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Title: Hmmm, Do I “Want to Believe?”
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URL Source: http://constitutionclub.org/2011/05/04/hmmm-do-i-want-to-believe/
Published: May 5, 2011
Author: Regalo Di Spine
Post Date: 2011-05-05 02:01:58 by socalv8
Keywords: ulsterman, osama, obama
Views: 113866
Comments: 162
I have to admit, I read the some of the early Ulsterman articles. Have you? I should clarify though, I’ve always thought his articles only represented a clever fiction. The unknown author, the unidentified DC insider, the high level of information covering a broad spectrum partisan politics that cannot be confirmed, all of it screams fantasy. However, I have to wonder if it is possible that a political fiction, presented in Ulsterman’s Deep Throat style of outing interesting insider information, could end up proving prescient. Ulsterman’s May 3rd post on the inside workings of the operation to kill or capture OBL, prior to and following the execution of the mission, paints a picture of a President with little ability to make a decision on his own. It also attempts to paint key administration officials at Intelligence, State, and Defense (Panetta, Clinton, and Gates) as the actual movers and shakers in the mission to take out OBL. Like I said, I normally chalk up Ulsterman’s writings as simple fantasy but, even if the entire story came to him in a dream on May 2nd, it is crafted in such a way that it almost seems to be tracking right along side the news cycle rather than following it. In the three days following a significant benchmark in this country’s war against terrorism, the story about how it occurred, from planning to implementation, and even what is going to happen next, seems to be passing through a sieve as it’s being presented to public for consumption. A source here, a source there, speaking on the condition of anonymity, is sharing interesting information. Then, even clearly identified sources add their sound bites sending the press to push out the newest piece of the puzzle as soon as possible. But before the news cycle has ended, much of this information has been filtered out leaving fresh tidbits to replace unwelcomed narrative. As I mentioned in a previous post, this type of handling of the message breeds theories that there are alternatives to the official story. But, if you look at it in the context of Ulsterman’s article, the sifting of the official story almost seem to add credence to some of the elements of his report. Leon Panetta tells us the photo of a dead OBL is coming, the White House says, “No way.” John Brennan, Deputy National Security Advisor (read – an administration czar), tells the press that OBL was armed, that there was a firefight, and OBL shielded himself behind a woman. Then unidentified sources at the Pentagon claim BS on that, stating OBL was unarmed – this is followed by the White House issuing a more “textured account” of events on the ground, including a statement that OBL was unarmed. Plus, we’ve heard from the President that his decision making was extra decisive after taking nine months to confirm the intelligence about OBL’s location. Yet, at least one press outlet has published a report that suggests that the President wasn’t as decisive has he let on, still needing a little extra time to think on things before taking action. Without having read Ulsterman’s report, I would take all of the above to indicate several things; chief among them, there is no single point within the White House directing the narrative. This suggests that either central leadership within the administration is weak or the role of leader is up for grabs. I have to admit, I read the some of the early Ulsterman articles. Have you? I should clarify though, I’ve always thought his articles only represented a clever fiction. The unknown author, the unidentified DC insider, the high level of information covering a broad spectrum partisan politics that cannot be confirmed, all of it screams fantasy. However, I have to wonder if it is possible that a political fiction, presented in Ulsterman’s Deep Throat style of outing interesting insider information, could end up proving prescient. Ulsterman’s May 3rd post on the inside workings of the operation to kill or capture OBL, prior to and following the execution of the mission, paints a picture of a President with little ability to make a decision on his own. It also attempts to paint key administration officials at Intelligence, State, and Defense (Panetta, Clinton, and Gates) as the actual movers and shakers in the mission to take out OBL. Like I said, I normally chalk up Ulsterman’s writings as simple fantasy but, even if the entire story came to him in a dream on May 2nd, it is crafted in such a way that it almost seems to be tracking right along side the news cycle rather than following it. In the three days following a significant benchmark in this country’s war against terrorism, the story about how it occurred, from planning to implementation, and even what is going to happen next, seems to be passing through a sieve as it’s being presented to public for consumption. A source here, a source there, speaking on the condition of anonymity, is sharing interesting information. Then, even clearly identified sources add their sound bites sending the press to push out the newest piece of the puzzle as soon as possible. But before the news cycle has ended, much of this information has been filtered out leaving fresh tidbits to replace unwelcomed narrative. As I mentioned in a previous post, this type of handling of the message breeds theories that there are alternatives to the official story. But, if you look at it in the context of