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Title: Hmmm, Do I “Want to Believe?”
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URL Source: http://constitutionclub.org/2011/05/04/hmmm-do-i-want-to-believe/
Published: May 5, 2011
Author: Regalo Di Spine
Post Date: 2011-05-05 02:01:58 by socalv8
Keywords: ulsterman, osama, obama
Views: 113738
Comments: 162
I have to admit, I read the some of the early Ulsterman articles. Have you? I should clarify though, I’ve always thought his articles only represented a clever fiction. The unknown author, the unidentified DC insider, the high level of information covering a broad spectrum partisan politics that cannot be confirmed, all of it screams fantasy. However, I have to wonder if it is possible that a political fiction, presented in Ulsterman’s Deep Throat style of outing interesting insider information, could end up proving prescient. Ulsterman’s May 3rd post on the inside workings of the operation to kill or capture OBL, prior to and following the execution of the mission, paints a picture of a President with little ability to make a decision on his own. It also attempts to paint key administration officials at Intelligence, State, and Defense (Panetta, Clinton, and Gates) as the actual movers and shakers in the mission to take out OBL. Like I said, I normally chalk up Ulsterman’s writings as simple fantasy but, even if the entire story came to him in a dream on May 2nd, it is crafted in such a way that it almost seems to be tracking right along side the news cycle rather than following it. In the three days following a significant benchmark in this country’s war against terrorism, the story about how it occurred, from planning to implementation, and even what is going to happen next, seems to be passing through a sieve as it’s being presented to public for consumption. A source here, a source there, speaking on the condition of anonymity, is sharing interesting information. Then, even clearly identified sources add their sound bites sending the press to push out the newest piece of the puzzle as soon as possible. But before the news cycle has ended, much of this information has been filtered out leaving fresh tidbits to replace unwelcomed narrative. As I mentioned in a previous post, this type of handling of the message breeds theories that there are alternatives to the official story. But, if you look at it in the context of Ulsterman’s article, the sifting of the official story almost seem to add credence to some of the elements of his report. Leon Panetta tells us the photo of a dead OBL is coming, the White House says, “No way.” John Brennan, Deputy National Security Advisor (read – an administration czar), tells the press that OBL was armed, that there was a firefight, and OBL shielded himself behind a woman. Then unidentified sources at the Pentagon claim BS on that, stating OBL was unarmed – this is followed by the White House issuing a more “textured account” of events on the ground, including a statement that OBL was unarmed. Plus, we’ve heard from the President that his decision making was extra decisive after taking nine months to confirm the intelligence about OBL’s location. Yet, at least one press outlet has published a report that suggests that the President wasn’t as decisive has he let on, still needing a little extra time to think on things before taking action. Without having read Ulsterman’s report, I would take all of the above to indicate several things; chief among them, there is no single point within the White House directing the narrative. This suggests that either central leadership within the administration is weak or the role of leader is up for grabs. I have to admit, I read the some of the early Ulsterman articles. Have you? I should clarify though, I’ve always thought his articles only represented a clever fiction. The unknown author, the unidentified DC insider, the high level of information covering a broad spectrum partisan politics that cannot be confirmed, all of it screams fantasy. However, I have to wonder if it is possible that a political fiction, presented in Ulsterman’s Deep Throat style of outing interesting insider information, could end up proving prescient. Ulsterman’s May 3rd post on the inside workings of the operation to kill or capture OBL, prior to and following the execution of the mission, paints a picture of a President with little ability to make a decision on his own. It also attempts to paint key administration officials at Intelligence, State, and Defense (Panetta, Clinton, and Gates) as the actual movers and shakers in the mission to take out OBL. Like I said, I normally chalk up Ulsterman’s writings as simple fantasy but, even if the entire story came to him in a dream on May 2nd, it is crafted in such a way that it almost seems to be tracking right along side the news cycle rather than following it. In the three days following a significant benchmark in this country’s war against terrorism, the story about how it occurred, from planning to implementation, and even what is going to happen next, seems to be passing through a sieve as it’s being presented to public for consumption. A source here, a source there, speaking on the condition of anonymity, is sharing interesting information. Then, even clearly identified sources add their sound bites sending the press to push out the newest piece of the puzzle as soon as possible. But before the news cycle has ended, much of this information has been filtered out leaving fresh tidbits to replace unwelcomed narrative. As I mentioned in a previous post, this type of handling of the message breeds theories that there are alternatives to the official story. But, if you look at it in the context of Ulsterman’s article, the sifting of the official story almost seem to add credence to some of the elements of his report. Leon Panetta tells us the photo of a dead OBL is coming, the White House says, “No way.” John Brennan, Deputy National Security Advisor (read – an administration czar), tells the press that OBL was armed, that there was a firefight, and OBL shielded himself behind a woman. Then unidentified sources at the Pentagon claim BS on that, stating OBL was unarmed – this is followed by the White House issuing a more “textured account” of events on the ground, including a statement that OBL was unarmed. Plus, we’ve heard from the President that his decision making was extra decisive after taking nine months to confirm the intelligence about OBL’s location. Yet, at least one press outlet has published a report that suggests that the President wasn’t as decisive has he let on, still needing a little extra time to think on things before taking action. Without having read Ulsterman’s report, I would take all of the above to indicate several things; chief among them, there is no single point within the White House directing the narrative. This suggests that either central leadership within the administration is weak or the role of leader is up for grabs. Even if Ulsterman’s report is no more than some blogger’s effort at drawing conclusions from the facts at hand, this administration is doing a fine job outing itself as an organization fraught with internal conflicts. If things keep going this way, it won’t take an unidentified insider to prove it to us.
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Repeated a few paragraphs, apologies.
Yes, an element of the so called right wing in America would rather believe made up fiction rather than accept reality.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Do you believe the video cut out right at the big moment?
Link to Ulsterman on LF.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Simple question you passed at #3 shows your interest in truth.
All of these folks were watching the same vids, but come out only hours later with very different POV's... " Who precisely made the claim that 'Osama' had a weapon and shot at US forces and that he used a woman as a human shield? What situation could a US soldier have found himself in where he thought he was under direct fire from a person in a room when he was in fact not? What possible scenario could have played out where a person was perceived to have used a 'human shield' when that person did no such thing?"
Let's see - Afghanistan / Washington D.C. / thousands of miles / if what you are thinking - a video feed from helmet cams existed streaming live - then yea it would and could cut out. I lose connection to wireless when I move from room to room sometimes. I read that what the DC room was watching was the external area and saw troops enter building but could not see inside building. Either explanation is plausible. I am not a tim foil hat kook and you don't have to be one either. Embrace Occam's Razo and reality will become clearer to you.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Can we see THAT vid? No.
Why should you see the workings of top secret Seal Team 6? Who the hell are you to see it?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Panetta vs. Jarrett pissing contest? Jarrett has bigger balls, but Panetta is winning.
A funder. I thought you hippies loved the FOIA?
Probably he was trying to warn him !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
Maybe he was bug-eyed and scared in that SITROOM pic because his colb was in that compound ! "Cut the helmet cam! Cut the helmet cam!"
