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Title: Was America So Bad On Sept 10, 2001?
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Published: May 8, 2011
Author: A K A Stone
Post Date: 2011-05-08 01:09:22 by A K A Stone
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Views: 62224
Comments: 79

Was the country so bad on Sept 10, 2001 that we had to change so much.

They say they killed Bin Laden. Ok he's dead we agree.

How about we return back to normal.

Get rid of that evil patriot act.

Bring the troops home.

Repeal Homeland Security.

Fire the TSA.

Does anyone remember what freedom is anymore?

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#40. To: socalv8 (#38)

You seem to have lost the point.

NY, a blue state, sends more tax dollars to DC than it gets back.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-09   17:11:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: socalv8 (#33)

Where's those casket photos and MSM Death Counts?

Or the crowds screaming 'no blood for oil'....

Mr President, its 72 virgins, not 72 VERSIONS.

Badeye  posted on  2011-05-09   17:11:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Godwinson (#15)

what the fuck was the hang up about Clinton?

NAFTA GATT Abortion Assault weapons ban Rocket technology to China Suing Microsoft Waco Bombed Yugoslavia Bombed Iraq Appointed Ginsberg

There are a few.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-05-09   20:06:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: war (#31)

NY sends more money out of state than it gets back.

You got that right..... More people are moving out of the state, than ones moving in......

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-09   20:10:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: CZ82 (#43)

Challenge...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-09   20:40:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: war (#44)

Challenge...

Ask Rush Limbaugh he'll tell you..... He took his $30+ million per year earnings and headed south...... LOL......

They also lost 2 seats in the House of Representatives.......

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-09   21:06:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: CZ82 (#45)

NY's population grew over 2% 2000-2010.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-09   21:07:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: war (#46)

NY's population grew over 2% 2000-2010.

Every state in the USA had population growth from 2000-2010.... except for 1, Michigan.......

Seats in the House are determined by population growth/decline percentages....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-09   21:14:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: A K A Stone (#42)

NAFTA GATT Abortion Assault weapons ban Rocket technology to China Suing Microsoft Waco Bombed Yugoslavia Bombed Iraq Appointed Ginsberg

Carter appointed Ginsberg.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-05-09   22:59:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lucysmom (#48)

Jimmy Carter is an idiot too. Clintoon appointed her to the Supreme Court.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-05-09   23:03:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: war, Godwinson (#40)

You seem to have lost the point.

NY, a blue state, sends more tax dollars to DC than it gets back.

My point is that I have no problem with that.

Do you have a chart that shows each State's welfare payouts?
I'm guessing the biggest surgar daddy States are Lib States.

socalv8  posted on  2011-05-10   2:21:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: socalv8 (#50)

My point is that I have no problem with that.

I wouldn't either if I was a net taker.

I'm guessing the biggest surgar daddy States are Lib States.

Top 15? Top 10?

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-10   6:42:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: CZ82 (#47)

Thanks for correcting your error.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-10   6:44:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: war (#52)

Thanks for correcting your error.

What error, its called population growth..... just not enough of it.....

Population growth should be higher in NY, but it isn't.... That's why they lost 2 seats in the House... So that means more people are leaving than staying..... hence more money leaving the state.... guess that explains the big budget deficits they have.... doesn't it!!

Also means more people are getting sick and tired of Libtard irresponsibility and stupid rules.....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-10   7:05:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: CZ82 (#53)

So that means more people are leaving than staying...

You just admitted that the population grew so what you are promoting above is bullshit because it would be impossible to have GROWTH if what you are subtracting is MORE than you are adding.

This is the reality...the membership in the House is FIXED @ 435...NY's population GREW but other states' populations grew FASTER. Thus the reapportionment of House seats.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

war  posted on  2011-05-10   8:04:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: mininggold (#20)

The MS from Baton Rouge to NO will become the 30% flow...

Another inland waterway, the freight cos will love it.

But the water will become to salty for coolant.

Waterford Nuke becomes the first Large Scake Decommission in the US. ;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-05-10   10:16:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: socalv8, war (#50)

My point is that I have no problem with that.