Ulsterman’s article, the sifting of the official story almost seem to add credence to some of the elements of his report. Leon Panetta tells us the photo of a dead OBL is coming, the White House says, “No way.” John Brennan, Deputy National Security Advisor (read – an administration czar), tells the press that OBL was armed, that there was a firefight, and OBL shielded himself behind a woman. Then unidentified sources at the Pentagon claim BS on that, stating OBL was unarmed – this is followed by the White House issuing a more “textured account” of events on the ground, including a statement that OBL was unarmed. Plus, we’ve heard from the President that his decision making was extra decisive after taking nine months to confirm the intelligence about OBL’s location. Yet, at least one press outlet has published a report that suggests that the President wasn’t as decisive has he let on, still needing a little extra time to think on things before taking action. Without having read Ulsterman’s report, I would take all of the above to indicate several things; chief among them, there is no single point within the White House directing the narrative. This suggests that either central leadership within the administration is weak or the role of leader is up for grabs. Even if Ulsterman’s report is no more than some blogger’s effort at drawing conclusions from the facts at hand, this administration is doing a fine job outing itself as an organization fraught with internal conflicts. If things keep going this way, it won’t take an unidentified insider to prove it to us.
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#52. To: war (#38)
Well, I have some doubt but what is more revealing about GERONIMO is what was initially released into the publick and the later backtracking or changes about the original statements. Those helicopters used are not acoustically silent. Suppose, you were awakened in the AM with a WHOOSH over your home as those crafts landed and impacted your sleep as well as any colleagues. Wouldn't you be on the defensive? I would be defensive and I think most people would be. So, it is fairely simple to postulate that OBL would have been armed. But the WhiteHouse retractions are that OBL wasn't armed. Does that make sense? I think there is a problem with the story being fabricated as the WhiteHouse attempts to cover up the issues of a US President covertly attacking within a friendly nation for MURDER of a "suspect." In fact, becasue of retractions, I think 0bama jumped the gun for release and exposure of the assassination of OBL without serious understanding of the political ramifications that he committed.
I've seen it reported that, last year, the CIA was monitoring the calls of one target inside of Pakistan and were able to learn the name of the courier. Actually, they had the name. They just didn't know where he was. But, again, these were foreign intelligence gathering operations. This was not the domestic spying of the Patriot Act. Again, you are deperately trying to muddy the waters. The NSA program authorzied under Patriot is not what led to this information.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." The US media still reports that US forces captured Saddam while the rest of the world knows that he was captured by the Kurds and "handed over". So, the story changing neither concerns nor bothers me. Those helicopters used are not acoustically silent. Suppose, you were awakened in the AM with a WHOOSH over your home as those crafts landed and impacted your sleep as well as any colleagues. Wouldn't you be on the defensive? You're also domiciled near a Pakistani military installation. Frankly, I also have my doubts that they used "conventional" Blackhawks but, again, I don't care what they used. But the WhiteHouse retractions are that OBL wasn't armed. Had arms within reach is what I;ve read...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." That cuts both ways. What info do you have that it does? Regardless, this still was in no way under the auspice of he NSA program instituted by Patriot...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." That said... "T" and "Y" are right next to each other, Mammy... Better? And are you and "no gnu taxes" the same person?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." There has been nothing shown to indicate anyone other than the NSA was monitoring calls. But, again, these were foreign intelligence gathering operations. This was not the domestic spying of the Patriot Act. Bush had always maintained that his program was about foreign intercepts, and it could legally be done for national security purposes even if one of the parties was domestic. It was never about domestic spying.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
BULLSHIT. WASHINGTON, Dec. 15 - Months after the Sept. 11 attacks, President Bush secretly authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans and others inside the United States to search for evidence of terrorist activity without the court-approved warrants ordinarily required for domestic spying, according to government officials.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." To me, it appears to be another CIA "job" just like the Iraqi war. It is another failed mission. It is another government bungle. OBL will probably appear all over the world along the side of Elvis Presley now, because of the way the 0bama administration has handled this entire endeavour. You see, there are two ways to do things from an official perspective: a right way and a wrong way. Anything in between is considered a "wrong way." 0bama performed this GERONIMO_OPERATION the "wrong way." Particularly since there was no need to "rush" an assassination.