I hate to step on your toes but that was a SECURECONNECTION using SATCOM. Your tax dollars (BILLIONS) provide the highest definition and reliability that modern technology can provide. There was no outage. It is considered classified data and any of this incident was prematurely publicized by 0bama. Now, all you see is backtracking. The question you should consider is WHY. It is because the entire operation was incorrectly handled. There are many ramifications about this operation GERONIMO that shall impact our own lives stateside as well as around th world.
How so? And yes, the "cut video" ploy is silly.
To: Justaham Were the SEAL’s able to recover Bin Laden’s signed copy of Audacity Of Hope? 11 posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 05:35:19 by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !) audassity !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
As you know, the OBL research team (out of the US Pentagon, a staff of about 15 personnel and about 100 field agents) was disbanded about 2008. Since then, there has been a renewed push by the 0bama administration to find him. But, there was never supposed to be a murder. It was supposed to be a kidnapping with the possibility of collecting detailed information about the entire past and current operations. The Pakistani AirForce caused an unexpected mishap as the entire venture was clandestine and took longer than was expected. They flew over the compound with two fully armed jet aircraft. And the mission was aborted thereafter for the safe return of the ground or field CIA personnel involved. This involved quick bungling the operation to ensure a valid claim was made. What it all means is that OBL wasn't captured as planned. And since the US government authorized the mission impacting international agreements, it has lead to the idea that the USA operates outside of established treaties and as a result has compromised its own reliability and agreements with established friendly nations. On the homefront, we have documented PROOF about how ruthless the US government is, with respect to using military force even if there is some likelihood that the person or persons are not involved with the mission. It is Waco, Tx, circa 1993 via Bill Clinton all over again. The US government does not act within the confines of law or any authority other than being a pile of jackbooted thugs.
I think osamma had quite a following among the gay crowd ! he had that come hither I love you look didn't he !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
Go on over to LP and ask yukon. Let us know what he says. Nah, just kidding. I don't give a damn about what he says.
"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - George W. Bush
Source?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." It must be terribly frustrating to have access to the internet and still remain as stupid as you do!
Moi.
So that's simply your conjecture? The Reuters account of what the locals observed differs with your scenario. They all stated that no Pakistani forces appeared untill after the raid.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." I would imagine that it's no more frustrating than it is for you to have access to basic hygiene and still be a one toothed skank.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Mammy, the grammatically correct way to state this is to say "and still remain as stupid as you are" You're welcome.
"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - George W. Bush
I have difficulty with the analysis in the above, bucky. I don't believe that there is a nation on earth that was surprised that, when found, we killed bin Laden. And of those nations, I'd be surprised if very many of them cared. Nor, frankly, do I believe that the US cares what the other nations ***think*** in this matter. We were going to announce that he got him. Why would we care about "covering up" anything at the point of ops? I find that you have some interesting opinions and I do enjoy reading them. I find this one to be a little outside the Realm of Reality...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." That too...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Still 'protecting' war from his obvious deficiencies, dummy? You do know that by avoiding the accusation, you both are lending substance to the accusation.
war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.
You know what your problem is, Rudy? You suffer from "Da Boofers". That's an affliction and affectation in which the afflicted has ongoing delusions that the internet really "matters". Mammy has that same afflication. If she wasn't currently in a video courtship with Boofer, I'd try to hook you two up...meanwhile...your test pattern is going to have to do...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." No, Rudy, I'm helping Mammy to become a more effective communicator. Would you like me to try and work you into my schedule too?
"We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates." — George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Oct. 4, 2001
Mammy, the grammatically correct way to state this is to say "and still remain as stupid as you are" Either is correct, Professor Grammar. It must be terribly frustrating to have access to the internet and still remain as stupid as you do! There is an implied remain after the do. Thus think as in this sentence: It must be terribly frustrating to have access to the internet and still remain as stupid as you do remain!
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Stick to being an engineer, Choo Choo Charlie; her use of "as you do" was idiomatic and remains so despite your inane attempt at intervention. But I can understand the reason why you'd want to change the subject here...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." That's horribly written. A tenth grade English teacher would have hit you with a ruler for writing that.
"We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates." — George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Oct. 4, 2001
That would have been fine on the Afghanistan battlefield wherein OBL had his notorious AK-47 with a 60 rnd ammo magazine as he has been pictured from time to time. But this isn't the case of an early morning military assault/raid into a private residence under the idea that OBL was there. I agree it was probable as the US military/intelligence seek definitive precision and accuracy about information. But, there is the possibility that all they found was the local late night pizza hut driver that delivers in the AM.
Wart follows the DNC list of approved sites, to accomplish that.
I recall a re-run of MASH I saw where this uber right winger named Colonel Flagg... See? Just mince from one childish accusation to another. You can't defend you statements and try to stall by asking others to do your homework for you. When you can't get away with that, you just change the subject. Tell me, bug. Do you get nervous in the bug spray aisle at your local supermarket?
war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.
Hilarity of that image aside, I have no doubt that they got bin Laden. And it would have been 4 drivers, no?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Either is correct.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Hey! Spelling Nazi! Let he who is without sin . . .
war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.
You're out of your Bushcock mind. Your piece of shit sentence was syntactically tortuous. That said, you do understand that the CIA and the NSA are two different agencies? And you do understand that what was authorized under Patriot is different than the CIA wiretapping a target overseas? My guess is you do but you'll "pretend" that you don't.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." [snicker]
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Huh? Just once will you please make a comment ON TOPIC. Thanks.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Maybe I should visit your homepage more...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Either is correct, Professor Grammar. I think their being stuck on grammar is the same as being stuck on stupid, it's their only defense in avoiding the issues!
The "issue" has been dispateched with all haste and facts, Mammy. The wiretap was a CIA op done overseas. The program Paddy and Boofer are referring to was the NSA domestic eavesdropping in the Patriot Act. Two different birds...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." So what? They are both part of the IC under the DNI. You don't think they communicate with each other? And you do understand that what was authorized under Patriot is different than the CIA wiretapping a target overseas? Who said the CIA intercepted the call? All I have seen referenced is "US Intelligence"? Under the Patriot Act, Bush had broad powers to fight terrorism. Bush used these powers to bypass the FISA court and directed the NSA to spy directly on al Qaeda in a new program. It was a gutsy call and the right thing to do.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Chuckles... So what?!? So what if the CIA was engaging in an intelligence gathering operation that it has been doing since wiretapping was invented? ROFLMAO...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." HUH?
Like you are qualified to know if that is the case? From what? Watching episodes of 24?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
My understanding is that it was the NSA who intercepted the courier's call. It took years of work for intelligence agencies to identify the courier's real name, which officials are not disclosing. When they did identify him, he was nowhere to be found. The CIA's sources didn't know where he was hiding. Bin Laden was famously insistent that no phones or computers be used near him, so the eavesdroppers at the National Security Agency kept coming up cold. Then in the middle of last year, the courier had a telephone conversation with someone who was being monitored by U.S. intelligence, according to an American official, who like others interviewed for this story spoke only on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive operation. The courier was located somewhere away from bin Laden's hideout when he had the discussion, but it was enough to help intelligence officials locate and watch him. So what information do you have that the NSA referenced in the 1st paragraph is different than the "US Intelligence" in the second?
