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Title: Nursing Home Industry Unleashes Scathing Advert Decrying Governor Kasich's Proposed Cuts
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clevelandleader.com
URL Source: http://www.clevelandleader.com/taxonomy/term/13
Published: May 15, 2011
Author: Eugene McCormick
Post Date: 2011-05-15 12:25:50 by Ferret Mike
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Views: 7196
Comments: 70
Remember when the Republicans were talking about "death panels" during the national health care debate last year? That seems to be the message of what the Ohio Health Care Association is depicting in their new television advertisements that have been popping up around the dial in response to gutting skilled nursing care, aka nursing homes, by $470 Million dollars. The scary thing about it though, is if the cuts do come, not only jobs will be lost but likely lives as well as senior citizens will need to find new options for long-term health care. With the loss in funding, facilities such as Metro Health Center for Skilled Nursing Facility here in Cleveland would either close or services down to a bare minimum level. Laughably, Kasich says he is being bullied by the group telling the Plain Dealer: If there is someone who knows a thing or two about bullying, it is Kasich himself who famously said following his election. 
"For them to get their way would continue a precedent of bullying, intimidation and the power of special interests in our state."
"We need you on the bus, and if you're not on the bus, we will run over you with the bus. And I'm not kidding.".
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#1. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
Maybe the taxpayers can get some of their money back and save for their own retirement instead of someone elses. Maybe the taxpayers will be able to take their kids on a vacation. Maybe that will have to pay less taxes giving them the opportunity to send their kids to college. Maybe if they spend less people will have more money in their pocket to buy granny a mobile wheel chair. The possibilities are endless. I'm excited.
Or maybe the taxpayers will have to choose between college for the kids and care for grandma.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
With more of their own money in their pocket they will have a better chance. They wont have to feel guilty about taking stolen money.
Maybe if we can get corporations to see that without spending power, no one will buy their goods and keep them in business. Maybe if we can get these corporations from using globalization to move their factories to the most desperate place in the world willing to tale pennies on the dollar for the value of the labor people do there, people will have money for those amenities like a vacation. Right now the disparity of wealth, where a few percent of people own and control a huge portion of property and capital assets, there is naturally going to be the problems in the economy we are experiencing now. All these people who have money and power want is more money and power, so naturally there are going to find scapegoats to hide their lack of good ethical behavior, greed and megalomania and to try to provide cover allowing them to keep sucking the people dry and to further dis-empower and destroy the middle class. Your sentiments are noted and your frustrations are actually understood, but you miss the cause and effect for the problems we are facing economically and politically in Ohio and the rest of this country.
This article wasn't about corporations sending jobs overseas. But I will bite. The solution to that isn't to keep stealing from taxpayers to give to someone else. The solution is tariffs. Very simple. You move your company overseas. Fine to that. But when you send the good back across our border we are going to more then make up the difference you saved on slave labor.
Like the way people like the Koch Bros and others should feel guilty by trying to buy the government with undeclared millions dumped into election campaigns and into the work of lobbyists working for them? Seeing how someone seems to have been able to get the SCOTUS to gut decades of carefully crafted campaign finance law, shouldn't someone feel guilty about that too? It's nice you seem to care about guilt, but perhaps the need to feel guilty cuts the other way more often than you normally care to admit it does.
Mike telling people they can't speak is unconstitutional.
You'd better buy some good insurance to cover nursing home care now or have a whole lot of money in your pocket. They wont have to feel guilty about taking stolen money. There isn't much of a government to steal your money in Somalia. The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
Care to elaborate furry one?
Living in a nursing home isn't a right. It isn't right to steal from someone elses hard work to give it to someone else. Even if it would make their life easier. Stealing is stealing. You liberals have so many programs that you want to fund. Well the working people are sick of paying their money and not being able to afford things to pay for your collective pipe dream.
Somalia??? We don't live in Somalia. At least I don't.