Osama bin Laden's compound in Pakistan had no mobile phones or computer links A SINGLE phone call to an al-Qaeda courier last year sealed the fate of fugitive Osama bin Laden. Abu Ahmed was the terror chief's lifeline to the world - and became his downfall. When Ahmed took the fate-ful call, he was unaware that the CIA were monitoring the lines of his closest associates. It was enough for the spies to locate him and track him to the compound in Pakistan where Bin Laden had been hiding out from justice for about six years. Osama bin Laden's compound in Pakistan had no mobile phones or computer links A SINGLE phone call to an al-Qaeda courier last year sealed the fate of fugitive Osama bin Laden. Abu Ahmed was the terror chief's lifeline to the world - and became his downfall. When Ahmed took the fate-ful call, he was unaware that the CIA were monitoring the lines of his closest associates. It was enough for the spies to locate him and track him to the compound in Pakistan where Bin Laden had been hiding out from justice for about six years. Osama bin Laden's compound in Pakistan had no mobile phones or computer links A SINGLE phone call to an al-Qaeda courier last year sealed the fate of fugitive Osama bin Laden. Abu Ahmed was the terror chief's lifeline to the world - and became his downfall. When Ahmed took the fate-ful call, he was unaware that the CIA were monitoring the lines of his closest associates. It was enough for the spies to locate him and track him to the compound in Pakistan where Bin Laden had been hiding out from justice for about six years. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2011/05/04/osama-bin-laden- single-phone-call-from-courier-led-cia-to-al-qaeda-leader-s-pakistan-compound- 86908-23106089/
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." I disagree. It was the Operation Chromite of the War on Terror. I'm glad he's dead. And if Moonbats want to turn him into a combo of Elvis and Andy Kaufmann and Moon Landings all in one then that's fine with me. He'll still be dead.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Here's the bottom line: Barack Obama put his entire presidency on the line last weekend when he ordered the commando assault of Bin Laden's compound. He could have taken the easy way out and ordered a bombing, but instead he chose the most difficult option because he correctly calculated that we needed proof that we had actually gotten Bin Laden. Had the mission failed. Had the stalled chopper crashed in mid-flight, had the two helicopters collided like in 1979, or had Bin Laden not been there, he would have been deemed a failure. His presidency would have been over, and he would have walked off into the sunset in 2012. Instead the mission is a success and the entire Republican narrative of Obama as a weak, vacillating leader who won't take risks and can't make up his mind is gone. Out the window, never to be seen again. This is driving Republicans up a wall as we see from the posters here and the GOP pundits on TV/Radio, trying to do everything they can to spin this as "Obama doesn't deserve any credit." That's false and they know it. What really eats them up is the fact that the mission succeeded. They, deep in their hearts wish that Bin Laden slipped away among the wreckage of dead SEALs and downed choppers because it would have damaged Obama beyond repair. That, IMHO, is utterly disgusting.
"Thats because your basically and idiot." HA HA...caught it before you did!!!!
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." You nailed exactly their Republican mindset.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
I don't think that is true. When the mansion (the US government affectionately calls the mansion a "compound") was built there were no hard lines for telephone services or the Internet. That doesn't preclude cellular devices or other wireless methods of communications. Since the mansion was expensive by Pakistani standards it is conceivable that wireless methods of information sharing was employed. And those same methods of communication were encrypted thus ensuring some immunity from extraneous sources such as government snooping.
There was satellite dishes for TV and cell phones were found.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
U.S. Department of Justice White Paper on NSA Legal Authorities "Legal Authorities Supporting the Activities of the National Security Agency Described by the President"
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Excellent analysis. Thanks!
Why? Bush did a great job, if in fact bi Laden was killed.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
I agree. Badeye for instance, is all ate up with the goofies because he has all these Jimmy Carter comparisons he can't use.
------------------------------------- Bravo...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Muddying the waters again, Padlock. The issue that you linked to was DOMESTIC EAVESDROPPING by the NSA.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." But the mission DID fail. Here is why: there is large speculation about the changes to the original "official story" coupled with international law abuses BEYOND conclusive proof that OBL was even assassinated. Again, the mission failed; it was botched; it has been modified by all accounts because 0bama does not know how to lead a team and then publicize the results in an official manner.
