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Title: Hmmm, Do I “Want to Believe?”
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URL Source: http://constitutionclub.org/2011/05/04/hmmm-do-i-want-to-believe/
Published: May 5, 2011
Author: Regalo Di Spine
Post Date: 2011-05-05 02:01:58 by socalv8
Keywords: ulsterman, osama, obama
Views: 112322
Comments: 162
I have to admit, I read the some of the early Ulsterman articles. Have you? I should clarify though, I’ve always thought his articles only represented a clever fiction. The unknown author, the unidentified DC insider, the high level of information covering a broad spectrum partisan politics that cannot be confirmed, all of it screams fantasy. However, I have to wonder if it is possible that a political fiction, presented in Ulsterman’s Deep Throat style of outing interesting insider information, could end up proving prescient. Ulsterman’s May 3rd post on the inside workings of the operation to kill or capture OBL, prior to and following the execution of the mission, paints a picture of a President with little ability to make a decision on his own. It also attempts to paint key administration officials at Intelligence, State, and Defense (Panetta, Clinton, and Gates) as the actual movers and shakers in the mission to take out OBL. Like I said, I normally chalk up Ulsterman’s writings as simple fantasy but, even if the entire story came to him in a dream on May 2nd, it is crafted in such a way that it almost seems to be tracking right along side the news cycle rather than following it. In the three days following a significant benchmark in this country’s war against terrorism, the story about how it occurred, from planning to implementation, and even what is going to happen next, seems to be passing through a sieve as it’s being presented to public for consumption. A source here, a source there, speaking on the condition of anonymity, is sharing interesting information. Then, even clearly identified sources add their sound bites sending the press to push out the newest piece of the puzzle as soon as possible. But before the news cycle has ended, much of this information has been filtered out leaving fresh tidbits to replace unwelcomed narrative. As I mentioned in a previous post, this type of handling of the message breeds theories that there are alternatives to the official story. But, if you look at it in the context of Ulsterman’s article, the sifting of the official story almost seem to add credence to some of the elements of his report. Leon Panetta tells us the photo of a dead OBL is coming, the White House says, “No way.” John Brennan, Deputy National Security Advisor (read – an administration czar), tells the press that OBL was armed, that there was a firefight, and OBL shielded himself behind a woman. Then unidentified sources at the Pentagon claim BS on that, stating OBL was unarmed – this is followed by the White House issuing a more “textured account” of events on the ground, including a statement that OBL was unarmed. Plus, we’ve heard from the President that his decision making was extra decisive after taking nine months to confirm the intelligence about OBL’s location. Yet, at least one press outlet has published a report that suggests that the President wasn’t as decisive has he let on, still needing a little extra time to think on things before taking action. Without having read Ulsterman’s report, I would take all of the above to indicate several things; chief among them, there is no single point within the White House directing the narrative. This suggests that either central leadership within the administration is weak or the role of leader is up for grabs. I have to admit, I read the some of the early Ulsterman articles. Have you? I should clarify though, I’ve always thought his articles only represented a clever fiction. The unknown author, the unidentified DC insider, the high level of information covering a broad spectrum partisan politics that cannot be confirmed, all of it screams fantasy. However, I have to wonder if it is possible that a political fiction, presented in Ulsterman’s Deep Throat style of outing interesting insider information, could end up proving prescient. Ulsterman’s May 3rd post on the inside workings of the operation to kill or capture OBL, prior to and following the execution of the mission, paints a picture of a President with little ability to make a decision on his own. It also attempts to paint key administration officials at Intelligence, State, and Defense (Panetta, Clinton, and Gates) as the actual movers and shakers in the mission to take out OBL. Like I said, I normally chalk up Ulsterman’s writings as simple fantasy but, even if the entire story came to him in a dream on May 2nd, it is crafted in such a way that it almost seems to be tracking right along side the news cycle rather than following it. In the three days following a significant benchmark in this country’s war against terrorism, the story about how it occurred, from planning to implementation, and even what is going to happen next, seems to be passing through a sieve as it’s being