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Title: Calif. teachers begin week of budget protests
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110509 ... us_california_teacher_protests
Published: May 9, 2011
Author: ADAM WEINTRAUB
Post Date: 2011-05-09 15:04:56 by socalv8
Keywords: UTLA, teacher, union
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SACRAMENTO, Calif. – Dozens of California teachers rallied Monday in downtown San Francisco, launching a week of statewide protests over the threat of deep budget cuts to public education.

The demonstrations and teach-ins were planned as schools face the prospect of mass layoffs, program cuts and shorter school years. The protests will culminate Friday with a sit-in at the state Capitol.

"We're here to make a statement," said Dennis Kelly, president of United Educators of San Francisco, which represents more than 6,000 employees of the San Francisco Unified School District.

Kelly was among about 100 school personnel who gathered at 5:30 a.m. and marched to school district headquarters. About 60 then boarded a chartered bus to Sacramento to protest and lobby lawmakers.

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#17. To: lucysmom (#15)

But then I'm sure you support the murder of pre-born children. You must if you support the usurper.

It sounds like Stone has multiple IDs on this site.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-05-09   18:33:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Skip Intro (#17)

It sounds like Stone has multiple IDs on this site.

How many people would refer to a blastocysts as "pre-born children"?

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-09   18:38:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lucysmom (#18)

How many people would refer to a blastocysts as "pre-born children"?

Maybe Rudy is a used -- I mean pre-owned, car salesman.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-05-09   18:41:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Skip Intro (#19) (Edited)

Maybe Rudy is a used -- I mean pre-owned, car salesman.

Just as a pre-owned car salesman loses interest in the car as soon as it is off the lot, a right-to-lifer loses interest in a baby as soon as it is out of the womb.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-09   18:47:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Rudgear (#13)

Why am I not surprised to see you defending this destruction of kids lives before they get a chance to start.

That's the one thing I could never figure out about the Dumbassocrats, why they love abortion...... You would think that will all the "EMPATHY" they exude they would be against it????

More single moms to give mega handouts to.. This also encourages the father to not take responsibility for her and the child through marriage, or pay child support....

More government sponsored orphanages...... That way they get an early start on brainwashing the kids into socialism.

More lazy, stupid POS Democrat voters on Welfare, Food stamps, WIC....etc..etc..

More losers on the dole means they have to collect more taxes....

I mean what's not to like if your a Libtard politician, you get the best of all worlds.... They should be orgasmic about being pro-life, but they aren't...... WHY?????

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-09   19:10:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: CZ82 (#21)

Nobody "loves" abortion. Whenever you frame your argument with that as the premise, you look stupid.

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war  posted on  2011-05-09   19:12:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: war (#22)

Nobody "loves" abortion. Whenever you frame your argument with that as the premise, you look stupid.

Stone has 3 IDs here now?

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-05-09   19:16:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Rudgear, war, lucysmom (#7) (Edited)

it sounds like a prosperous time before the radical left destroyed this country through perverting its education system. We once had an education system the envy of the world. You and yours couldn't stand that so you destroyed it with commie pos indoctrinators and protected them with unions.

Kind of funny fact, the countries with the best performing educational system are socialist (Sputnik made Americans realize this) and they teach stuff that freaks out the right like sex education aka biology and evolution which are part of the curriculum from an early age.

I know of no country on earth other than the crazed Muslim nations where the educational syste approaches the American right wing ideal (no govt funding for example) where evolution is not taught in school, and there is no sex education or operates along the American right wing ideology. Somalia's educational system (lack there of) most closely resembles the home school ideal of the crazed American right wing.

The closest you have to a conservative American ideal is the Catholic educational system but they teach evolution in those so I don't know if they should count and a lot of their educational funding does come from donations not the free market.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-05-09   19:23:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Godwinson (#24)

Kind of funny fact, the countries with the best performing educational system are socialist (Sputnik made Americans realize this) and they teach stuff that freaks out the right like sex education aka biology and evolution which are part of the curriculum from an early age.