There was no domestic eavesdropping. It was all about foriegn terrorists and MAY have include calls to domestic recipients from them.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
As was pointed out, BULLSHIT. There was not only eavesdropping but data mining as well.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." OBL is dead bucky...finis...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." U.S. Department of Justice White Paper on NSA Legal Authorities "Legal Authorities Supporting the Activities of the National Security Agency Described by the President" Refer to the USDOJ White Paper on the matter which says anyone who claims this was domestic spying is full of it.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
and we didn't land on the moon either. And certainly 9/11 was a government setup because early reports said a small plane crashed into the towers. Sorry, I'm not one for conspiracy theories. War is a messy game and initial accounts of action usually aren't accurate.
"Thats because your basically and idiot." Not according to my sources. He is whooping IT up in a downtown Las Vegas casino right now while Elvis Presley is outside pan-handling for a photograph.
This wasn't war as is classically know in a battlefield situation. It was government sponsored MURDER with top US government officials holding their breath that they had the right data. Because there is no REAL official result, there is only one conclusion: it was a botched operation from the top down. And 0bama is in deep DOODOO with international relations on all fronts. As for the WINWIN situation, here.... shall we see America packing its own troops up from Afghanistan and Iraq or shall America continue for another ten years?
I respectfully disagree.
"Thats because your basically and idiot." "We have investigated ourselves and after a painstaking review of all the evidence...it is clear that we did NOTHING wrong." /asshole And I guess that ATT and Verizon et al admitting that they turned over their customer records was a bunch of lies.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." That year, the court said a government agent listening to a private phone call was the equivalent of a search. That ruling, in Katz vs. United States, required police and federal agents thereafter to obtain a search warrant from a judge before they wiretapped a phone. Still, phone records are not the same as phone conversations, and the high court refused to extend the privacy protections of the 4th Amendment to a list of dialed phone numbers. "We doubt that people in general entertain any actual expectation of privacy in the [phone] number they dial," the court said in the 1979 case of Smith vs. Maryland. This ruling gave the police freedom to obtain phone records without a warrant. To close that loophole, Congress enacted the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, forbidding the phone companies to divulge phone records. The law includes several exceptions. For example, phone records may be disclosed "with the lawful consent of the customer." Another exception involves "any emergency involving danger of death or serious physical injury." In such a situation, the "provider in good faith" may give the requested phone records to a government official. Bush administration officials have argued they faced such a national emergency after the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001. Many people feared another terrorist attack within the United States, and officials were anxious to quickly gather information. Bush was correct in his actions. I would ask that you just shut up and say "thank you." And the phone providers voluntarily submitted the information
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Fuck Bush.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." I respectfully disagree. One might say he was terminated with extreme prejudice.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
It is disgusting and more than a little frightening how far some are willing to go to see one man destroyed.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
I am glad you finally are feeling regret about how you leftards treated President Bush.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
I questioned Bush's judgment, not his citizenship, sexual identity, patriotism, or parentage. In general, Laura was treated much better by the left than either Hillary or Michelle has been treated by the right - were there any equivalents from the left of "Manchelle", "first Wookiee", or "Hitlery" applied to Laura?
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
Your admonishment and immediate engagement in much the the allegedly bad way Bush was deservedly treated by his critics shows just how empty your words usually are. Bush by far was the worst president in my lifetime. But people such as myself worry that someday an even worse person might get into the White House. So we need to have to watch what candidate emerges in the GOP field and not give then any quarter when the screw up. We need also need to ruthlessly and intensely work to get rid of tyrants on the state level like Scott Walker of Wisconsin and others. We don't need any more pander to the rich and corporate elite Presidents like Bush, who should be in prison for many of his crimes that he still needs to be accountable for; including his full scall invasion of Iraq under the pretentin it had something to do with 9 11.
Does that mean you questioned Obama's judgement as he has continued Bush's course on just about everything. not his citizenship, sexual identity, patriotism, or parentage. And Obama has brought that on himself by his own statements, secrecies, and actions.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
I'll let you know when the smoke clears and the last chapter of his presidency has bee written. And Obama has brought that on himself by his own statements, secrecies, and actions. Secrecies? That's largely a fiction made up by the right.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
rationalization The last chapter isn't often written until decades later. You already decided about Bush before his Presidency was ever complete.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI have no doubt that they got bin Laden.
#53. To: no gnu taxes (#47)
Who said the CIA intercepted the call?