You want to turn my country into a Somalia.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
I agree tariffs are part of the solution, and I am against globalization of trade that has dismantled out industrial base so deeply. We need to punish job carpetbagging and to get back to making things again. We need to be innovative and to do the product development and research it takes to stay in the front and to be on top of or game in running our economy. So on this point we do have some agreement. But you seem to trust the rich and powerful more than I do. Unless we start seeing people with spending power it's going to be hard to prospering as I remember seeing America do in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s.
You want to turn my country into a Somalia. So the nation was Somalia at its founding? Was it Somalia prior to that piece of shit FDR?
Mike I know for some strange reason you don't see Reagans greatness. But please be honest. The 80's were more prosperous than the 70's.
When you have people play by the rules, work hard all their lives with all the sacrifices like paying taxes and raising their kids get old and sick enough to see all their savings and possessions stripped away for basic care they need medically or their day to day life, making them die on the streets isn't fair, humane, or just.
That isn't going to happen under Obama. He lied during the Ohio campaign about NAFTA then took it back. So I would think with this revelation you wont be supporting Obama again. Is that correct?
The world ran quite a lot better before the progressive/liberal/commies came around and made all these promises to steal from productive individuals. Collectivism is a mental disorder.
Reaping the benefits of the hard work of others, and the blessings government provides like paved roads, law enforcement, protection of property rights, research, etc while without paying taxes or fair wages is stealing.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
I knew Reagan when he was a governor. I know too much about him to consider him to be worthy of the office he held. I still not impressed by him him and never liked him even slightly as a leader. I liked watching him on Death Valley Days as a boy, and that's abut it.
So you do think that Obama/govt is sort of like a God.
Your Messiah Obunghole destroys property rights.
Well it is sure strange how Europe and other places take care of their old and young efficiency, economically and humanely, but somehow we can't. And it is strange to see someone who allegedly is so pro life and focused on abortion not seem to understand that unless you protect people as they get older or gravely ill too, your pro life words are very empty to behold.
Our first government under the Articles of Confederation were closer to the Libertarian ideal, but that wasn't working out so well so the founding fathers drafted the Constitution and established a new government with greater powers including taxation. If the people you admire, who hated FDR along with you, had their way, the US could well have gone down the fascist road with Hitler. That is what they wanted for the US, a fascist government.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
That better running world never existed, its a fantasy. Collectivism is a mental disorder. Then, I trust, you don't bother with insurance.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
Don't be absurd!
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
I doubt he knows about the coup Prescott Bush and others tried to get away with to create a government simular to the one they admired most in the 1930s which was the one in Germany that gave us holicosts and world war. And he can't see that Reagan was a huge problem as far as taxes went. The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 was, at the time, the largest peacetime tax increase in U.S. history. And it happened on Reagan's watch. Reagan signed measures that increased federal taxes every year of his presidency except the first and the last. Such as a higher gasoline levy, a 1986 tax reform deal that included the largest corporate tax increase in American history, and a substantial raise in payroll taxes in 1983 as part of a deal to keep Social Security solvent. Under Reagan, wealthy Americans benefitted from Reagan's tax policies, blue- collar Americans paid a higher percentage of their income in taxes when Reagan left office than when he came in. The last thing we need in this country is a pander to the rich and tax the middle class and poor president like Reagan was.
I'm sure he does, though he seems to have had some sticking point in his life about having liability insurance on his automobile.
The Reagan who is the hero of the Republican party is largely a mythical figure. He certainly wasn't a defender of Constitutional rights.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
What makes you think Stone believes that would have been a bad thing? Stone couldn't care less about the living; he's only interested in fetuses. Just look at how many times he calls for those he dislikes to be killed. He would have made a perfect Nazi.
Liability insurance, what you have to pay for the damage you do to other persons or property - figures.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
He also seems to miss the fact that although Reagan whom he thinks as a demi- god talked in 1983 about his staunch opposition to abortion in a book he had published, he had legalized abortion in California as governor in the late 1960s, he never sought a constitutional ban on abortion.
