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Title: Calif. teachers begin week of budget protests
Source: Yahoo/AP
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110509 ... us_california_teacher_protests
Published: May 9, 2011
Author: ADAM WEINTRAUB
Post Date: 2011-05-09 15:04:56 by socalv8
Keywords: UTLA, teacher, union
Views: 44248
Comments: 66

SACRAMENTO, Calif. – Dozens of California teachers rallied Monday in downtown San Francisco, launching a week of statewide protests over the threat of deep budget cuts to public education.

The demonstrations and teach-ins were planned as schools face the prospect of mass layoffs, program cuts and shorter school years. The protests will culminate Friday with a sit-in at the state Capitol.

"We're here to make a statement," said Dennis Kelly, president of United Educators of San Francisco, which represents more than 6,000 employees of the San Francisco Unified School District.

Kelly was among about 100 school personnel who gathered at 5:30 a.m. and marched to school district headquarters. About 60 then boarded a chartered bus to Sacramento to protest and lobby lawmakers.

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#4. To: socalv8 (#3)

When I was a kid going to school in northern California in the beginning of the New Math era, we were expected to, and did, provide our own school supplies and our parents provided us with a bag lunch better than anything the school could provide.

Now, I pass school supplies drives run by schools, begging for paper and pencils. WTF? Where does the money go? I'll tell you: into bank accounts as graft. They claim they cannot provide lunches to the children. I say that is the parent's job. Good money after bad.

war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-05-09   15:37:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Rudgear (#4)

They also had less kids, WAY more hours, WAY less TAs and WAY less money.

socalv8  posted on  2011-05-09   15:49:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Rudgear (#4)

When I was a kid going to school in northern California in the beginning of the New Math era, we were expected to, and did, provide our own school supplies and our parents provided us with a bag lunch better than anything the school could provide.

Like in third world countries? Sounds like the educational system in Pakistan or Somalia.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-05-09   16:17:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Godwinson (#6)

No, Destro, it sounds like a prosperous time before the radical left destroyed this country through perverting its education system. We once had an education system the envy of the world. You and yours couldn't stand that so you destroyed it with commie pos indoctrinators and protected them with unions.

war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-05-09   17:43:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Rudgear (#7)

We once had an education system the envy of the world.

When was that Rudy?

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"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-09   17:45:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: war (#8)

You're insane, w.a-r. Up is down, white is black, right is wrong, truth is relative, etc.

When? It was within your own sorry existence, you miserable piece of shit.

war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-05-09   17:51:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Rudgear (#9)

The truth is, Rudy, the elementary, primary and secondary education system in this nation has NEVER been the envy of the world.

NEVER

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-09   17:55:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: war, Godwinson, Rudgear (#8)

We once had an education system the envy of the world.

When was that Rudy?

In California it was when Jerry Brown's father was governor.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-09   17:57:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: lucysmom (#11)

We don't have an education system. We wing it.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-09   17:59:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: lucysmom (#11)

Why am I not surprised to see you defending this destruction of kids lives before they get a chance to start.

But then I'm sure you support the murder of pre-born children. You must if you support the usurper. You and war both are the two most disgusting pigs on this board.

war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-05-09   18:09:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: war (#12)

We don't have an education system. We wing it.

We're not going to have a viable education system until people care more about getting the job done than about having it their way.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-09   18:11:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Rudgear (#13)

Why am I not surprised to see you defending this destruction of kids lives before they get a chance to start.

Currently California spends $7,500 (rounded off) per student; a local private school charges $33,500 (rounded off) per student. If it is true that you get what you pay for, which school do you think does a better job? If the school gets to pick and choose which students it will accept, which school has a better outcome in terms of test scores?

But then I'm sure you support the murder of pre-born children. You must if you support the usurper. You and war both are the two most disgusting pigs on this board.

Well that's a winning argument if ever I read one.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-09   18:22:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: lucysmom (#15)

Well that's a winning argument if ever I read one.

Chuckles...so THAT's what it looks like?!?

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-09   18:27:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: lucysmom (#15)

But then I'm sure you support the murder of pre-born children. You must if you support the usurper.

It sounds like Stone has multiple IDs on this site.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-05-09   18:33:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Skip Intro (#17)

It sounds like Stone has multiple IDs on this site.