--GW Bush
#54. To: buckeroo (#52)
(Edited)
Well, I have some doubt but what is more revealing about GERONIMO is what was initially released into the publick and the later backtracking or changes about the original statements.
--GW Bush
#55. To: no gnu taxes (#51)
So what information do you have that the NSA referenced in the 1st paragraph is different than the "US Intelligence" in the second?
--GW Bush
#56. To: Murron (#49)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
#57. To: war (#53)
I've seen it reported that, last year, the CIA was monitoring the calls of one target inside of Pakistan and were able to learn the name of the courier. Actually, they had the name. They just didn't know where he was.
#58. To: no gnu taxes (#57)
Bush had always maintained that his program was about foreign intercepts
--GW Bush
#59. To: war (#54)
#60. To: no gnu taxes (#57)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
#61. To: buckeroo (#59)
--GW Bush
#62. To: war, no gnu taxes, ferret mike, lucysmom, godwinson, rek, jwpegler, badeye, skip intro, fred mertz, rudgear, a k a stone (#58)
(Edited)
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#63. To: Murron (#54)
#54. To: buckeroo (#52) (Edited)
--GW Bush
#64. To: go65 (#62)
#65. To: war (#60)
Osama bin Laden's compound in Pakistan had no mobile phones or computer links
#66. To: buckeroo (#65)
(Edited)
That doesn't preclude cellular devices or other wireless methods of communications.
#67. To: war (#58)
The authorized intercepts are not domestic but rather foreign intelligence integral to the conduct of war and that the warrant requirements of FISA were implicitly superseded by the subsequent passage of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF)
#68. To: go65 (#62)
#69. To: go65 (#62)
(Edited)
What really eats them up is the fact that the mission succeeded.
#70. To: go65 (#62)
They, deep in their hearts wish that Bin Laden slipped away among the wreckage of dead SEALs and downed choppers because it would have damaged Obama beyond repair.
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#71. To: go65 (#62)
--GW Bush
#72. To: no gnu taxes (#67)
--GW Bush
#73. To: go65 (#62)
Had the mission failed.
#74. To: war (#72)
#75. To: no gnu taxes (#74)
There was no domestic eavesdropping.
--GW Bush
#76. To: buckeroo (#73)
--GW Bush
#77. To: war (#75)
The authorized intercepts are not domestic but rather foreign intelligence integral to the conduct of war and that the warrant requirements of FISA were implicitly superseded by the subsequent passage of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF)
#78. To: buckeroo (#73)
But the mission DID fail. Here is why: there is large speculation about the changes to the original "official story" coupled with international law abuses BEYOND conclusive proof that OBL was even assassinated.
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#79. To: war (#76)
OBL is dead
#80. To: go65 (#78)
War is a messy game and initial accounts of action usually aren't accurate.
#81. To: buckeroo (#80)
This wasn't war as is classically know in a battlefield situation. It was government sponsored MURDER with top US government officials holding their breath that they had the right data.
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#82. To: no gnu taxes (#77)
Refer to the USDOJ White Paper
--GW Bush
#83. To: war (#82)
The 4th Amendment forbids "unreasonable searches and seizures" by the government. But until 1967, a search was generally limited to the police entering a home.
#84. To: no gnu taxes (#83)
--GW Bush
#85. To: go65, buckeroo (#81)
This wasn't war as is classically know in a battlefield situation. It was government sponsored MURDER with top US government officials holding their breath that they had the right data.
#86. To: go65 (#62)
What really eats them up is the fact that the mission succeeded. They, deep in their hearts wish that Bin Laden slipped away among the wreckage of dead SEALs and downed choppers because it would have damaged Obama beyond repair. That, IMHO, is utterly disgusting.
#87. To: lucysmom (#86)
It is disgusting and more than a little frightening how far some are willing to go to see one man destroyed.
#88. To: no gnu taxes (#87)
I am glad you finally are feeling regret about how you leftards treated President Bush.
#89. To: no gnu taxes (#87)
"...leftards..."
#90. To: lucysmom (#88)
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I questioned Bush's judgment
#91. To: no gnu taxes (#90)
Does that mead you questioned Obama's judgement as he has continued Bush's course on just about everything.
#92. To: lucysmom (#91)
I'll let you know when the smoke clears and the last chapter of his presidency has bee written.
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