Even worse, they teach science, which the goobers consider an affront to whatever version of god they worship.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-05-09   19:25:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Skip Intro (#25)

I am still waiting for the Republicans to show us which nation on earth has their ideal education system?

None. That is why they want to retreat to some imagined 1950s era educational system from the American past. Which is funny because that was when the Federal govt got involved in education due to Sputnik and made the system more socialized.

The right wing goobers don't live in reality. They live in a fantasy world which they made up.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-05-09   19:28:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: war (#22)

Nobody "loves" abortion. Whenever you frame your argument with that as the premise, you look stupid.

So why does the Left defend it so much then????? I thought they had so much "EMPATHY"??????

SO how should I have framed my argument so I wouldn't look stupid???? Or is that what happens when someone thinks like a Libtard for 1-2 minutes, they look stupid!!!! I think I need to go wash my brain out with soap and burn my keyboard.....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-09   19:30:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: CZ82, war (#27)

Nobody "loves" abortion

So why does the Left defend it so much then?????

Ronald Reagan and the Republican Congress of California legalized abortion before Roe V Wade and once Reagan was president nominated judges that upheld that decision.

Reagan also passed gun restriction laws as gov and president.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-05-09   19:33:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: CZ82 (#27)

I support a woman's right to do with her body what she deems best for it. The Framers had no issue with it.

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war  posted on  2011-05-09   19:33:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: war (#29)

I support a woman's right to do with her body what she deems best for it. The Framers had no issue with it.

So they have "EMPATHY" for the woman, but not the child????? WHY????

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-09   19:47:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: CZ82 (#30)

What child?

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-09   19:50:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Godwinson (#28)

Ronald Reagan and the Republican Congress of California legalized abortion before Roe V Wade and once Reagan was president nominated judges that upheld that decision.

Abortion was actually somewhat legal back in the 1700s in this country...

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-09   19:54:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: war (#31)

What child?

The one in her womb....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-09   19:55:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: CZ82 (#21)

More single moms to give mega handouts to.. This also encourages the father to not take responsibility for her and the child through marriage, or pay child support....

More government sponsored orphanages...... That way they get an early start on brainwashing the kids into socialism.

More lazy, stupid POS Democrat voters on Welfare, Food stamps, WIC....etc..etc..

More losers on the dole means they have to collect more taxes....

Behold, the empathy with which the right blesses our nation and the world.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-09   20:10:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: lucysmom (#34)

So who said I was pro-life????? I was asking why the Left wasn't???

So what would happen if people practiced abstinence instead????

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-09   20:15:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: CZ82 (#35) (Edited)

So what would happen if people practiced abstinence instead????

How long do you think they would have to practice before getting it right?

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-09   20:26:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: CZ82 (#33)

A child exists after being born. What is in her womb is various things at various stages of development.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-09   20:31:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: lucysmom (#36)

Ha...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-09   20:38:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: lucysmom (#36)

How long do you think they would have to practice before getting it right?

Who knows????

But that's the way it has been since the beginning of time, if you didn't want a child you didn't perform the act that makes them.....

In fact more people are pro-life now than has been the case for the last 15-20 years..... maybe they are getting tired of all the "sluts" running around.... who knows for sure.....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-09   20:46:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: war (#37)

A child exists after being born. What is in her womb is various things at various stages of development.

Semantics.....

Everyone has a different opinion on this. Some people consider a fetus to be a baby from the moment of conception. Others consider the fetus to be a baby roughly 10 days after conception at implantation, where the fertilised egg implants in the lining of the womb. Other consider the fetus to be a baby at around 6 weeks, when there is a visible heart beat. Some consider the fetus to be a baby at around 16 weeks when you can start to feel the first movements. Others don't consider the fetus to be a baby until the abortion time limit has passed, so around 20-24 weeks. Some only consider the fetus to be a baby once he or she is born.