How many people would refer to a blastocysts as "pre-born children"?

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-09   18:38:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lucysmom (#18)

How many people would refer to a blastocysts as "pre-born children"?

Maybe Rudy is a used -- I mean pre-owned, car salesman.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-05-09   18:41:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Skip Intro (#19) (Edited)

Maybe Rudy is a used -- I mean pre-owned, car salesman.

Just as a pre-owned car salesman loses interest in the car as soon as it is off the lot, a right-to-lifer loses interest in a baby as soon as it is out of the womb.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-09   18:47:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Rudgear (#13)

Why am I not surprised to see you defending this destruction of kids lives before they get a chance to start.

That's the one thing I could never figure out about the Dumbassocrats, why they love abortion...... You would think that will all the "EMPATHY" they exude they would be against it????

More single moms to give mega handouts to.. This also encourages the father to not take responsibility for her and the child through marriage, or pay child support....

More government sponsored orphanages...... That way they get an early start on brainwashing the kids into socialism.

More lazy, stupid POS Democrat voters on Welfare, Food stamps, WIC....etc..etc..

More losers on the dole means they have to collect more taxes....

I mean what's not to like if your a Libtard politician, you get the best of all worlds.... They should be orgasmic about being pro-life, but they aren't...... WHY?????

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-09   19:10:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: CZ82 (#21)

Nobody "loves" abortion. Whenever you frame your argument with that as the premise, you look stupid.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-09   19:12:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: war (#22)

Nobody "loves" abortion. Whenever you frame your argument with that as the premise, you look stupid.

Stone has 3 IDs here now?

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-05-09   19:16:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Rudgear, war, lucysmom (#7) (Edited)

it sounds like a prosperous time before the radical left destroyed this country through perverting its education system. We once had an education system the envy of the world. You and yours couldn't stand that so you destroyed it with commie pos indoctrinators and protected them with unions.

Kind of funny fact, the countries with the best performing educational system are socialist (Sputnik made Americans realize this) and they teach stuff that freaks out the right like sex education aka biology and evolution which are part of the curriculum from an early age.

I know of no country on earth other than the crazed Muslim nations where the educational syste approaches the American right wing ideal (no govt funding for example) where evolution is not taught in school, and there is no sex education or operates along the American right wing ideology. Somalia's educational system (lack there of) most closely resembles the home school ideal of the crazed American right wing.

The closest you have to a conservative American ideal is the Catholic educational system but they teach evolution in those so I don't know if they should count and a lot of their educational funding does come from donations not the free market.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-05-09   19:23:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Godwinson (#24)

Kind of funny fact, the countries with the best performing educational system are socialist (Sputnik made Americans realize this) and they teach stuff that freaks out the right like sex education aka biology and evolution which are part of the curriculum from an early age.

Even worse, they teach science, which the goobers consider an affront to whatever version of god they worship.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-05-09   19:25:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Skip Intro (#25)

I am still waiting for the Republicans to show us which nation on earth has their ideal education system?

None. That is why they want to retreat to some imagined 1950s era educational system from the American past. Which is funny because that was when the Federal govt got involved in education due to Sputnik and made the system more socialized.

The right wing goobers don't live in reality. They live in a fantasy world which they made up.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-05-09   19:28:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: war (#22)

Nobody "loves" abortion. Whenever you frame your argument with that as the premise, you look stupid.

So why does the Left defend it so much then????? I thought they had so much "EMPATHY"??????

SO how should I have framed my argument so I wouldn't look stupid???? Or is that what happens when someone thinks like a Libtard for 1-2 minutes, they look stupid!!!! I think I need to go wash my brain out with soap and burn my keyboard.....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-09   19:30:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: CZ82, war (#27)

Nobody "loves" abortion

So why does the Left defend it so much then?????

Ronald Reagan and the Republican Congress of California legalized abortion before Roe V Wade and once Reagan was president nominated judges that upheld that decision.

Reagan also passed gun restriction laws as gov and president.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-05-09   19:33:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: CZ82 (#27)

I support a woman's right to do with her body what she deems best for it. The Framers had no issue with it.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-09   19:33:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: war (#29)

I support a woman's right to do with her body what she deems best for it. The Framers had no issue with it.