Which is why Republican voting states are parasites living off the wealth of Democrat voting states but pretending the Democrat voting states are the ones that live off the wealth of Republican voting states

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-05-10   12:41:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: A K A Stone (#42)

All those bad things under Clinton factored in still makes the Clinton era awesome vs what we went through under Bush and his GOP majorities in congress.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-05-10   12:42:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Godwinson (#56)

Wall Street, Iowa?
Silicone Valley, MI?
NY and Cal are wealthy because of wildly successful Capitalism.
They also hand out welfare like crack, enrich unions and therefore are susceptible to budget failure.

socalv8  posted on  2011-05-10   13:27:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Godwinson (#57)

the Clinton era awesome

Do you walk around with a twirly hat and a boner?

socalv8  posted on  2011-05-10   13:31:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: war (#51)

NY is better than I thought...Cal is worse.
NY Times is super factual, right?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/01/25/us/20090126-welfare-table.html

socalv8  posted on  2011-05-10   13:39:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: socalv8 (#60)

Any news source is going to state or print things that are untrue. The "reputation" is established in the aftermath of that fact seeing the light of day.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

I was not aware of just how bad the flooding was; thanks for posting.

war  posted on  2011-05-10   13:41:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: war (#61)

Tell that to Jason Blair, ya poofter.

war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-05-10   13:43:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: war (#62)

Tell that to Jason Blair, ya poofter.

Admit it war...you smiled.

socalv8  posted on  2011-05-10   13:45:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Rudgear (#62)

Tell that to Jason [sic] Blair...

JaYson Blair was fired, Rudy. Which illustartes two points both of which are mine...one is stated above and the other is oft stated that you're a fucking idiot.

Who's been fired from Faux News?

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

I was not aware of just how bad the flooding was; thanks for posting.

war  posted on  2011-05-10   13:45:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: socalv8 (#63)

Admit it war...you smiled.

Hell, I'll admit to guffawing...as I usually do when Rudy posts something stupid...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

I was not aware of just how bad the flooding was; thanks for posting.

war  posted on  2011-05-10   13:47:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: socalv8 (#24)

Who would pay the bills? Y'all just spend. Can't tax community organizers, you know.

Or corporate lobbyists

mininggold  posted on  2011-05-10   13:55:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: socalv8 (#58)

NY and Cal are wealthy because of wildly successful Capitalism. They also hand out welfare like crack, enrich unions and therefore are susceptible to budget failure.

So red voting states are poor and poorly educated (low education scores) because of capitalism?

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-05-10   13:58:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: socalv8 (#60)

NY is better than I thought...Cal is worse. NY Times is super factual, right?

States with lots of federal land tend to be worse since it's being used as debt collateral. You can't even stop and park on the side of numbered gravel roads in the National Forests now. The foreign owners are afraid the citizens might extract a mineral or two or gather some firewood.

mininggold  posted on  2011-05-10   13:59:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: war (#54)

This is the reality...the membership in the House is FIXED @ 435...NY's population GREW but other states' populations grew FASTER. Thus the reapportionment of House seats.

So why is the population growing faster in those other states than NY????

More good looking people there???? More people having sex there????? Fewer Liberals there????? Lower unemployment there???? Life is simpler there???? Lower cost of living there????? Lower tax rates there??? Or maybe because people are moving there from states like NY and CA for all the above reasons?????

(WOW... What a novel idea, leave the place that treats you like shit and go someplace where you are treated better...

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-10   17:19:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: mininggold (#68)

States with lots of federal land tend to be worse since it's being used as debt collateral. You can't even stop and park on the side of numbered gravel roads in the National Forests now. The foreign owners are afraid the citizens might extract a mineral or two or gather some firewood.

What would they do if you parked? Come ask you for an ID or something?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-05-10   18:04:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: CZ82 (#69)

So why is the population growing faster in those other states than NY????

Is that a trick question or are you still having trouble with the math?

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

I was not aware of just how bad the flooding was; thanks for posting.

war  posted on  2011-05-10   19:19:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: war (#71)

So why is the population growing faster in those other states than NY????

Is that a trick question or are you still having trouble with the math?

If this is your answer to that question then it's pretty lame...... Especially if you think that just because the population of that armpit is growing, it means that the people with all the money aren't leaving....

Since population is growing so much explain the budget deficits then.... I mean they should be rolling in tax money!!! More people equals more money... doesn't it????

Or maybe it's beause the population growth is from "non-productive" people... I.E... people who don't work.... Welfare and foodstamp babies.... And now the "productive" ones are saying "sayonara bitch" and leaving the state, all to the stupid Liberals and their welfare voters.....

No I don't have a problem with math, never did..... some people do though and I try to help them as much as possible.....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-10   19:42:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: CZ82 (#72) (Edited)

NY is one of the most productive states in the Union. It's also a tale of two states.