All of the above information is correct but leaves out one crucial medical fact. Which is that of the stages of Human Development. So, in terms of human development an embryo is not a fetus, like a fetus is not a baby, like a baby is not a toddler, like a toddler is not a young adult... etc. Basically if you find the definition of Embryo it is: a developing human from conception to 8 weeks. The definition of Fetus is: a developing human from 8 weeks to birth. Then you enter the neonate, infant, toddler, play age...etc.etc. stages. Those are the Stages Of Human Development. So... when Pro-choice advocates say, "it's not a baby!" They actually are correct. And when Anti-abortion advocates say, "you are killing a developing human being" They are actually correct as well. The unborn humans are in their own stages of human development. And, the fetus is not a baby yet... just like a baby is not a toddler yet... but all humans are in their own stages of human development.

Therefore, I will add this: currently, it is legal to end the life of the developing human when they are in pre-viable developmental stages in utero.

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-09   20:48:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: CZ82 (#40)

Semantics...

Yep...words mean something...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-09   20:51:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: socalv8 (#0)

Dozens of California teachers rallied Monday in downtown San Francisco, launching a week of statewide protests over the threat of deep budget cuts to public education.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-05-09   21:20:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: CZ82 (#39)

But that's the way it has been since the beginning of time, if you didn't want a child you didn't perform the act that makes them.....

Abortion and contraception have been practiced throughout recorded history and most likely before. It seems to be part of human nature to want to preform the act without producing the child.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-09   22:53:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: jwpegler (#42)

I don't blame the teachers, most are awesome.
Parents stink. I see it everyday.
Cal Dems have, for decades, been throwing money at teachers (unions) to solve the problem. KNOWING IT WOULDN'T WORK.

socalv8  posted on  2011-05-10   2:32:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: lucysmom (#43)

It seems to be part of human nature to want to preform the act without producing the child.

And they should be held "Responsible" for their actions.... just like it used to be....

Abortion is the way to get around being "Responsible", it enables people to continue acting like little children instead of growing up to be adults (I.E. Liberalism)....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-10   6:38:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: socalv8 (#44)

I don't blame the teachers, most are awesome. Parents stink. I see it everyday.

Sounds like a self-serving statement to me.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-05-10   10:24:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: CZ82 (#45)

And they should be held "Responsible" for their actions.... just like it used to be....

When was that?

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-10   10:31:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: CZ82, lucysmom (#35) (Edited)

So what would happen if people practiced abstinence instead????

It's biologically almost impossible. Even priests can't all do it.

It used to be when life was short people married in their teens and died in their twenties so the ages where you would be the most sexually active was one where people were in wedlock.

But now teen brides are rare and in most cases illegal in America so the old model does not work any more.

I read a study on this. Our grandparents and great grandparents weren't more chaste. It's that they got married young.

I don't get why the Republicans (outside of religious kook reasons) can't do what every scientifically based advance nation does and teach sex education and encourage condom use.

You think Jesus will cause America to be visited by hellfire if we do this?

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-05-10   12:48:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: jwpegler (#46)

Sounds like a self-serving statement to me.

So be it.
Parents are responsible for primary education. School is practically babysitting.

socalv8  posted on  2011-05-10   13:14:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: lucysmom (#47)

And they should be held "Responsible" for their actions.... just like it used to be....

When was that?

So what you are saying is that nobody has ever been held responsible for anything????? So why have cops, judges, juries, or prisons then???? So does that mean Liberalism and Atheism has "ALWAYS" been around??? That all people have always acted like idiots?????

So what happened then before abortions???? Did the woman kill herself, did she just throw it in the trash can, did she just do a "coathanger" number on herself or did she just go ahead and have the kid????? My bet rides with she just had the kid, at least the majority of them did..... (and that was the responsible thing to do).......