presented to public for consumption. A source here, a source there, speaking on the condition of anonymity, is sharing interesting information. Then, even clearly identified sources add their sound bites sending the press to push out the newest piece of the puzzle as soon as possible. But before the news cycle has ended, much of this information has been filtered out leaving fresh tidbits to replace unwelcomed narrative. As I mentioned in a previous post, this type of handling of the message breeds theories that there are alternatives to the official story. But, if you look at it in the context of Ulsterman’s article, the sifting of the official story almost seem to add credence to some of the elements of his report. Leon Panetta tells us the photo of a dead OBL is coming, the White House says, “No way.” John Brennan, Deputy National Security Advisor (read – an administration czar), tells the press that OBL was armed, that there was a firefight, and OBL shielded himself behind a woman. Then unidentified sources at the Pentagon claim BS on that, stating OBL was unarmed – this is followed by the White House issuing a more “textured account” of events on the ground, including a statement that OBL was unarmed. Plus, we’ve heard from the President that his decision making was extra decisive after taking nine months to confirm the intelligence about OBL’s location. Yet, at least one press outlet has published a report that suggests that the President wasn’t as decisive has he let on, still needing a little extra time to think on things before taking action. Without having read Ulsterman’s report, I would take all of the above to indicate several things; chief among them, there is no single point within the White House directing the narrative. This suggests that either central leadership within the administration is weak or the role of leader is up for grabs. Even if Ulsterman’s report is no more than some blogger’s effort at drawing conclusions from the facts at hand, this administration is doing a fine job outing itself as an organization fraught with internal conflicts. If things keep going this way, it won’t take an unidentified insider to prove it to us.
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#109. To: Ferret Mike (#108)
Dude...don't get sucked into Mammy's Vortex...it's lethal...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Senator Obama did not want McCain's birth in Panama because of his father's service and need to be there in the military get in the way of his wishes to try to win the White House and become president. Let me ask you one question, don't wonder away onto any other issue, please. If it had turned out that McCains 'father' was a 'British' subject, but his mother was American, do you believe that McCain, by Congresses resolution, would he be eligible for POTUS?
Of course he would.
"We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates." — George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Oct. 4, 2001
Indeed, it is irrational at best to create a house of cards that Congress was conspiring to get McCain when Obama was the main supporter of the effort to make sure where McCain was born didn't become an issue. I would say one person's tornado is another's dust devil in the Walmart parking lot. Just making a humorful observation. There is no fuel here for a fire regarding this issue.
Yes. Because if his father had been a citizen of England and was serving the U.S. Military as was the point of the resolution, that fact would of trumped any issue regarding his citizenship. And I know all about this issue having served in the military with comrades in arms who weren't U.S. citizens.
Second the motion. CASE CLOSED! NEXT!
And you have documented proof of this? Show it!
So, in a roundabout way are you saying Obama's father served in the US military and in that manner his son skirts the citizenship clause?
war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.
They're going to be arguing this until they're dead. The whole country can collapse but this is the burning issue of our time.
"We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates." — George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Oct. 4, 2001
Mike, out of the goodness of his white, guilt ridden heart, is giving obumgler a free pass...his color you know, it's the burden he carries for us all...lol
Mammy, what is it with you and the race thing?
It's not me darlin, mike keeps bring up how everyone is racist if they question obama about anything. I just want him to show documentation for his defense of this man, or, STFU! &;-)
Well! Can you at least tell us which branch he served, and what year/war, he served during?
Do you understand the meaning of the word "if"?
"We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates." — George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Oct. 4, 2001
Google the oath everyone takes upon entering the Armed Forces of the United States yourself. You raise your right hand, you are uncle Sam's property, not subject to the authority of the British Crown. Nice try, but you didn't think this through well at all.