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Well, I have some doubt but what is more revealing about GERONIMO is what was initially released into the publick and the later backtracking or changes about the original statements. Those helicopters used are not acoustically silent. Suppose, you were awakened in the AM with a WHOOSH over your home as those crafts landed and impacted your sleep as well as any colleagues. Wouldn't you be on the defensive? I would be defensive and I think most people would be. So, it is fairely simple to postulate that OBL would have been armed. But the WhiteHouse retractions are that OBL wasn't armed. Does that make sense? I think there is a problem with the story being fabricated as the WhiteHouse attempts to cover up the issues of a US President covertly attacking within a friendly nation for MURDER of a "suspect." In fact, becasue of retractions, I think 0bama jumped the gun for release and exposure of the assassination of OBL without serious understanding of the political ramifications that he committed.
I've seen it reported that, last year, the CIA was monitoring the calls of one target inside of Pakistan and were able to learn the name of the courier. Actually, they had the name. They just didn't know where he was. But, again, these were foreign intelligence gathering operations. This was not the domestic spying of the Patriot Act. Again, you are deperately trying to muddy the waters. The NSA program authorzied under Patriot is not what led to this information.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." The US media still reports that US forces captured Saddam while the rest of the world knows that he was captured by the Kurds and "handed over". So, the story changing neither concerns nor bothers me. Those helicopters used are not acoustically silent. Suppose, you were awakened in the AM with a WHOOSH over your home as those crafts landed and impacted your sleep as well as any colleagues. Wouldn't you be on the defensive? You're also domiciled near a Pakistani military installation. Frankly, I also have my doubts that they used "conventional" Blackhawks but, again, I don't care what they used. But the WhiteHouse retractions are that OBL wasn't armed. Had arms within reach is what I;ve read...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." That cuts both ways. What info do you have that it does? Regardless, this still was in no way under the auspice of he NSA program instituted by Patriot...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." That said... "T" and "Y" are right next to each other, Mammy... Better? And are you and "no gnu taxes" the same person?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." There has been nothing shown to indicate anyone other than the NSA was monitoring calls. But, again, these were foreign intelligence gathering operations. This was not the domestic spying of the Patriot Act. Bush had always maintained that his program was about foreign intercepts, and it could legally be done for national security purposes even if one of the parties was domestic. It was never about domestic spying.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
BULLSHIT. WASHINGTON, Dec. 15 - Months after the Sept. 11 attacks, President Bush secretly authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans and others inside the United States to search for evidence of terrorist activity without the court-approved warrants ordinarily required for domestic spying, according to government officials.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." To me, it appears to be another CIA "job" just like the Iraqi war. It is another failed mission. It is another government bungle. OBL will probably appear all over the world along the side of Elvis Presley now, because of the way the 0bama administration has handled this entire endeavour. You see, there are two ways to do things from an official perspective: a right way and a wrong way. Anything in between is considered a "wrong way." 0bama performed this GERONIMO_OPERATION the "wrong way." Particularly since there was no need to "rush" an assassination.
Osama bin Laden's compound in Pakistan had no mobile phones or computer links A SINGLE phone call to an al-Qaeda courier last year sealed the fate of fugitive Osama bin Laden. Abu Ahmed was the terror chief's lifeline to the world - and became his downfall. When Ahmed took the fate-ful call, he was unaware that the CIA were monitoring the lines of his closest associates. It was enough for the spies to locate him and track him to the compound in Pakistan where Bin Laden had been hiding out from justice for about six years. Osama bin Laden's compound in Pakistan had no mobile phones or computer links A SINGLE phone call to an al-Qaeda courier last year sealed the fate of fugitive Osama bin Laden. Abu Ahmed was the terror chief's lifeline to the world - and became his downfall. When Ahmed took the fate-ful call, he was unaware that the CIA were monitoring the lines of his closest associates. It was enough for the spies to locate him and track him to the compound in Pakistan where Bin Laden had been hiding out from justice for about six years. Osama bin Laden's compound in Pakistan had no mobile phones or computer links A SINGLE phone call to an al-Qaeda courier last year sealed the fate of fugitive Osama bin Laden. Abu Ahmed was the terror chief's lifeline to the world - and became his downfall. When Ahmed took the fate-ful call, he was unaware that the CIA were monitoring the lines of his closest associates. It was enough for the spies to locate him and track him to the compound in Pakistan where Bin Laden had been hiding out from justice for about six years. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2011/05/04/osama-bin-laden- single-phone-call-from-courier-led-cia-to-al-qaeda-leader-s-pakistan-compound- 86908-23106089/
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." I disagree. It was the Operation Chromite of the War on Terror. I'm glad he's dead. And if Moonbats want to turn him into a combo of Elvis and Andy Kaufmann and Moon Landings all in one then that's fine with me. He'll still be dead.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Here's the bottom line: Barack Obama put his entire presidency on the line last weekend when he ordered the commando assault of Bin Laden's compound. He could have taken the easy way out and ordered a bombing, but instead he chose the most difficult option because he correctly calculated that we needed proof that we had actually gotten Bin Laden. Had the mission failed. Had the stalled chopper crashed in mid-flight, had the two helicopters collided like in 1979, or had Bin Laden not been there, he would have been deemed a failure. His presidency would have been over, and he would have walked off into the sunset in 2012. Instead the mission is a success and the entire Republican narrative of Obama as a weak, vacillating leader who won't take risks and can't make up his mind is gone. Out the window, never to be seen again. This is driving Republicans up a wall as we see from the posters here and the GOP pundits on TV/Radio, trying to do everything they can to spin this as "Obama doesn't deserve any credit." That's false and they know it. What really eats them up is the fact that the mission succeeded. They, deep in their hearts wish that Bin Laden slipped away among the wreckage of dead SEALs and downed choppers because it would have damaged Obama beyond repair. That, IMHO, is utterly disgusting.
"Thats because your basically and idiot." HA HA...caught it before you did!!!!
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." You nailed exactly their Republican mindset.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
I don't think that is true. When the mansion (the US government affectionately calls the mansion a "compound") was built there were no hard lines for telephone services or the Internet. That doesn't preclude cellular devices or other wireless methods of communications. Since the mansion was expensive by Pakistani standards it is conceivable that wireless methods of information sharing was employed. And those same methods of communication were encrypted thus ensuring some immunity from extraneous sources such as government snooping.
There was satellite dishes for TV and cell phones were found.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
U.S. Department of Justice White Paper on NSA Legal Authorities "Legal Authorities Supporting the Activities of the National Security Agency Described by the President"
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Excellent analysis. Thanks!
Why? Bush did a great job, if in fact bi Laden was killed.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
I agree. Badeye for instance, is all ate up with the goofies because he has all these Jimmy Carter comparisons he can't use.
------------------------------------- Bravo...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Muddying the waters again, Padlock. The issue that you linked to was DOMESTIC EAVESDROPPING by the NSA.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." But the mission DID fail. Here is why: there is large speculation about the changes to the original "official story" coupled with international law abuses BEYOND conclusive proof that OBL was even assassinated. Again, the mission failed; it was botched; it has been modified by all accounts because 0bama does not know how to lead a team and then publicize the results in an official manner.