There is something perverse in passionately protecting the life of a fetus while campaigning against that same fetus getting a fair shake in life after its delivered into the world.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
More Liberal horseshit, tell the lie enough people will believe it..... "MOST" nursing homes are owned by private individuals, religious organizations and major corporations..... ("NOT" state or county owned and operated....) Those homes do make a profit, if not then they are shut down..... "MOST" inhabitants of those nursing homes are private pay or insurance pay.... "MOST" facilities only take a certain percentage of Medicaid (State paid) patients.... WHY?? Because they owners of the nursing homes can only charge so much for those patients.... (I.E. less profit than private pay patients....) Ohio spends more per person on nursing home care than all but five states. Ohio has more nursing homes than all but two states. So what they are claiming is false, because the State does not fund that many facilities...... "MOST" of what the State pays out is for the Medicaid patients.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Some interesting statistics: Nursing facility reimbursement in the United States (1) 8 percent Medicare; 68 percent Medicaid; 23 percent private pay. Take a look at the rest www.efmoody.com/longterm/nursingstatistics.html In California when the Republicans block passage of the budget (this happens annually) nursing homes don't get paid, they have to go to the bank, get a loan, pay interest to stay open until a budget passes. Some don't make it and go belly up.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
John Kasich will be the first Ohio governor in a generation to forgo the secure confines of the state-owned Governor's Residence in Bexley in favor of his private residence, which means taxpayers will pay for security improvements at Kasich's home near Westerville. The size of that bill, however, might never be known publicly. Kasich's spokesman refused to discuss security arrangements for the future governor, his wife and two daughters. The State Highway Patrol, which is responsible for guarding the governor and his family, also won't comment on the cost of upgrading Kasich's home. Kasich's 4,400-square-foot home sits amid 10 acres in Genoa Township near Hoover Reservoir. The Delaware County auditor valued the property at $759,500 in 2008. In addition to providing around-the-clock security at the Kasich home, including a checkpoint to restrict access to the gravel road leading to the property, the patrol will continue to guard the official residence in Bexley. Kasich has said he'll use the state-owned home for ceremonial functions. Lt. Gary Lewis, a patrol spokesman, said money for the improvements to Kasich's property will come out of a $6.4 million fund earmarked for security and investigations, including the governor's patrol guards. "We will utilize those resources from that fund to do what we're statutorily authorized to do," Lewis said, suggesting that the security enhancements could be absorbed within the existing budget. Later, however, Lewis said the patrol might need to request additional money to cover the costs. http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/01/02/copy/security-upgrade-price-tag-withheld.html?sid=101 Grandma and Grandpa are either going to have to tighten their belts where these austerity measures will apply, but hey, at least they pay enough to allow this governor's home to be upgraded with all the modern security measures money can buy. Guess if he pisses off enough Ohioans, he'll need this added security.
He was made and paid for by GE. I liked him when he was the governor though.
I haven't heard anybody complain about him yet, everybody I know thinks he's doing the right thing...... Guess the Liberals don't though...... LOL.... As far as the "SUPPOSED" TV ads go, haven't seen one yet.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
That's called the culling of the herd. But there's all kinds of other stuff that gets reembursed too besides Medicare/ Medicaid, such as certain types of maintainence and construction, and other services. Of course back in the good old seventies in my area the trend was to open a rest home, and then build your personal estate on the profits you made by feeding the patients peanut butter sandwiches three times a day. And everyone wonders why nursing homes are now so regulated.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThe scary thing about it though, is if the cuts do come,
#2. To: A K A Stone (#1)
Maybe the taxpayers can get some of their money back and save for their own retirement instead of someone elses.
#3. To: lucysmom (#2)
Or maybe the taxpayers will have to choose between college for the kids and care for grandma.
#4. To: A K A Stone (#1)
#5. To: Ferret Mike (#4)
#6. To: A K A Stone (#3)
"With more of their own money in their pocket they will have a better chance. They wont have to feel guilty about taking stolen money."
#7. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
Seeing how someone seems to have been able to get the SCOTUS to gut decades of carefully crafted campaign finance law,
#8. To: A K A Stone (#3)
With more of their own money in their pocket they will have a better chance.
