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I'm here for the moneuy Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Bush Wars See other Bush Wars Articles Title: New Detail On How Bush Effed Up Hunt FoForr Bin Laden - Bush Turns Deaf Ear To Commander's Plea For Troops Source: Washington Post URL Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr ... sama-hunt/lessons-learned.html Published: May 6, 2011 Author: Peter Finn, Ian Shapira and Marc Fisher Post Date: 2011-05-06 09:27:48 by war Keywords: None Views: 7033 Comments: 24 Excerpt: When the bombing around Jalalabad intensified, bin Laden fled into the fortified caves of Tora Bora, about 35 miles south of the regional capital. Bin Laden knew the territory; as a young man, he had driven bulldozers there as Afghan resistance fighters excavated miles of tunnels. In late November, probably within days after bin Laden had arrived in the area, Berntsen's team tracked him to a mountainous area called Milawa, just below the peaks of Tora Bora. Berntsen's men called in airstrikes - a barrage from B-52s, F-15s and plenty more - that lasted nearly 60 hours. "Our guys were exhausted; they had been hammering Osama for days," Berntsen said. "Finally, bin Laden fled deeper into the mountains." Berntsen, who was back in Kabul, summoned several members of his team to tell him what they would need to take down bin Laden now that they thought they knew where he was. The response: "We need 800 Army Rangers between bin Laden and the border." Berntsen wrote to his superiors, begging for troops. His pleas went unanswered, according to a Senate Foreign Relations Committee report on Tora Bora. Without more manpower, Berntsen couldn't risk a ground assault. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ December of 2001, and they were already planning for the Iraq invasion and couldn;t be beothered with bon Laden. What a POS Bush was... Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 15. #1. To: All (#0) December of 2001, and they were already planning for the Iraq invasion and couldn;t be beothered with bon Laden. Grammar...spelling...relevance. And of course, who's going to proof read this latest example of Bush Derangement Syndrome from the dwarf, given his penchant for editing and violating copyright laws? Just sayin.... Badeye  posted on  2011-05-06   9:32:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: Badeye (#1) Grammar...spelling...relevance. see tagline: go65  posted on  2011-05-06   9:44:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: go65 (#4) You really don't have to reinforce what you've been reduced to GOey. We know. Badeye  posted on  2011-05-06   10:35:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: no gnu taxes (#6) BUMP war  posted on  2011-05-06   14:27:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: war (#7) Why was the Pentagon so unwilling to send more troops? Recently, I asked Franks to comment on his decision. He reiterated his preference for a light footprint and his concern about the time it would take to put additional troops on the ground. He also said that he could not be sure that bin Laden was at Tora Bora because of “conflicting intelligence” that alternately placed him in Kashmir, around Kandahar, and near the Afghan-Iranian border. Lt. General Michael DeLong, Franks’s top deputy, recalled in his 2004 memoir that the Pentagon did not want to put many American soldiers on the ground because of a concern that they would be treated like antibodies by the locals. “The mountains of Tora Bora are situated deep in territory controlled by tribes hostile to the United States and any outsiders,” he wrote. “The reality is if we put our troops in there we would inevitably end up fighting Afghan villagers--creating bad will at a sensitive time--which was the last thing we wanted to do.” no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-05-06   14:34:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: no gnu taxes (#8) Lt. General Michael DeLong, Franks’s top deputy, recalled in his 2004 memoir that the Pentagon did not want to put many American soldiers on the ground because of a concern that they would be treated like antibodies by the locals. They were afraid of OFFENDING the Afghani's? Oh for the love of right wing hypocrtical bullshit... war  posted on  2011-05-06   14:37:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: war (#10) I think I'd trust General Franks on the issue more than you leftards. no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-05-06   14:43:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: no gnu taxes (#11) Right...trust the guy who fucked it all up. Bravo, Paddy...bravo... war  posted on  2011-05-06   14:44:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: war (#12) One of the recurring complaints against W and his team is the purported failure to capture bin Laden at Tora Bora by not using US ground troops. I believe this is a flawed understanding of the situation as I will detail here. The campaign in Afghanistan is one of the most incredible examples of the capabilities of Special Operations Forces as combat multipliers. Using only several hundred Americans and thousands of native Afghan troops we routed the Taliban and Al Qaeda from their sanctuary and destroyed them as a military force. Beginning in Oct. 2001 the Northern Alliance and it’s Spec Ops advisers were pushing the Taliban South and East using local knowledge and muscle and US airpower. By the end of November the Taliban were simply trying to escape to Pakistan or slip away and blend back into the populace. The first uses of conventional forces was supporting the fall of Kandahar but there were not large numbers of conventional forces on the ground at the end of November. Also the heavy lift helicopters capable of delivering troops high in the mountains and resupplying them were in even shorter supply. The last stop on the path to Pakistan going east is in Tora Bora, which is often described as a fortress. It is actually the last bolthole where someone can hide in very inhospitable terrain still in Afghanistan, yet still be only several dozen miles to safety in Pakistan. Better yet the entire area is riddled with hundreds of smuggler’s trails offering a myriad of options for escape. In early December the CIA believed that bin Laden and close to one thousand Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters had made their way to Tora Bora and were sitting tight. The use of local militia had been amazingly successful thus far and given our limited airlift and combat troop levels was really the only option for operations against Tora Bora. The same methods used with the Northern Alliance were employed to recruit several local warlords to provide the troops needed to attack Tora Bora and to secure the escape routes. It is one thing to question this decision if there was an actual alternative that would have allowed us to use US troops to do the job, but for the reasons I have mentioned and others that was not a realistic option. http://www.blackfive.net/main/2006/09/tora_bora_did_w.html no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-05-06   14:54:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 15. #16. To: no gnu taxes (#15) Berntsen, who was back in Kabul, summoned several members of his team to tell him what they would need to take down bin Laden now that they thought they knew where he was. The response: "We need 800 Army Rangers between bin Laden and the border." Berntsen wrote to his superiors, begging for troops. His pleas went unanswered, according to a Senate Foreign Relations Committee report on Tora Bora. Without more manpower, Berntsen couldn't risk a ground assault. war  posted on  2011-05-06 14:55:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 15. 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