There was no domestic eavesdropping. It was all about foriegn terrorists and MAY have include calls to domestic recipients from them.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
As was pointed out, BULLSHIT. There was not only eavesdropping but data mining as well.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." OBL is dead bucky...finis...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." U.S. Department of Justice White Paper on NSA Legal Authorities "Legal Authorities Supporting the Activities of the National Security Agency Described by the President" Refer to the USDOJ White Paper on the matter which says anyone who claims this was domestic spying is full of it.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
and we didn't land on the moon either. And certainly 9/11 was a government setup because early reports said a small plane crashed into the towers. Sorry, I'm not one for conspiracy theories. War is a messy game and initial accounts of action usually aren't accurate.
"Thats because your basically and idiot." Not according to my sources. He is whooping IT up in a downtown Las Vegas casino right now while Elvis Presley is outside pan-handling for a photograph.
This wasn't war as is classically know in a battlefield situation. It was government sponsored MURDER with top US government officials holding their breath that they had the right data. Because there is no REAL official result, there is only one conclusion: it was a botched operation from the top down. And 0bama is in deep DOODOO with international relations on all fronts. As for the WINWIN situation, here.... shall we see America packing its own troops up from Afghanistan and Iraq or shall America continue for another ten years?
I respectfully disagree.
"Thats because your basically and idiot." "We have investigated ourselves and after a painstaking review of all the evidence...it is clear that we did NOTHING wrong." /asshole And I guess that ATT and Verizon et al admitting that they turned over their customer records was a bunch of lies.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." That year, the court said a government agent listening to a private phone call was the equivalent of a search. That ruling, in Katz vs. United States, required police and federal agents thereafter to obtain a search warrant from a judge before they wiretapped a phone. Still, phone records are not the same as phone conversations, and the high court refused to extend the privacy protections of the 4th Amendment to a list of dialed phone numbers. "We doubt that people in general entertain any actual expectation of privacy in the [phone] number they dial," the court said in the 1979 case of Smith vs. Maryland. This ruling gave the police freedom to obtain phone records without a warrant. To close that loophole, Congress enacted the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, forbidding the phone companies to divulge phone records. The law includes several exceptions. For example, phone records may be disclosed "with the lawful consent of the customer." Another exception involves "any emergency involving danger of death or serious physical injury." In such a situation, the "provider in good faith" may give the requested phone records to a government official. Bush administration officials have argued they faced such a national emergency after the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001. Many people feared another terrorist attack within the United States, and officials were anxious to quickly gather information. Bush was correct in his actions. I would ask that you just shut up and say "thank you." And the phone providers voluntarily submitted the information
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Fuck Bush.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." I respectfully disagree. One might say he was terminated with extreme prejudice.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
It is disgusting and more than a little frightening how far some are willing to go to see one man destroyed.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
I am glad you finally are feeling regret about how you leftards treated President Bush.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
I questioned Bush's judgment, not his citizenship, sexual identity, patriotism, or parentage. In general, Laura was treated much better by the left than either Hillary or Michelle has been treated by the right - were there any equivalents from the left of "Manchelle", "first Wookiee", or "Hitlery" applied to Laura?
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
Your admonishment and immediate engagement in much the the allegedly bad way Bush was deservedly treated by his critics shows just how empty your words usually are. Bush by far was the worst president in my lifetime. But people such as myself worry that someday an even worse person might get into the White House. So we need to have to watch what candidate emerges in the GOP field and not give then any quarter when the screw up. We need also need to ruthlessly and intensely work to get rid of tyrants on the state level like Scott Walker of Wisconsin and others. We don't need any more pander to the rich and corporate elite Presidents like Bush, who should be in prison for many of his crimes that he still needs to be accountable for; including his full scall invasion of Iraq under the pretentin it had something to do with 9 11.
Does that mean you questioned Obama's judgement as he has continued Bush's course on just about everything. not his citizenship, sexual identity, patriotism, or parentage. And Obama has brought that on himself by his own statements, secrecies, and actions.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
I'll let you know when the smoke clears and the last chapter of his presidency has bee written. And Obama has brought that on himself by his own statements, secrecies, and actions. Secrecies? That's largely a fiction made up by the right.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
rationalization The last chapter isn't often written until decades later. You already decided about Bush before his Presidency was ever complete.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
He invaded Iraq against my best advice. He made the decision to abandon a balanced budget for tax cuts. He started two wars with no plan to pay for either.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
All he did was provide a birth certificate and you guys created a game about short forms that are very common and legal that was just a waste of time and in and of itself was responsible for the controversy. It is the hight of hypocrisy that he started it, by rightfully defending himself by opportunistic and mean spirited attacks with a racist component to them.
Who did you ever advise? He simply acted upon the intelligence info that even the Democrats agreed with going back to Clinton's bonbings in 1998. He made the decision to abandon a balanced budget for tax cuts That is not a one or the other situation. Obama agreed to extend the Bush tax cuts. Are you giving up on Obama, too? He started two wars with no plan to pay for either. I see your hero has no plans for ending either. And under enormous criticism, Bush authorized the surge which completely turned Iraq around. Obama was against it before Bush's success.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
I am sure some Democrats agreed and some were intimidated by the climate of fear the Bush administration nurtured - "you hate Bush and you hate America". The weapons inspectors, the guys on the ground, did not find evidence to back the administrations "intelligence", and asked for more time. That is not a one or the other situation. Obama agreed to extend the Bush tax cuts. Are you giving up on Obama, too? Yep, the congressional two year olds had him by the short hairs and Obama capitulated. I see your hero has no plans for ending either. And under enormous criticism, Bush authorized the surge which completely turned Iraq around. Obama was against it before Bush's success. Obama is my hero? Gosh, I learn such interesting things about my thoughts and feelings from the right wing mind readers. Thank you for sharing my thoughts and feelings with me.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
Bush was a weapon of mass confusion that never should of invaded Iraq. All the surge was show creativity in labeling an escalation of forces for an illegal and immoral conflict Bush is criminally responsible for starting wasting lives and trillions of dollars in the commision of conducting it.
I am starting to think no gnu taxes stole your password and is acting as your sockpuppet.
It is the hight of hypocrisy that he started it, by rightfully defending himself by opportunistic and mean spirited attacks with a racist component to them. If you're talking about that amaturish document he had posted at whitehouse.gov, then I know you didn't do any research on it yourself, you took it at face value. I downloaded it from his website and transfered to my adobe and saw it for the miserable fraud it was. But I think that is beside the point after I discovered what Congress did to McCain when he decided to run in 08', he was raked over the coals over his eligibility. Congress tried to settle McCains Natural Born status by passing a resolution…. In doing so they, have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama was ineligible to be POTUS. The question that bugs the shit out of most people who can still think for themselves is, 'why McCain, and not Obama'? If you want to see the proof I will provide it, all of it, just say so, but something tells me you wouldn't know the thruth even if you staring at the 'resolution'! The loonie left and ignorant people like you are the ones who make this into a race issue, but none of you had a damn thing to say when it happened to McCain, WHY! Dispute what I say with facts, not inuendo's, or, 'what you think', because you don't think!
