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Title: McCain: U.S. Torture did not lead to bin Laden
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URL Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011 ... n20062346.shtml?tag=re1.latest
Published: May 12, 2011
Author: AP Staff
Post Date: 2011-05-12 15:42:21 by Ferret Mike
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Views: 2395
Comments: 14
(AP) WASHINGTON - Waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques were not a factor in tracking down Osama bin Laden, a leading Republican senator insisted Thursday. Sen. John McCain, who spent five-and-a-half years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam, also rejected the argument that any form of torture is critical to U.S. success in the fight against terrorism. In an impassioned speech on the Senate floor, the Republican said former Attorney General Michael Mukasey and others who supported those kind of measures were wrong to claim that waterboarding al Qaeda's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, provided information that led to bin Laden's compound in Pakistan. Special Report: The Killing of Osama bin Laden Ron Paul: I wouldn't have killed bin Laden McCain spoke with an unrivaled record on the issue. He is the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, the 2008 Republican presidential nominee who consistently challenged the Bush administration and Vice President Dick Cheney on the use of torture and a man who endured brutal treatment during the Vietnam War. He said he asked CIA Director Leon Panetta for the facts, and that the hunt for bin Laden did not begin with fresh information for Mohammed. In fact, the name of bin Laden's courier, Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, came from a detainee held in another country. "Not only did the use of enhanced interrogation techniques on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed not provide us with key leads on bin Laden's courier, Abu Ahmed, it actually produced false and misleading information," McCain said. He called on Mukasey and others to correct their misstatements. A call to Mukasey at his New York law firm was not immediately returned Thursday. Mukasey was President George W. Bush's last attorney general. Last week, Rep. Peter King, a Republican and the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said the U.S. got vital information from waterboarding that led directly to bin Laden. McCain said he opposes waterboarding, a technique that simulates drowning, and any form of torture tactics. He said that they could be used against Americans and that their use damages the nation's character and reputation. "I do not believe they are necessary to our success in our war against terrorists, as the advocates of these techniques claim they are," he said. "Ultimately, this is about morality. What is at stake here is the very idea of America -- the America whose values have inspired the world and instilled in the hearts of its citizens the certainty that, no matter how hard we fight, no matter how dangerous our adversary, in the course of vanquishing our enemies we do not compromise our deepest values," he said. "We are America, and we hold ourselves to a higher standard. That is what is really at stake." McCain did reject the idea of prosecuting any U.S. officials for using interrogation tactics in the past. McCain's remarks drew immediate praise from several Democratic senators who have been at political odds with him in past campaigns. "No one in the Senate could have given this speech," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid."He speaks with personal knowledge. He still remembers the most dark nights when he tried to rest, when he was tortured brutally." Sen. Dick Durbin said McCain's opinions may not be the popular view, but they were the right ones. © 2011 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/12/politics/main20062346.shtml#ixzz1MAXfl1a0
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#1. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
Senility is never a pretty thing.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
So true. The irony is the SEALS that took down bin Laden were waterboarded. And surprise! They suffered no physical consequences. Only in the weird world of liberalism is it horrifying to use a non lethal technique 3 times eight years ago to extract information, but its A-Okay too shoot an unarmed man in the head, kill his son, shoot the man's wife, and unilaterally conduct a military action inside the borders of an alleged 'ally'. The voters aren't missing any of this nonsense.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Except McCain has been on this issue since waterboarding started. If your posture threads had any validity to them, you wouldn't been so insecure about them to change titles to make them advertisements for Bush. There is not an honest bone in your little body. You look for obscure blogs and change article content because you have no leg to stand on that torture did anything but endanger American lives by inviting retaliation, and at best produced questionable results.
And the guy who ran their training school says unequivocally that waterboarding is torture and doesn't produce useful information. Badeye, if someone waterboarded you, they could make you say you've personally supported Barack Obama throughout his entire presidency.
"Thats because your basically and idiot." In addition to being senile, he has also always been a willing establishment tool for the Democrats. Shit, he tried to be Kerry's running mate.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Has Mclamebrain spoken to this guy?
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
And you don't address the stink of fear at cutting Obama any slack with facts inconvenient to you, and how you twisted the truth like a pretzel to play smoke and mirrors with the issue. Torture in any context endangers Americans by inviting retaliation, it produces questionable results, and Bush and company should be put on trial in an international forum like the Hague over their violations of international law by torturing. Unless you care to address your crap tactics about articles being changed or taken from arcane and obscure blogs,and done to an extent that at times there were more pro-torture threads than anything else on the latest threads started column; I have nothing to say to you other than to point out that you don't even have a senile excuse for your bad and unethical behavior in forum. You are a shill, a liar and a snake oil salesman.
And you prove again what a dumb shit you are by posting another of many many threads pushing the propaganda that it's many to torture, and that it gets results. You did it solely in response to this thread. You don't care about an open, honest dialog on something like this. Padlock, you just want everyone to join in sucking off George Bush with you over his war crimes.
Tell you what; rendezvous with me and let me do a non-lethal water boarding of you. I bet you you will survive, and your prima donna - I post the way I do because I'm better than anyone else - little ass will feel a whole lot different on the topic. Hell Poindexter, I went through the CS chamber in BCT to find out my M17A1 protective mask worked and to experience the discomfort of tear gas. I bet you don't have the balls to go through what you so casually sanction others to go through, you racist piece of shit.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
They were, it was wrong, you are a liar and a apologist for war criminals. By the way, I don't click on your links. You use criminal thinking when you post thread with this idea you can do it differently than most others here because you have a bloated sense of importance. So consequently, it would be foolish to trust any hyperlink you code.
You know I'm beginning to think Mikey doesn't love you anymore.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Be fair now, he is not going to get the full effect of my feelings until he agrees to let me to show him what it feels to be water tortured by someone who can be every bit as intense as Bush era practitioners of this form of torture. And of course, I just want to do it to help him, mind you. For educational and demonstrational purposes of course.
Yep. And then come back and do it again when they discovered I lied. Which is why it does, in fact work. dumbass.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
#2. To: no gnu taxes (#1)
Senility is never a pretty thing.
#3. To: no gnu taxes (#1)
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#4. To: Badeye (#2)
The irony is the SEALS that took down bin Laden were waterboarded.
As a former Master Instructor and Chief of Training at the US Navy Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School (SERE) in San Diego, California I know the waterboard personally and intimately. SERE staff were required undergo the waterboard at its fullest. I was no exception. I have personally led, witnessed and supervised waterboarding of hundreds of people. It has been reported that both the Army and Navy SERE school’s interrogation manuals were used to form the interrogation techniques used by the US army and the CIA for its terror suspects. What was not mentioned in most articles was that SERE was designed to show how an evil totalitarian, enemy would use torture at the slightest whim. If this is the case, then waterboarding is unquestionably being used as torture technique.
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#5. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
Except McCain has been on this issue since waterboarding started.
#6. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
#7. To: no gnu taxes (#5)
#8. To: no gnu taxes (#6)
#9. To: no gnu taxes (#6)
#10. To: Ferret Mike (#9)
#11. To: no gnu taxes (#10)
“It depends what you mean by sex. ” -- Clinton = "Nobody was tortured" -- Padlock
#12. To: no gnu taxes (#10)
#13. To: CZ82 (#12)
#14. To: go65 (#4)
Badeye, if someone waterboarded you, they could make you say you've personally supported Barack Obama throughout his entire presidency.
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