So they have "EMPATHY" for the woman, but not the child????? WHY????

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-09   19:47:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: CZ82 (#30)

What child?

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-09   19:50:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Godwinson (#28)

Ronald Reagan and the Republican Congress of California legalized abortion before Roe V Wade and once Reagan was president nominated judges that upheld that decision.

Abortion was actually somewhat legal back in the 1700s in this country...

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-09   19:54:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: war (#31)

What child?

The one in her womb....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-09   19:55:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: CZ82 (#21)

More single moms to give mega handouts to.. This also encourages the father to not take responsibility for her and the child through marriage, or pay child support....

More government sponsored orphanages...... That way they get an early start on brainwashing the kids into socialism.

More lazy, stupid POS Democrat voters on Welfare, Food stamps, WIC....etc..etc..

More losers on the dole means they have to collect more taxes....

Behold, the empathy with which the right blesses our nation and the world.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-09   20:10:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: lucysmom (#34)

So who said I was pro-life????? I was asking why the Left wasn't???

So what would happen if people practiced abstinence instead????

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-09   20:15:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: CZ82 (#35) (Edited)

So what would happen if people practiced abstinence instead????

How long do you think they would have to practice before getting it right?

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-09   20:26:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: CZ82 (#33)

A child exists after being born. What is in her womb is various things at various stages of development.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-09   20:31:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: lucysmom (#36)

Ha...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-09   20:38:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: lucysmom (#36)

How long do you think they would have to practice before getting it right?

Who knows????

But that's the way it has been since the beginning of time, if you didn't want a child you didn't perform the act that makes them.....

In fact more people are pro-life now than has been the case for the last 15-20 years..... maybe they are getting tired of all the "sluts" running around.... who knows for sure.....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-09   20:46:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: war (#37)

A child exists after being born. What is in her womb is various things at various stages of development.

Semantics.....

Everyone has a different opinion on this. Some people consider a fetus to be a baby from the moment of conception. Others consider the fetus to be a baby roughly 10 days after conception at implantation, where the fertilised egg implants in the lining of the womb. Other consider the fetus to be a baby at around 6 weeks, when there is a visible heart beat. Some consider the fetus to be a baby at around 16 weeks when you can start to feel the first movements. Others don't consider the fetus to be a baby until the abortion time limit has passed, so around 20-24 weeks. Some only consider the fetus to be a baby once he or she is born.

All of the above information is correct but leaves out one crucial medical fact. Which is that of the stages of Human Development. So, in terms of human development an embryo is not a fetus, like a fetus is not a baby, like a baby is not a toddler, like a toddler is not a young adult... etc. Basically if you find the definition of Embryo it is: a developing human from conception to 8 weeks. The definition of Fetus is: a developing human from 8 weeks to birth. Then you enter the neonate, infant, toddler, play age...etc.etc. stages. Those are the Stages Of Human Development. So... when Pro-choice advocates say, "it's not a baby!" They actually are correct. And when Anti-abortion advocates say, "you are killing a developing human being" They are actually correct as well. The unborn humans are in their own stages of human development. And, the fetus is not a baby yet... just like a baby is not a toddler yet... but all humans are in their own stages of human development.

Therefore, I will add this: currently, it is legal to end the life of the developing human when they are in pre-viable developmental stages in utero.

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-09   20:48:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: CZ82 (#40)

Semantics...

Yep...words mean something...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-09   20:51:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: socalv8 (#0)

Dozens of California teachers rallied Monday in downtown San Francisco, launching a week of statewide protests over the threat of deep budget cuts to public education.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-05-09   21:20:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: CZ82 (#39)

But that's the way it has been since the beginning of time, if you didn't want a child you didn't perform the act that makes them.....

Abortion and contraception have been practiced throughout recorded history and most likely before. It seems to be part of human nature to want to preform the act without producing the child.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-09   22:53:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: jwpegler (#42)

I don't blame the teachers, most are awesome.
Parents stink. I see it everyday.
Cal Dems have, for decades, been throwing money at teachers (unions) to solve the problem. KNOWING IT WOULDN'T WORK.

socalv8  posted on  2011-05-10   2:32:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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