He is so perceptive; he knows me better than I know myself.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
The Democrat warnings go back to 1998. Explain how GOVERNOR Bush intimidated them. The obvious answer is they saw the same intelligence warnings Bush saw and didn't want to miss out on the limelight. Yep, the congressional two year olds had him by the short hairs and Obama capitulated. I guess that means you realize he is nothing but a self serving politician. Good strategy for a Dim, but hypocrisy for the GOP, right?
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Yet Obama promised to end, but continues.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
That's because he got your password. Next, there shall be "hotlinks" posted with graphic details. ROTFL.
Mammy...there's a reason why you "feel" as if you're a lone voice in the woods... You are...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." You live in an adobe? Doesn't the rain back there wash away the mud? And I have to say that I never knew that you claim to be a forensic documents examiner. The ones I've had contact with need to see the physical document before declaring it a fraud, but maybe you've got special powers.
"We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates." — George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Oct. 4, 2001
The war in Iraq is at the point where the Iraq government is arguing how much the U.S. owes for things like damage to utility and sewer line infrastructure the temporary walls everywhere in places like Baghdad caused as an example of how end stage things are there. You don't finish a war differently based on whether it was legal or not. You point is meaningless.
Chyea...she makes men disappear...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." The Senator Obama was a key supporter and co sponsor of the resolution by Congress certifying McCain as native born. Senator Obama did not want McCain's birth in Panama because of his father's service and need to be there in the military get in the way of his wishes to try to win the White House and become president.
Dude...don't get sucked into Mammy's Vortex...it's lethal...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Senator Obama did not want McCain's birth in Panama because of his father's service and need to be there in the military get in the way of his wishes to try to win the White House and become president. Let me ask you one question, don't wonder away onto any other issue, please. If it had turned out that McCains 'father' was a 'British' subject, but his mother was American, do you believe that McCain, by Congresses resolution, would he be eligible for POTUS?
Of course he would.
"We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates." — George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Oct. 4, 2001
Indeed, it is irrational at best to create a house of cards that Congress was conspiring to get McCain when Obama was the main supporter of the effort to make sure where McCain was born didn't become an issue. I would say one person's tornado is another's dust devil in the Walmart parking lot. Just making a humorful observation. There is no fuel here for a fire regarding this issue.
Yes. Because if his father had been a citizen of England and was serving the U.S. Military as was the point of the resolution, that fact would of trumped any issue regarding his citizenship. And I know all about this issue having served in the military with comrades in arms who weren't U.S. citizens.
Second the motion. CASE CLOSED! NEXT!
And you have documented proof of this? Show it!
So, in a roundabout way are you saying Obama's father served in the US military and in that manner his son skirts the citizenship clause?
war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.
They're going to be arguing this until they're dead. The whole country can collapse but this is the burning issue of our time.
"We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates." — George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Oct. 4, 2001
Mike, out of the goodness of his white, guilt ridden heart, is giving obumgler a free pass...his color you know, it's the burden he carries for us all...lol
Mammy, what is it with you and the race thing?
It's not me darlin, mike keeps bring up how everyone is racist if they question obama about anything. I just want him to show documentation for his defense of this man, or, STFU! &;-)
Well! Can you at least tell us which branch he served, and what year/war, he served during?
Do you understand the meaning of the word "if"?
"We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates." — George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Oct. 4, 2001
Google the oath everyone takes upon entering the Armed Forces of the United States yourself. You raise your right hand, you are uncle Sam's property, not subject to the authority of the British Crown. Nice try, but you didn't think this through well at all.
You raise your right hand, you are uncle Sam's property, not subject to the authority of the British Crown. Nice try, but you didn't think this through well at all. I thought as much, all mouth! He never served anywhere, and you can't cash the check your ass wrote!
Your question concerned McCain's high ranking Naval officer father. Your posed hypocritical question involved a "what if." If his Dad had been from England - and remember, he wasn't, this is a "what if' question. You do know what hypothetical means - I would hope; he would of sworn to uphold the U.S. Constitution and accept the president of the United States as his commander in chief. Which would make the resolution granting McCain has native born statue whether his father was English or American Native born in origin.
Ah, but McCain's father did serve in the Navy and rose to Flag officer rank. You are wrong.
And yet Clinton rejected the Abrams, Gary Bauer, William J. Bennett, Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Steve Forbes, Francis Fukuyama, Scooter Libby, Dan Quayle, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz plan for an Iraq invasion and world domination - go figure. I guess that means you realize he is nothing but a self serving politician. Good strategy for a Dim, but hypocrisy for the GOP, right? No need to convince me that Obama is not the messiah, I never believed he was.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
If his Dad had been from England - and remember, he wasn't, this is a "what if' question. You do know what hypothetical means - I would hope; he would of sworn to uphold the U.S. Constitution and accept the president of the United States as his commander in chief. Which would make the resolution granting Mccain has native born statue whether his father was English or American Native born in origin. You talk too much, you claimed Obama served in the US military, and this qualified him as a US citizen. When did Obama Sr. serve? Where did Obama Sr. serve? If you can back up this piece of BS, then we'll get back to McCain, but my moneys says you ain't got a leg to stand on.
Oh! btw, I already knew about his fathers military career history numb nuts, try to stay focused. We are talking about Obama's eligibility if one of his parents are NOT US citizens. His father was NOT a US citizen, he never served in the US military, ANYWHERE! Prove me wrong.
Why would I say President Obama was in the U.S. Armed forces and he wasn't? I responded to your hypothetical, and you can't keep the 'what if' in it separated from reality, whom I an talking about and in reference to what straight in your head. Perhaps instead of it being me who is talking too much, perhaps it is you who are not able to process enough factors at the same time, and so it just seems like I 'talk too much.' Thanks for sharing my dear. Work on it and when you get a flash of insight as to how everything we spoke of goes together, you will be in better shape to try to understand what you are trying to talk about, and what I actually said.
All you further prove here is you have no idea what you are talking about. Thanks for sharing, I am most amused.
So tell me, why did the forger reverse the type out of the background, and did he/she do it before or after adding the layers with the type?
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
If "one of his parents are not US citizens", they are not plural.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
I know exactly what I'm talking about, don't you worry one bit about me, it's you who can't back up your BS. Congress, in their Resolution 511, say that Obama Sr. is not a US citizen, you say he is, below is what they say, word for word, although the intire resolutio is very long, you Will Not find a 'singular parent' mentioned, they talk about 'parents', both parents, plural, being US citizens. But this may be way over your head. Both of McCains parents were American Citizens Barack Obama's father was a British subject, born in Kenya, Africa December 23, 2008 Senate Proves Obama Is Ineligible …in Resolution 511 Senate Proves Obama Is Ineligible No where in this resolution do they have parent as singular (one parent) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ definition : The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of [parentS] who are citizenS . http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0088_0162_ZO.html Congress tried to settle McCains Natural Born status by passing a resolution…. In doing so they, have proven Obama is ineligible to be POTUS. High lighted about 15 times parentS or citizenS [plural] (both parentS must be citizenS of the U.S.) Obama Sr. was not. When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. Barack Obama Sr. was born in 1936 in Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya You're snide remarks don't show how smart or cute you are Mike, just how low you'll go to keep from proving your end of a debate.
