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Title: Hmmm, Do I “Want to Believe?”
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constitutionclub.org
URL Source: http://constitutionclub.org/2011/05/04/hmmm-do-i-want-to-believe/
Published: May 5, 2011
Author: Regalo Di Spine
Post Date: 2011-05-05 02:01:58 by socalv8
Keywords: ulsterman, osama, obama
Views: 112000
Comments: 162
I have to admit, I read the some of the early Ulsterman articles. Have you? I should clarify though, I’ve always thought his articles only represented a clever fiction. The unknown author, the unidentified DC insider, the high level of information covering a broad spectrum partisan politics that cannot be confirmed, all of it screams fantasy. However, I have to wonder if it is possible that a political fiction, presented in Ulsterman’s Deep Throat style of outing interesting insider information, could end up proving prescient. Ulsterman’s May 3rd post on the inside workings of the operation to kill or capture OBL, prior to and following the execution of the mission, paints a picture of a President with little ability to make a decision on his own. It also attempts to paint key administration officials at Intelligence, State, and Defense (Panetta, Clinton, and Gates) as the actual movers and shakers in the mission to take out OBL. Like I said, I normally chalk up Ulsterman’s writings as simple fantasy but, even if the entire story came to him in a dream on May 2nd, it is crafted in such a way that it almost seems to be tracking right along side the news cycle rather than following it. In the three days following a significant benchmark in this country’s war against terrorism, the story about how it occurred, from planning to implementation, and even what is going to happen next, seems to be passing through a sieve as it’s being presented to public for consumption. A source here, a source there, speaking on the condition of anonymity, is sharing interesting information. Then, even clearly identified sources add their sound bites sending the press to push out the newest piece of the puzzle as soon as possible. But before the news cycle has ended, much of this information has been filtered out leaving fresh tidbits to replace unwelcomed narrative. As I mentioned in a previous post, this type of handling of the message breeds theories that there are alternatives to the official story. But, if you look at it in the context of Ulsterman’s article, the sifting of the official story almost seem to add credence to some of the elements of his report. Leon Panetta tells us the photo of a dead OBL is coming, the White House says, “No way.” John Brennan, Deputy National Security Advisor (read – an administration czar), tells the press that OBL was armed, that there was a firefight, and OBL shielded himself behind a woman. Then unidentified sources at the Pentagon claim BS on that, stating OBL was unarmed – this is followed by the White House issuing a more “textured account” of events on the ground, including a statement that OBL was unarmed. Plus, we’ve heard from the President that his decision making was extra decisive after taking nine months to confirm the intelligence about OBL’s location. Yet, at least one press outlet has published a report that suggests that the President wasn’t as decisive has he let on, still needing a little extra time to think on things before taking action. Without having read Ulsterman’s report, I would take all of the above to indicate several things; chief among them, there is no single point within the White House directing the narrative. This suggests that either central leadership within the administration is weak or the role of leader is up for grabs. I have to admit, I read the some of the early Ulsterman articles. Have you? I should clarify though, I’ve always thought his articles only represented a clever fiction. The unknown author, the unidentified DC insider, the high level of information covering a broad spectrum partisan politics that cannot be confirmed, all of it screams fantasy. However, I have to wonder if it is possible that a political fiction, presented in Ulsterman’s Deep Throat style of outing interesting insider information, could end up proving prescient. Ulsterman’s May 3rd post on the inside workings of the operation to kill or capture OBL, prior to and following the execution of the mission, paints a picture of a President with little ability to make a decision on his own. It also attempts to paint key administration officials at Intelligence, State, and Defense (Panetta, Clinton, and Gates) as the actual movers and shakers in the mission to take out OBL. Like I said, I normally chalk up Ulsterman’s writings as simple fantasy but, even if the entire story came to him in a dream on May 2nd, it is crafted in such a way that it almost seems to be tracking right along side the news cycle rather than following it. In the three days following a significant benchmark in this country’s war against terrorism, the story about how it