English.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-05-20   18:51:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: jwpegler (#70)

Did they make you get a German drivers license before they let you lease a vehicle??????

Nope. American licenses work in Europe.

I just wondered.... when I was there back in the 80s I had to get a German drivers license before I could drive any vehicles, even military... Looks like some things have changed since I was there last....

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-20   19:03:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: CZ82 (#71) (Edited)

My understanding is that it's on a state by state basis. Some states have drivers license agreements with foreign countries. I live in Washington. Boeing and Microsoft make Washington the #1 exporter in America. We have driver's license agreements with most of the major countries that Boeing and Microsoft do business with.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-05-20   19:13:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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