I believe he doubled the debt in his eight years. Cheney said deficits don't matter.
We can just borrow from old people and then not pay them back.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
Prove what? All you need is one of the parents to be a U.S. citizen for the child to have U.S. citizenship. And the fact of the President's Dad being from a Commonwealth nation means nothing. When Hong Kong's lease expired, there were thousands of panicking Chinese who were denied entry into Great Britain to live as they were not English subjects. Many of these Commonwealth Chinese people from Hong Hong settled in Vancouver, B.C. You have not show the President is not a U.S. citizen by current standards at all. So get your facts straight.
As obama planned or The Panetta/Clinton/Military Junta planned?
Signed, The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers !
You sure about that? Neither parent has to be a U.S. citizen for the child to be a U.S. citizen if born in the U.S. If only one parent is a U.S. citizen of a child born OUTSIDE the U.S., aren't there some residency requirements (X number of years in the U.S.) of that child before a certain age in order to be a U.S. citizen? The nationality law book is quite thick, and complicated. And we're still not talking "natural born".
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
You are correct. I was so annoyed that Murron was so behind the power curve on knowing that, I was not thinking myself, thanks fir the correction. I'm amazed Murron thinks I am trying to be snide. I was trying to be patient. She's female alright. We started out with a hypothetical about what it would mean if McCain's Dad were English and in the U.S. Army and then I get told it's not about that, it's this both parent requirement for citizenship thing. I have lost my sanity and the facts arguing with a woman. Especially when they are as befuddled as this one. I'll call it good in that I just lost the thread to the facts this time arguing with Murron. I care about the sanity thing more anyway. ;-D
Your "door kicker" lied, again.
He did now. Did he do this in a secret voice only you heard, or would you kindly like to be forthcoming enough to detail so that I know to what you refer? Thanks. Don't feel rushed now.
This thread could use a good dose of.... "I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_)
He made the only viable decision....the fact he required 16 hours to make that decision isn't surprising. He's not exactly decisive as we all know. It was a win for America in this fight. And a win for Owe-bama. No disputing it. That said, its not 'eating anyone up' the raid was sucessful. What is annoying is since Sunday night, the administration's looked disjointed due to the every changing story about what specifically happened during the raid. That kind of bungling is usually associated to the first six months of ANY new White House. We're in year three. Finally, I think Owe-bama made the right call on observing Muslim funeral rites, and then dumping the carcass of this homicidal maniac into the ocean. I look forward to Robert Ballard diving on the carcass in a couple of years.... (chuckle)
bin Laden's last Facebook Post: 'Brb! Someone's at the door!'
his last post was "i never should have bought an iPhone"
"Thats because your basically and idiot." Okay, thats mildly amusing.
bin Laden's last Facebook Post: 'Brb! Someone's at the door!'
Panetta vs. Jarrett pissing contest? Jarrett has bigger balls, but Panetta is winning. Bigger than all of them. If you're hearing from them now, they're not on charge.
The other half of that was: Having one parent who is a U.S. citizen does not automatically convey U.S. citizenship to the child, although a child born outside of the United States can be a U.S. citizen with only one U.S. citizen parent. Although posting on internet forums can bring you close to insanity, a reading of nationality law will certainly push you over the edge.
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
See Hillary.
That graphic is a perfect example of leftists/socialists. No maturity. No logic, honesty or integrity. No class. Basically, leftists are overgrown spoiled brats, that need a healthy dose of corporal punishment.
List of those unable to think: I'm actually surprised he used his foot instead of his head, because his head is much harder you know.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_)
"After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body." preened Obama. No firefight. Rushed liked, still wearing a golf shirt?
That tacky ferret split.
Where did I split to?
You're the kicking ferret...I'd never call you tacky.
Why thank you. I'd never call you tacky either.
See Hillary. Hillary's no bigger than Geithner. And Geithner's a tool.... I'm watching the military suits. This raid was done because Obama/Al CIAda were TOTALLY absent from the Arab Uprisings. The US EMpire had to get a new Ad Campaign. But first they had to kill off the old one. Which is why you've seen the Orwellian Non Stop OBL news for the last week. Everyone had to be programmed with the new MEME. Note that Not One protocol est 9/11 is being rescinded. So did we win a war? A battle? Does it make any difference?
That's funny!
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We should be so lucky. I'd prefer he drowned in a puddle of vomit in the street, left by a drunk dirtbag socialist union organizer. THAT would be good.
List of those unable to think: He's back and particularly defensive about our economy making his boy look bad.
#2. To: socalv8 (#1)
Hmmm, Do I “Want to Believe?”
#3. To: Godwinson (#2)
#4. To: Godwinson (#2)
the so called right wing
#5. To: socalv8 (#4)
#6. To: Godwinson (#5)
Ulsterman is too crazy
You don't believe the WH/CIA either, it sees to me. You're just cheerleading.
#7. To: socalv8 (#3)
Do you believe the video cut out right at the big moment?
#8. To: socalv8 (#6)
#9. To: Godwinson (#8)
I read that what the DC room was watching was the external area and saw troops enter building but could not see inside building.
Come on, they're full of shit and you know it.
#10. To: socalv8 (#9)
Can we see THAT vid? No.
#11. To: mcgowanjm (#7)
All of these folks were watching the same vids, but come out only hours later with very different POV's...
#12. To: Godwinson (#10)
Who the hell are you to see it?
#13. To: socalv8 (#0)
wasn’t as decisive has he let on, still needing a little extra time to think on things before taking action.
#14. To: BorisY (#13)
#15. To: Godwinson, socalv8 (#8)
Let's see - Afghanistan / Washington D.C. / thousands of miles / if what you are thinking - a video feed from helmet cams existed streaming live - then yea it would and could cut out. I lose connection to wireless when I move from room to room sometimes.
#16. To: buckeroo (#15)
There are many ramifications about this operation GERONIMO that shall impact our own lives stateside as well as around th world.
#17. To: socalv8 (#14)
#18. To: socalv8 (#16)
How so?
#19. To: buckeroo (#18)
(Edited)
#20. To: BorisY (#19)
I think osamma had quite a following among the gay crowd !
#21. To: buckeroo (#18)
--GW Bush
#22. To: war, buckeroo (#21)
"Source"?
#23. To: war (#21)
Source?
#24. To: buckeroo (#23)
--GW Bush
#25. To: Murron (#22)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
#26. To: Murron (#22)
It must be terribly frustrating to have access to the internet and still remain as stupid as you do!
#27. To: buckeroo (#18)
(Edited)
What it all means is that OBL wasn't captured as planned. And since the US government authorized the mission impacting international agreements, it has lead to the idea that the USA operates outside of established treaties and as a result has compromised its own reliability and agreements with established friendly nations.
--GW Bush
#28. To: Skip Intro (#26)
--GW Bush
#29. To: Skip Intro (#26)
#30. To: Rudgear (#29)
(Edited)
Still 'protecting' war from his obvious deficiencies, dummy? You do know that by avoiding the accusation, you both are lending substance to the accusation.