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-10   16:39:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Godwinson (#48)

I don't get why the Republicans (outside of religious kook reasons) can't do what every scientifically based advance nation does and teach sex education and encourage condom use.

They do.... Now as far as the Libtards go, well who knows.......

Food for thought:

So why has the number of abortions went down recently even though condoms have been available since the 1800s????? Is it because people have "RECENTLY" become more educated about condom use, even though it has been taught in the schools for about 50 years????? Or is it because people have decided they don't want to take the chance of getting an incurable STD????? Or is it because they are just abstaining more???

Recent studies show people are about 25% "LESS" sexually active than just 10 years ago..... So you make the call........

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-10   16:56:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: CZ82 (#50)

So what happened then before abortions???? Did the woman kill herself, did she just throw it in the trash can, did she just do a "coathanger" number on herself or did she just go ahead and have the kid????? My bet rides with she just had the kid, at least the majority of them did..... (and that was the responsible thing to do).......

Woman have been using contraceptives and having abortions at least since the doings of human beings have been recorded on earth. Of course surgical methods of terminating a pregnancy were pretty risky back then, but there were herbal alternatives and infanticide, waiting until after the birth of the baby to do the deed.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-10   17:03:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Godwinson (#48)

It used to be when life was short people married in their teens and died in their twenties so the ages where you would be the most sexually active was one where people were in wedlock.

It is estimated that up to 30% of puritan brides were pregnant when they married. Who knows how many did the nasty and didn't get pregnant. Neither contraception nor abortion was acceptable to puritans, though both were known. Sex outside of marriage wasn't acceptable either, but there seems to have been plenty of that.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-10   17:14:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: CZ82 (#51)

So why has the number of abortions went down recently even though condoms have been available since the 1800s????? Is it because people have "RECENTLY" become more educated about condom use, even though it has been taught in the schools for about 50 years????? Or is it because people have decided they don't want to take the chance of getting an incurable STD????? Or is it because they are just abstaining more???

Teen pregnancy and abortion rates declined steadily for a decade and then began to increase again in 2006. It is thought that shifting the emphathis and funding from contraception to abstinence programs is to blame.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-01-26-1Ateenpregnancy26_ST_N.htm

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-10   17:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: lucysmom, CZ82 (#54) (Edited)

Teen pregnancy and abortion rates declined steadily for a decade and then began to increase again in 2006. It is thought that shifting the emphathis and funding from contraception to abstinence programs is to blame.

One of the most disgusting episodes of the right wing religious kooks was when they teamed up with anti-innaculation nuts to prevent HPV vaccination becoming mandatory for girls.

Yes, there were some "libertarians" who were against mandatory (and free) HPV vaccinations for girls but for the most part the religious right wing kooks used the very few "libertarians" (or used their ideology) and the anti vaccination kooks as a front. They did not want girls to undergo vaccination because in their religious kook minds that would mean girls would not be afraid to have sex with boys if they were vaccinated. Also, they wanted girls who have sex outside of marriage to be stricken with HPV as a sign of God's wrath.

I am not making that up. They said so or hinted as much on forums like Freerepublic and the like.

That's how goofy this nation is because of the religious right in America.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-05-10   17:51:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: lucysmom (#54)

Teen pregnancy and abortion rates declined steadily for a decade and then began to increase again in 2006. It is thought that shifting the emphathis and funding from contraception to abstinence programs is to blame.

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-10   17:53:32 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: lucysmom (#52)

Woman have been using contraceptives and having abortions at least since the doings of human beings have been recorded on earth. Of course surgical methods of terminating a pregnancy were pretty risky back then, but there were herbal alternatives and infanticide, waiting until after the birth of the baby to do the deed.

I know they did things like that, I was being facetious.....

But were the numbers of abortions performed that way back then percentage wise compareable to the numbers of today percentage wise????? (did I say that right)??

My bet is no..... But I don't think the numbers are actually available to prove one or the other......

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-10   18:05:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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