occurred, from planning to implementation, and even what is going to happen next, seems to be passing through a sieve as it’s being presented to public for consumption. A source here, a source there, speaking on the condition of anonymity, is sharing interesting information. Then, even clearly identified sources add their sound bites sending the press to push out the newest piece of the puzzle as soon as possible. But before the news cycle has ended, much of this information has been filtered out leaving fresh tidbits to replace unwelcomed narrative. As I mentioned in a previous post, this type of handling of the message breeds theories that there are alternatives to the official story. But, if you look at it in the context of Ulsterman’s article, the sifting of the official story almost seem to add credence to some of the elements of his report. Leon Panetta tells us the photo of a dead OBL is coming, the White House says, “No way.” John Brennan, Deputy National Security Advisor (read – an administration czar), tells the press that OBL was armed, that there was a firefight, and OBL shielded himself behind a woman. Then unidentified sources at the Pentagon claim BS on that, stating OBL was unarmed – this is followed by the White House issuing a more “textured account” of events on the ground, including a statement that OBL was unarmed. Plus, we’ve heard from the President that his decision making was extra decisive after taking nine months to confirm the intelligence about OBL’s location. Yet, at least one press outlet has published a report that suggests that the President wasn’t as decisive has he let on, still needing a little extra time to think on things before taking action. Without having read Ulsterman’s report, I would take all of the above to indicate several things; chief among them, there is no single point within the White House directing the narrative. This suggests that either central leadership within the administration is weak or the role of leader is up for grabs. Even if Ulsterman’s report is no more than some blogger’s effort at drawing conclusions from the facts at hand, this administration is doing a fine job outing itself as an organization fraught with internal conflicts. If things keep going this way, it won’t take an unidentified insider to prove it to us.
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#1. To: All (#0)
Repeated a few paragraphs, apologies.
Yes, an element of the so called right wing in America would rather believe made up fiction rather than accept reality.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Do you believe the video cut out right at the big moment?
Link to Ulsterman on LF.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Simple question you passed at #3 shows your interest in truth.
All of these folks were watching the same vids, but come out only hours later with very different POV's... " Who precisely made the claim that 'Osama' had a weapon and shot at US forces and that he used a woman as a human shield? What situation could a US soldier have found himself in where he thought he was under direct fire from a person in a room when he was in fact not? What possible scenario could have played out where a person was perceived to have used a 'human shield' when that person did no such thing?"
Let's see - Afghanistan / Washington D.C. / thousands of miles / if what you are thinking - a video feed from helmet cams existed streaming live - then yea it would and could cut out. I lose connection to wireless when I move from room to room sometimes. I read that what the DC room was watching was the external area and saw troops enter building but could not see inside building. Either explanation is plausible. I am not a tim foil hat kook and you don't have to be one either. Embrace Occam's Razo and reality will become clearer to you.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Can we see THAT vid? No.
Why should you see the workings of top secret Seal Team 6? Who the hell are you to see it?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Panetta vs. Jarrett pissing contest? Jarrett has bigger balls, but Panetta is winning.
A funder. I thought you hippies loved the FOIA?
Probably he was trying to warn him !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
Maybe he was bug-eyed and scared in that SITROOM pic because his colb was in that compound ! "Cut the helmet cam! Cut the helmet cam!"
I hate to step on your toes but that was a SECURECONNECTION using SATCOM. Your tax dollars (BILLIONS) provide the highest definition and reliability that modern technology can provide. There was no outage. It is considered classified data and any of this incident was prematurely publicized by 0bama. Now, all you see is backtracking. The question you should consider is WHY. It is because the entire operation was incorrectly handled. There are many ramifications about this operation GERONIMO that shall impact our own lives stateside as well as around th world.
How so? And yes, the "cut video" ploy is silly.