There's the part that's the Financial Capital of the World...then there's the part that has suffered from the de-industrialization of the US and which has aged because there's nothing there for the young.

So the answer that you are looking for, "high taxes", doesn't work. NYC and the metropolitan area continues to grow fairly steadily even in the face of high personal and property taxes. Upstate has been in decline since the 1980's and is a net taker of downstate's tax dollars. In other words, the areas of NY that are LOSING people are also the depressed areas of NY where there is no longer an economic base.

Your turn.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

I was not aware of just how bad the flooding was; thanks for posting.

war  posted on  2011-05-10   19:51:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: war (#73)

So the answer that you are looking for, "high taxes", doesn't work. NYC and the metropolitan area continues to grow fairly steadily even in the face of high personal and property taxes.

So if NYC is so prosperous and so many people are moving there then explain this...

New York City Budget Deficit Next Year May Widen by $2 Billion

By Henry Goldman - Dec 6, 2010 3:16 PM ET

New York City’s projected budget deficit for fiscal 2012 may widen by $2 billion, to $4.5 billion, because cuts in state aid may be greater than forecast, Budget Director Mark Page said.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s proposal last month to cut the city workforce by 10,000 as part of plan to save $1.6 billion during the next 18 months may not be enough to close the gap, Page told the City Council’s Finance Committee today.

“The reality that we’re facing is that the future could be considerably worse,” Page told the council members. “This is something we are solemnly worried about.”

The most populous U.S. city has a $65 billion budget projected for fiscal 2012, which begins July 1. Bloomberg last month cited increased pension costs and loss of $850 million in federal school aid in proposing to reduce the city’s 300,000- worker payroll, including more than 6,000 firings. About 4,000 cuts will be accomplished by attrition.

Governor-elect Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat who takes office Jan. 1, has until Feb. 1 to propose his first budget. Last month, state Budget Director Robert Megna said the New York state deficit for fiscal 2012, which starts April 1, may reach $9.3 billion.

The state gap may increase to between $10 billion to $12 billion in the event revenue and spending projections prove too optimistic, Page said today.

Even if the state finds $3 billion to save, $7 billion would still have to be cut from aid to municipalities, Page said. Because New York City historically has received about one- third of local aid, the loss would be about $2 billion, he said. The city’s projected 5 percent revenue increase wouldn’t be enough to make up that gap.

“Maybe things will go better; maybe they’ll go worse,” Page said. “It’s not a comfortable outlook for us looking forward over the next 19 months.”

The council members summoned Page to the hearing to voice opposition to cuts to programs serving seniors, homeless, abused and neglected youth and night-time firehouse staffing.

“These should not be the targeted areas,” said Council Speaker Christine Quinn, a Manhattan Democrat.

Although the council lacks authority to amend Bloomberg’s executive orders, it must approve next year’s budget.

Bloomberg underscored the administration’s concern at a City Hall news conference later in the day. While agreeing with Quinn’s assessment that budget changes would have to be made, the direction would be less spending, not more, he said.

“These cuts don’t go to address more than a third of what we think the problem is,” he said. “We’re going to be going in the other direction. You can always find ways to try to mitigate the pain. The problem is you have to go where the monies are,” schools, public safety and sanitation

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-05-10   20:08:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: CZ82, war (#72)

And now the "productive" ones are saying "sayonara bitch" and leaving the state,

LOL!!!

Now that's funny!

Tag lines are gay.

We The People  posted on  2011-05-10   20:10:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: We The People (#75)

Funny but untrue.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

I was not aware of just how bad the flooding was; thanks for posting.

war  posted on  2011-05-10   20:12:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: CZ82 (#74)

Do I need to explain to you how a state's tax system works in interface with local funding?

***SIGH***

It's real easy. Everyone in NY pays around the same income tax rate. The problem is, a few areas, e.g. NYC, sends a TON of income tax money to the state but has to claw and fight to get some of it back.

So, it's not a matter of how prosperous NYC is; it's a matter of how UNprosperous a good portion of the rest of the state is.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

I was not aware of just how bad the flooding was; thanks for posting.

war  posted on  2011-05-10   20:16:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: A K A Stone (#70)

What would they do if you parked? Come ask you for an ID or something?

Tell you to move or be fined. I just drive to land I know is private and park off the road.

mininggold  posted on  2011-05-10   22:24:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: mininggold (#78)

I can relate to not being to pull over to the side of the road without being harassed by pigs.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-05-11   6:53:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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