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Title: Railways face radical overhaul to give 'better deal for all'
Source: Guardian
URL Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/m ... railways-face-radical-overhaul
Published: May 20, 2011
Author: Guardian
Post Date: 2011-05-20 10:16:01 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 56688
Comments: 75

Commuters face the biggest shakeup of the railways since the ignominious Railtrack era after a government-commissioned report called for £1bn in costs to be stripped out of the industry – and for it to give all involved a "better deal".

An overhaul of the fares system was the most eye-catching recommendation in a study by Sir Roy McNulty, former chairman of the Civil Aviation Authority. The report into rail industry costs also outlined changes to slash the £5.2bn state subsidy, including phasing out ticket offices in small stations, removing conductors and giving train operators control of maintenance on some routes.

McNulty said fares in the UK were 30% higher than in France, Holland, Sweden and Switzerland, with operating costs running 40% higher than those countries. "There is a clear imperative to give both farepayers and taxpayers a better deal," McNulty said. "This industry has a serious cost deficiency issue to address. Everyone concerned must be aware that passengers are paying above the odds."

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#1. To: CZ82, Jwpegler, godwinson (#0)

Britian's rail privatization of rail hasn't gone so well.

go65  posted on  2011-05-20   10:17:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: go65, capitalist eric, CZ82, godwinson (#1)

Britian's rail privatization of rail hasn't gone so well.

Passenger rail is an inflexible, cost prohibitive, and obsolete concept.

Very few, if any, passenger rail systems in the world cover their operating costs, let alone make a profit.

From an Amtrack study (pdf):

When all revenues and expenses for the entire passenger train system are taken into consideration, European Passenger Train Operations operate at a financial loss and consequently require significant Public Subsidies...

For example, DB reports profits of about $1.94 per train mile while the railroad is receiving $36.78 in public funding. When public funding is taken into consideration, DB Train Operations actually cost the German government $34.88 per train mile. Similarly, passenger rail operations in the other five European countries cost their governments between $13.77 to $27.78 per train mile...

jwpegler  posted on  2011-05-20   12:05:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: jwpegler, go65, capitalist eric, CZ82 (#3)

Very few, if any, passenger rail systems in the world cover their operating costs, let alone make a profit.

You think airport facilities make money?

How much direct profit does the federal highway system generate?

In Germany, the public also funds the autobahn system - it is very expensive because cars have no speed limit the road has to be built from high grade materials unlike American roads which is asphalt tops (faster speed limits wear out roads).

Where do you conservative morons get the notion that for an entity to exist for the greater good it needs to generate a profit?

Why do you want to turn America into Somalia or Haiti? Those are nations that have no infrastructure spending by the govt.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-05-20   13:01:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Godwinson (#11)

the greater good

There is no such thing as the "greater good". It's a leftist delusion.

Every government action hurts someone (and usually a whole lot of people) because every single thing the government does is based on force at some fundamental level.

The market creates win-win situations. Buyers, sellers, partners... either all parties perceive a benefit to themselves or the transaction doesn't take place.

And no, I am not a conservative. I am a libertarian and always have been.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-05-20   13:19:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: jwpegler (#16)

There is no such thing as the "greater good". It's a leftist delusion.

Actually it's tenet that most well functioning families respect.

mininggold  posted on  2011-05-20   13:30:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: mininggold (#21)

families

Families are based on voluntary relationships. I voluntary get married, have kids, etc.

Government is not family. It's force, backed up by people with guns and prison.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-05-20   13:36:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#25. To: jwpegler (#24)

Families are based on voluntary relationships. I voluntary get married, have kids, etc

Your family does not consist of only YOU. Ask your kids what they think of the fact that you think they volunteered for the job.

mininggold  posted on  2011-05-20 13:39:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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