--GW Bush
#31. To: Rudgear (#29)
Still 'protecting' war from his obvious deficiencies, dummy?
#32. To: Skip Intro (#26)
It must be terribly frustrating to have access to the internet and still remain as stupid as you do!
#33. To: no gnu taxes (#32)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
#34. To: no gnu taxes (#32)
It must be terribly frustrating to have access to the internet and still remain as stupid as you do remain!
#35. To: war (#27)
I don't believe that there is a nation on earth that was surprised that, when found, we killed bin Laden.
#36. To: Murron (#22)
It must be terribly frustrating to have access to the internet and still remain as stupid as you do!
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
Godwinson posted on 2011-02-23 11:47:32 ET
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18011&Disp=46#C46
#37. To: war (#30)
#38. To: buckeroo (#35)
(Edited)
But, there is the possibility that all they found was the local late night pizza hut driver that delivers in the AM.
--GW Bush
#39. To: war (#33)
#40. To: war (#38)
I have no dount that they got bin Laden.
#41. To: no gnu taxes (#39)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
#42. To: Rudgear (#40)
#38. To: buckeroo (#35) (Edited)
--GW Bush
#43. To: Rudgear (#37)
Just mince from one childish accusation to another.
--GW Bush
#44. To: hondo68 (#36)
Wart follows the DNC list of approved sites, to accomplish that.
--GW Bush
#45. To: no gnu taxes (#32)
(Edited)
Mammy, the grammatically correct way to state this is to say "and still remain as stupid as you are"
#46. To: Murron (#45)
--GW Bush
#47. To: war (#41)
Yhat said, you do understand that the CIA and the NSA are two different agencies?
#48. To: no gnu taxes (#47)
So what?
--GW Bush
#49. To: war (#41)
"Yhat said"
#50. To: buckeroo (#15)
It is because the entire operation was incorrectly handled.
#51. To: war (#48)
So what if the CIA was engaging in an intelligence gathering operation
#52. To: war (#38)
I have no doubt that they got bin Laden.
#53. To: no gnu taxes (#47)
Who said the CIA intercepted the call?
--GW Bush
#54. To: buckeroo (#52)
(Edited)
Well, I have some doubt but what is more revealing about GERONIMO is what was initially released into the publick and the later backtracking or changes about the original statements.
--GW Bush
#55. To: no gnu taxes (#51)
So what information do you have that the NSA referenced in the 1st paragraph is different than the "US Intelligence" in the second?
--GW Bush
#56. To: Murron (#49)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
#57. To: war (#53)
I've seen it reported that, last year, the CIA was monitoring the calls of one target inside of Pakistan and were able to learn the name of the courier. Actually, they had the name. They just didn't know where he was.
#58. To: no gnu taxes (#57)
Bush had always maintained that his program was about foreign intercepts
--GW Bush
#59. To: war (#54)
#60. To: no gnu taxes (#57)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
#61. To: buckeroo (#59)
--GW Bush
#62. To: war, no gnu taxes, ferret mike, lucysmom, godwinson, rek, jwpegler, badeye, skip intro, fred mertz, rudgear, a k a stone (#58)
(Edited)
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#63. To: Murron (#54)
#54. To: buckeroo (#52) (Edited)
--GW Bush
#64. To: go65 (#62)
#65. To: war (#60)
Osama bin Laden's compound in Pakistan had no mobile phones or computer links
#66. To: buckeroo (#65)
(Edited)
That doesn't preclude cellular devices or other wireless methods of communications.
#67. To: war (#58)
The authorized intercepts are not domestic but rather foreign intelligence integral to the conduct of war and that the warrant requirements of FISA were implicitly superseded by the subsequent passage of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF)
#68. To: go65 (#62)
#69. To: go65 (#62)
(Edited)
What really eats them up is the fact that the mission succeeded.
#70. To: go65 (#62)
They, deep in their hearts wish that Bin Laden slipped away among the wreckage of dead SEALs and downed choppers because it would have damaged Obama beyond repair.
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#71. To: go65 (#62)
--GW Bush
#72. To: no gnu taxes (#67)
--GW Bush
#73. To: go65 (#62)
Had the mission failed.
#74. To: war (#72)
#75. To: no gnu taxes (#74)
There was no domestic eavesdropping.
--GW Bush
#76. To: buckeroo (#73)
--GW Bush
#77. To: war (#75)
The authorized intercepts are not domestic but rather foreign intelligence integral to the conduct of war and that the warrant requirements of FISA were implicitly superseded by the subsequent passage of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF)
#78. To: buckeroo (#73)
But the mission DID fail. Here is why: there is large speculation about the changes to the original "official story" coupled with international law abuses BEYOND conclusive proof that OBL was even assassinated.
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#79. To: war (#76)
OBL is dead
#80. To: go65 (#78)
War is a messy game and initial accounts of action usually aren't accurate.
#81. To: buckeroo (#80)
This wasn't war as is classically know in a battlefield situation. It was government sponsored MURDER with top US government officials holding their breath that they had the right data.
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#82. To: no gnu taxes (#77)
Refer to the USDOJ White Paper
--GW Bush
#83. To: war (#82)
The 4th Amendment forbids "unreasonable searches and seizures" by the government. But until 1967, a search was generally limited to the police entering a home.
#84. To: no gnu taxes (#83)
--GW Bush
#85. To: go65, buckeroo (#81)
This wasn't war as is classically know in a battlefield situation. It was government sponsored MURDER with top US government officials holding their breath that they had the right data.
#86. To: go65 (#62)
What really eats them up is the fact that the mission succeeded. They, deep in their hearts wish that Bin Laden slipped away among the wreckage of dead SEALs and downed choppers because it would have damaged Obama beyond repair. That, IMHO, is utterly disgusting.
#87. To: lucysmom (#86)
It is disgusting and more than a little frightening how far some are willing to go to see one man destroyed.
#88. To: no gnu taxes (#87)
I am glad you finally are feeling regret about how you leftards treated President Bush.
#89. To: no gnu taxes (#87)
"...leftards..."
#90. To: lucysmom (#88)
(Edited)
I questioned Bush's judgment
#91. To: no gnu taxes (#90)
Does that mead you questioned Obama's judgement as he has continued Bush's course on just about everything.
#92. To: lucysmom (#91)
I'll let you know when the smoke clears and the last chapter of his presidency has bee written.
#93. To: no gnu taxes (#92)
You already decided about Bush before his Presidency was ever complete.
#94. To: no gnu taxes (#90)
"And Obama has brought that on himself by his own statements, secrecies, and actions."
#95. To: lucysmom (#93)
He invaded Iraq against my best advice.
#96. To: no gnu taxes (#95)
He simply acted upon the intelligence info that even the Democrats agreed with going back to Clinton's bonbings in 1998.
#97. To: no gnu taxes (#95)
"I see your hero has no plans for ending either. And under enormous criticism, Bush authorized the surge which completely turned Iraq around. Obama was against it before Bush's success."
#98. To: lucysmom, no gnu taxes (#96)
Thank you for sharing my thoughts and feelings with me.