You raise your right hand, you are uncle Sam's property, not subject to the authority of the British Crown. Nice try, but you didn't think this through well at all. I thought as much, all mouth! He never served anywhere, and you can't cash the check your ass wrote!
Your question concerned McCain's high ranking Naval officer father. Your posed hypocritical question involved a "what if." If his Dad had been from England - and remember, he wasn't, this is a "what if' question. You do know what hypothetical means - I would hope; he would of sworn to uphold the U.S. Constitution and accept the president of the United States as his commander in chief. Which would make the resolution granting McCain has native born statue whether his father was English or American Native born in origin.
Ah, but McCain's father did serve in the Navy and rose to Flag officer rank. You are wrong.
And yet Clinton rejected the Abrams, Gary Bauer, William J. Bennett, Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Steve Forbes, Francis Fukuyama, Scooter Libby, Dan Quayle, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz plan for an Iraq invasion and world domination - go figure. I guess that means you realize he is nothing but a self serving politician. Good strategy for a Dim, but hypocrisy for the GOP, right? No need to convince me that Obama is not the messiah, I never believed he was.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
If his Dad had been from England - and remember, he wasn't, this is a "what if' question. You do know what hypothetical means - I would hope; he would of sworn to uphold the U.S. Constitution and accept the president of the United States as his commander in chief. Which would make the resolution granting Mccain has native born statue whether his father was English or American Native born in origin. You talk too much, you claimed Obama served in the US military, and this qualified him as a US citizen. When did Obama Sr. serve? Where did Obama Sr. serve? If you can back up this piece of BS, then we'll get back to McCain, but my moneys says you ain't got a leg to stand on.
Oh! btw, I already knew about his fathers military career history numb nuts, try to stay focused. We are talking about Obama's eligibility if one of his parents are NOT US citizens. His father was NOT a US citizen, he never served in the US military, ANYWHERE! Prove me wrong.
Why would I say President Obama was in the U.S. Armed forces and he wasn't? I responded to your hypothetical, and you can't keep the 'what if' in it separated from reality, whom I an talking about and in reference to what straight in your head. Perhaps instead of it being me who is talking too much, perhaps it is you who are not able to process enough factors at the same time, and so it just seems like I 'talk too much.' Thanks for sharing my dear. Work on it and when you get a flash of insight as to how everything we spoke of goes together, you will be in better shape to try to understand what you are trying to talk about, and what I actually said.
All you further prove here is you have no idea what you are talking about. Thanks for sharing, I am most amused.
So tell me, why did the forger reverse the type out of the background, and did he/she do it before or after adding the layers with the type?
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
If "one of his parents are not US citizens", they are not plural.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
I know exactly what I'm talking about, don't you worry one bit about me, it's you who can't back up your BS. Congress, in their Resolution 511, say that Obama Sr. is not a US citizen, you say he is, below is what they say, word for word, although the intire resolutio is very long, you Will Not find a 'singular parent' mentioned, they talk about 'parents', both parents, plural, being US citizens. But this may be way over your head. Both of McCains parents were American Citizens Barack Obama's father was a British subject, born in Kenya, Africa December 23, 2008 Senate Proves Obama Is Ineligible …in Resolution 511 Senate Proves Obama Is Ineligible No where in this resolution do they have parent as singular (one parent) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ definition : The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of [parentS] who are citizenS . http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0088_0162_ZO.html Congress tried to settle McCains Natural Born status by passing a resolution…. In doing so they, have proven Obama is ineligible to be POTUS. High lighted about 15 times parentS or citizenS [plural] (both parentS must be citizenS of the U.S.) Obama Sr. was not. When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. Barack Obama Sr. was born in 1936 in Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya You're snide remarks don't show how smart or cute you are Mike, just how low you'll go to keep from proving your end of a debate.
I believe he doubled the debt in his eight years. Cheney said deficits don't matter.
We can just borrow from old people and then not pay them back.