#9. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
It's nice you seem to care about guilt, but perhaps the need to feel guilty cuts the other way more often than you normally care to admit it does.
#10. To: lucysmom (#8)
You'd better buy some good insurance to cover nursing home care now or have a whole lot of money in your pocket.
#11. To: lucysmom (#8)
There isn't much of a government to steal your money in Somalia.
#12. To: A K A Stone (#11)
We don't live in Somalia. At least I don't.
#13. To: A K A Stone (#5)
"The solution is tariffs. Very simple. You move your company overseas. Fine to that. But when you send the good back across our border we are going to more then make up the difference you saved on slave labor."
#14. To: lucysmom (#12)
We don't live in Somalia. At least I don't.
#15. To: Ferret Mike (#13)
America do in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s.
#16. To: A K A Stone (#10)
"Living in a nursing home isn't a right. It isn't right to steal from someone elses hard work to give it to someone else."
#17. To: Ferret Mike (#13)
We need to punish job carpetbagging and to get back to making things again.
#18. To: Ferret Mike (#16)
making them die on the streets isn't fair, humane, or just.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#10)
Living in a nursing home isn't a right. It isn't right to steal from someone elses hard work to give it to someone else. Even if it would make their life easier. Stealing is stealing.
#20. To: A K A Stone (#15)
#21. To: lucysmom (#19)
blessings government provides
#22. To: lucysmom (#19)
protection of property rights
#23. To: A K A Stone (#18)
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#24. To: A K A Stone (#14)
So the nation was Somalia at its founding?
#25. To: A K A Stone (#18)
The world ran quite a lot better before the progressive/liberal/commies came around and made all these promises to steal from productive individuals.
#26. To: A K A Stone (#21)
So you do think that Obama/govt is sort of like a God.
#27. To: lucysmom (#24)
"If the people you admire, who hated FDR along with you, had their way, the US could well have gone down the fascist road with Hitler. That is what they wanted for the US, a fascist government."
#28. To: lucysmom (#25)
"Then, I trust, you don't bother with insurance."
#29. To: Ferret Mike (#27)
The last thing we need in this country is a pander to the rich and tax the middle class and poor president like Reagan was.
#30. To: Ferret Mike (#27)
I doubt he knows about the coup Prescott Bush and others tried to get away with to create a government simular to the one they admired most in the 1930s which was the one in Germany that gave us holicosts and world war.
#31. To: Ferret Mike (#28)
I'm sure he does, though he seems to have had some sticking point in his life about having liability insurance on his automobile.
#32. To: Skip Intro (#30)
"What makes you think Stone believes that would have been a bad thing? Stone couldn't care less about the living; he's only interested in fetuses. Just look at how many times he calls for those he dislikes to be killed. He would have made a perfect Nazi."
#33. To: Skip Intro (#30)
Stone couldn't care less about the living; he's only interested in fetuses.
#34. To: lucysmom (#29)
"The Reagan who is the hero of the Republican party is largely a mythical figure. He certainly wasn't a defender of Constitutional rights."
#35. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
That seems to be the message of what the Ohio Health Care Association is depicting in their new television advertisements that have been popping up around the dial in response to gutting skilled nursing care, aka nursing homes, by $470 Million dollars.
#36. To: CZ82 (#35)
"MOST" facilities only take a certain percentage of Medicaid (State paid) patients.... WHY?? Because they owners of the nursing homes can only charge so much for those patients.... (I.E. less profit than private pay patients....)
#37. To: CZ82 (#35)
Cost of security upgrade at Kasich's home withheld
#38. To: Ferret Mike (#20)
I liked watching him on Death Valley Days as a boy, and that's abut it.
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#37)
Guess if he pisses off enough Ohioans, he'll need this added security.
#40. To: lucysmom (#36)
In California when the Republicans block passage of the budget (this happens annually) nursing homes don't get paid, they have to go to the bank, get a loan, pay interest to stay open until a budget passes. Some don't make it and go belly up.
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