#99. To: Ferret Mike, no gnu taxes, ALL (#94)
All he did was provide a birth certificate and you guys created a game about short forms that are very common and legal that was just a waste of time and in and of itself was responsible for the controversy.
#100. To: buckeroo (#98)
#101. To: lucysmom (#96)
I am sure some Democrats agreed and some were intimidated by the climate of fear the Bush administration
#102. To: Ferret Mike (#97)
All the surge was show creativity in labeling an escalation of forces for an illegal and immoral conflict Bush is criminally responsible for
#103. To: lucysmom (#100)
He is so perceptive; he knows me better than I know myself.
#104. To: Murron (#99)
--GW Bush
#105. To: Murron (#99)
I downloaded it from his website and transfered to my adobe
#106. To: no gnu taxes (#102)
(Edited)
#107. To: Skip Intro (#105)
...but maybe you've got special powers.
--GW Bush
#108. To: Murron (#99)
"But I think that is beside the point after I discovered what Congress did to McCain when he decided to run in 08', he was raked over the coals over his eligibility."
#109. To: Ferret Mike (#108)
--GW Bush
#110. To: Ferret Mike (#108)
The Senator Obama was a key supporter and co sponsor of the resolution by Congress certifying McCain as native born.
#111. To: Murron (#110)
If it had turned out that McCains 'father' was a 'British' subject, but his mother was American, do you believe that McCain, by Congresses resolution, would he be eligible for POTUS?
#112. To: war (#109)
Dude...don't get sucked into Mammy's Vortex...it's lethal..."
#113. To: Murron (#110)
(Edited)
"If it had turned out that McCains 'father' was a 'British' subject, but his mother was American, do you believe that McCain, by Congresses resolution, would he be eligible for POTUS? "
#114. To: Skip Intro, Murron (#111)
Of course he would.
#115. To: Ferret Mike (#113)
Yes. Because if his father had been a citizen of England and was serving the U.S. Military as was the point of the resolution, that fact would of trumped any issue regarding his citizenship.
#116. To: Ferret Mike (#113)
#117. To: buckeroo (#114)
Second the motion. CASE CLOSED! NEXT!
#118. To: Rudgear (#116)
So, in a roundabout way are you saying Obama's father served in the US military and in that manner his son skirts the citizenship clause?
#119. To: Murron (#118)
...is giving obumgler a free pass...his color you know,...
#120. To: Fred Mertz (#119)
#121. To: Ferret Mike (#113)
Because if his father had been a citizen of England and was serving the U.S. Military
#122. To: Murron (#121)
Because if his father had been a citizen of England and was serving the U.S. Military
#123. To: Murron (#115)
"And you have documented proof of this? Show it!"
#124. To: Ferret Mike (#123)
Google the oath everyone takes upon entering the Armed Forces of the United States yourself.
#125. To: Murron (#121)
(Edited)
"Well! Can you at least tell us which branch he served, and what year/war, he served during?"
#126. To: Murron (#124)
"I thought as much, all mouth! He never served anywhere, and you can't cash the check your ass wrote!"
#127. To: no gnu taxes (#101)
The Democrat warnings go back to 1998. Explain how GOVERNOR Bush intimidated them. The obvious answer is they saw the same intelligence warnings Bush saw and didn't want to miss out on the limelight.
#128. To: Ferret Mike (#125)
Your question concerned McCain's high ranking Naval officer father. Your posed hypocritical question involved a "what if."
#129. To: Ferret Mike (#126)
(Edited)
Ah, but McCain's father did serve in the Navy and rose to Flag officer rank. You are wrong.
#130. To: Murron (#128)
#131. To: Murron (#129)
"Oh! btw, I already knew about his fathers military career history numb nuts, try to stay focused. We are talking about Obama's eligibility if both his parents are NOT US citizens. His father was NOT a US citizen, he never served in the US military, ANYWHERE! Prove me wrong."
#132. To: Murron (#99)
I downloaded it from his website and transfered to my adobe and saw it for the miserable fraud it was.
#133. To: Murron (#129)
...if one of his parents are NOT US citizens...
#134. To: Ferret Mike (#131)
All you further prove here is you have no idea what you are talking about. Thanks for sharing, I am most amused.
#135. To: no gnu taxes, lucysmom (#93)
He made the decision to abandon a balanced budget for tax cuts.
#136. To: NewsJunky (#135)
Cheney said deficits don't matter.
#137. To: Murron (#134)
"You're snide remarks don't show how smart or cute you are Mike, just how low you'll go to keep from proving your end of a debate."
#138. To: buckeroo (#18)
What it all means is that OBL wasn't captured as planned.
#139. To: BorisY (#17)
Were the SEAL’s able to recover Bin Laden’s signed copy of Audacity Of Hope?
#140. To: Ferret Mike (#137)
All you need is one of the parents to be a U.S. citizen for the child to have U.S. citizenship.
#141. To: Wood_Chopper (#140)
(Edited)
"Neither parent has to be a U.S. citizen for the child to be a U.S. citizen if born in the U.S."
#142. To: Ferret Mike (#141)
#143. To: socalv8 (#142)
#144. To: All (#143)
#145. To: go65 (#62)
Barack Obama put his entire presidency on the line last weekend when he ordered the commando assault of Bin Laden's compound. He could have taken the easy way out and ordered a bombing, but instead he chose the most difficult option because he correctly calculated that we needed proof that we had actually gotten Bin Laden.
#146. To: Badeye (#145)
bin Laden's last Facebook Post: 'Brb! Someone's at the door!'
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#147. To: go65 (#146)
#148. To: socalv8 (#11)
All of these folks were watching the same vids, but come out only hours later with very different POV's...
#149. To: Ferret Mike (#141)
#150. To: mcgowanjm (#148)
Bigger than all of them.
#151. To: socalv8 (#142)
Your "door kicker" lied, again.
mcgowanjm, ferret mike, skippy, fartboy/yukko, white sands, bucky, lucys idiot mom, e_type_jackoff, go56, badlie, wreck, calCON, Kafir, war, Banjo Boris, Biff, Godwinson and meguro. If you're on the above list...? PISS OFF.
#152. To: socalv8 (#142)
Your "door kicker" lied, again.
#153. To: Ferret Mike (#143)
Thanks. Don't feel rushed now.
#154. To: Capitalist Eric (#151)
That graphic is a perfect example of leftists/socialists.
#155. To: socalv8 (#154)
#156. To: Ferret Mike (#155)
#157. To: socalv8 (#156)
#158. To: socalv8 (#150)
Bigger than all of them.
#159. To: mcgowanjm (#158)
Al CIAda
#160. To: socalv8 (#159)
#161. To: socalv8 (#154)
(Edited)
That tacky ferret split.
mcgowanjm, ferret mike, skippy, fartboy/yukko, white sands, bucky, lucys idiot mom, e_type_jackoff, go56, badlie, wreck, calCON, Kafir, war, Banjo Boris, Biff, Godwinson and meguro. If you're on the above list...? PISS OFF.
Bumper sticker on DwarF's car:
#162. To: Capitalist Eric (#161)
THAT would be good.
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