The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher
Prove what? All you need is one of the parents to be a U.S. citizen for the child to have U.S. citizenship. And the fact of the President's Dad being from a Commonwealth nation means nothing. When Hong Kong's lease expired, there were thousands of panicking Chinese who were denied entry into Great Britain to live as they were not English subjects. Many of these Commonwealth Chinese people from Hong Hong settled in Vancouver, B.C. You have not show the President is not a U.S. citizen by current standards at all. So get your facts straight.
As obama planned or The Panetta/Clinton/Military Junta planned?
Signed, The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers !
You sure about that? Neither parent has to be a U.S. citizen for the child to be a U.S. citizen if born in the U.S. If only one parent is a U.S. citizen of a child born OUTSIDE the U.S., aren't there some residency requirements (X number of years in the U.S.) of that child before a certain age in order to be a U.S. citizen? The nationality law book is quite thick, and complicated. And we're still not talking "natural born".
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
You are correct. I was so annoyed that Murron was so behind the power curve on knowing that, I was not thinking myself, thanks fir the correction. I'm amazed Murron thinks I am trying to be snide. I was trying to be patient. She's female alright. We started out with a hypothetical about what it would mean if McCain's Dad were English and in the U.S. Army and then I get told it's not about that, it's this both parent requirement for citizenship thing. I have lost my sanity and the facts arguing with a woman. Especially when they are as befuddled as this one. I'll call it good in that I just lost the thread to the facts this time arguing with Murron. I care about the sanity thing more anyway. ;-D
Your "door kicker" lied, again.
He did now. Did he do this in a secret voice only you heard, or would you kindly like to be forthcoming enough to detail so that I know to what you refer? Thanks. Don't feel rushed now.
This thread could use a good dose of.... "I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_)
He made the only viable decision....the fact he required 16 hours to make that decision isn't surprising. He's not exactly decisive as we all know. It was a win for America in this fight. And a win for Owe-bama. No disputing it. That said, its not 'eating anyone up' the raid was sucessful. What is annoying is since Sunday night, the administration's looked disjointed due to the every changing story about what specifically happened during the raid. That kind of bungling is usually associated to the first six months of ANY new White House. We're in year three. Finally, I think Owe-bama made the right call on observing Muslim funeral rites, and then dumping the carcass of this homicidal maniac into the ocean. I look forward to Robert Ballard diving on the carcass in a couple of years.... (chuckle)
bin Laden's last Facebook Post: 'Brb! Someone's at the door!'
his last post was "i never should have bought an iPhone"
"Thats because your basically and idiot." Okay, thats mildly amusing.
bin Laden's last Facebook Post: 'Brb! Someone's at the door!'
Panetta vs. Jarrett pissing contest? Jarrett has bigger balls, but Panetta is winning. Bigger than all of them. If you're hearing from them now, they're not on charge.
The other half of that was: Having one parent who is a U.S. citizen does not automatically convey U.S. citizenship to the child, although a child born outside of the United States can be a U.S. citizen with only one U.S. citizen parent. Although posting on internet forums can bring you close to insanity, a reading of nationality law will certainly push you over the edge.
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
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--GW Bush
#110. To: Ferret Mike (#108)
The Senator Obama was a key supporter and co sponsor of the resolution by Congress certifying McCain as native born.
#111. To: Murron (#110)
If it had turned out that McCains 'father' was a 'British' subject, but his mother was American, do you believe that McCain, by Congresses resolution, would he be eligible for POTUS?
#112. To: war (#109)
Dude...don't get sucked into Mammy's Vortex...it's lethal..."
#113. To: Murron (#110)
(Edited)
"If it had turned out that McCains 'father' was a 'British' subject, but his mother was American, do you believe that McCain, by Congresses resolution, would he be eligible for POTUS? "
#114. To: Skip Intro, Murron (#111)
Of course he would.
#115. To: Ferret Mike (#113)
Yes. Because if his father had been a citizen of England and was serving the U.S. Military as was the point of the resolution, that fact would of trumped any issue regarding his citizenship.
#116. To: Ferret Mike (#113)
#117. To: buckeroo (#114)
Second the motion. CASE CLOSED! NEXT!
#118. To: Rudgear (#116)
So, in a roundabout way are you saying Obama's father served in the US military and in that manner his son skirts the citizenship clause?
#119. To: Murron (#118)
...is giving obumgler a free pass...his color you know,...
#120. To: Fred Mertz (#119)
#121. To: Ferret Mike (#113)
Because if his father had been a citizen of England and was serving the U.S. Military
#122. To: Murron (#121)
Because if his father had been a citizen of England and was serving the U.S. Military
#123. To: Murron (#115)
"And you have documented proof of this? Show it!"
#124. To: Ferret Mike (#123)
Google the oath everyone takes upon entering the Armed Forces of the United States yourself.
#125. To: Murron (#121)
(Edited)
"Well! Can you at least tell us which branch he served, and what year/war, he served during?"
#126. To: Murron (#124)
"I thought as much, all mouth! He never served anywhere, and you can't cash the check your ass wrote!"
#127. To: no gnu taxes (#101)
The Democrat warnings go back to 1998. Explain how GOVERNOR Bush intimidated them. The obvious answer is they saw the same intelligence warnings Bush saw and didn't want to miss out on the limelight.
#128. To: Ferret Mike (#125)
Your question concerned McCain's high ranking Naval officer father. Your posed hypocritical question involved a "what if."
#129. To: Ferret Mike (#126)
(Edited)
Ah, but McCain's father did serve in the Navy and rose to Flag officer rank. You are wrong.
#130. To: Murron (#128)
#131. To: Murron (#129)
"Oh! btw, I already knew about his fathers military career history numb nuts, try to stay focused. We are talking about Obama's eligibility if both his parents are NOT US citizens. His father was NOT a US citizen, he never served in the US military, ANYWHERE! Prove me wrong."
#132. To: Murron (#99)
I downloaded it from his website and transfered to my adobe and saw it for the miserable fraud it was.
#133. To: Murron (#129)
...if one of his parents are NOT US citizens...
#134. To: Ferret Mike (#131)
All you further prove here is you have no idea what you are talking about. Thanks for sharing, I am most amused.
#135. To: no gnu taxes, lucysmom (#93)
He made the decision to abandon a balanced budget for tax cuts.
#136. To: NewsJunky (#135)
Cheney said deficits don't matter.
#137. To: Murron (#134)
"You're snide remarks don't show how smart or cute you are Mike, just how low you'll go to keep from proving your end of a debate."
#138. To: buckeroo (#18)
What it all means is that OBL wasn't captured as planned.
#139. To: BorisY (#17)
Were the SEAL’s able to recover Bin Laden’s signed copy of Audacity Of Hope?
#140. To: Ferret Mike (#137)
All you need is one of the parents to be a U.S. citizen for the child to have U.S. citizenship.
#141. To: Wood_Chopper (#140)
(Edited)
"Neither parent has to be a U.S. citizen for the child to be a U.S. citizen if born in the U.S."
#142. To: Ferret Mike (#141)
#143. To: socalv8 (#142)
#144. To: All (#143)
#145. To: go65 (#62)
Barack Obama put his entire presidency on the line last weekend when he ordered the commando assault of Bin Laden's compound. He could have taken the easy way out and ordered a bombing, but instead he chose the most difficult option because he correctly calculated that we needed proof that we had actually gotten Bin Laden.
#146. To: Badeye (#145)
bin Laden's last Facebook Post: 'Brb! Someone's at the door!'
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#147. To: go65 (#146)
#148. To: socalv8 (#11)
All of these folks were watching the same vids, but come out only hours later with very different POV's...
#149. To: Ferret Mike (#141)
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