To: Justaham Were the SEAL’s able to recover Bin Laden’s signed copy of Audacity Of Hope? 11 posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 05:35:19 by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !) audassity !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
As you know, the OBL research team (out of the US Pentagon, a staff of about 15 personnel and about 100 field agents) was disbanded about 2008. Since then, there has been a renewed push by the 0bama administration to find him. But, there was never supposed to be a murder. It was supposed to be a kidnapping with the possibility of collecting detailed information about the entire past and current operations. The Pakistani AirForce caused an unexpected mishap as the entire venture was clandestine and took longer than was expected. They flew over the compound with two fully armed jet aircraft. And the mission was aborted thereafter for the safe return of the ground or field CIA personnel involved. This involved quick bungling the operation to ensure a valid claim was made. What it all means is that OBL wasn't captured as planned. And since the US government authorized the mission impacting international agreements, it has lead to the idea that the USA operates outside of established treaties and as a result has compromised its own reliability and agreements with established friendly nations. On the homefront, we have documented PROOF about how ruthless the US government is, with respect to using military force even if there is some likelihood that the person or persons are not involved with the mission. It is Waco, Tx, circa 1993 via Bill Clinton all over again. The US government does not act within the confines of law or any authority other than being a pile of jackbooted thugs.
I think osamma had quite a following among the gay crowd ! he had that come hither I love you look didn't he !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
Go on over to LP and ask yukon. Let us know what he says. Nah, just kidding. I don't give a damn about what he says.
"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - George W. Bush
Source?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." It must be terribly frustrating to have access to the internet and still remain as stupid as you do!
Moi.
So that's simply your conjecture? The Reuters account of what the locals observed differs with your scenario. They all stated that no Pakistani forces appeared untill after the raid.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." I would imagine that it's no more frustrating than it is for you to have access to basic hygiene and still be a one toothed skank.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Mammy, the grammatically correct way to state this is to say "and still remain as stupid as you are" You're welcome.
"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - George W. Bush
I have difficulty with the analysis in the above, bucky. I don't believe that there is a nation on earth that was surprised that, when found, we killed bin Laden. And of those nations, I'd be surprised if very many of them cared. Nor, frankly, do I believe that the US cares what the other nations ***think*** in this matter. We were going to announce that he got him. Why would we care about "covering up" anything at the point of ops? I find that you have some interesting opinions and I do enjoy reading them. I find this one to be a little outside the Realm of Reality...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." That too...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Still 'protecting' war from his obvious deficiencies, dummy? You do know that by avoiding the accusation, you both are lending substance to the accusation.
war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.
You know what your problem is, Rudy? You suffer from "Da Boofers". That's an affliction and affectation in which the afflicted has ongoing delusions that the internet really "matters". Mammy has that same afflication. If she wasn't currently in a video courtship with Boofer, I'd try to hook you two up...meanwhile...your test pattern is going to have to do...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." No, Rudy, I'm helping Mammy to become a more effective communicator. Would you like me to try and work you into my schedule too?
"We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates." — George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Oct. 4, 2001
Mammy, the grammatically correct way to state this is to say "and still remain as stupid as you are" Either is correct, Professor Grammar. It must be terribly frustrating to have access to the internet and still remain as stupid as you do! There is an implied remain after the do. Thus think as in this sentence: It must be terribly frustrating to have access to the internet and still remain as stupid as you do remain!
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Stick to being an engineer, Choo Choo Charlie; her use of "as you do" was idiomatic and remains so despite your inane attempt at intervention. But I can understand the reason why you'd want to change the subject here...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." That's horribly written. A tenth grade English teacher would have hit you with a ruler for writing that.
"We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates." — George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Oct. 4, 2001
That would have been fine on the Afghanistan battlefield wherein OBL had his notorious AK-47 with a 60 rnd ammo magazine as he has been pictured from time to time. But this isn't the case of an early morning military assault/raid into a private residence under the idea that OBL was there. I agree it was probable as the US military/intelligence seek definitive precision and accuracy about information. But, there is the possibility that all they found was the local late night pizza hut driver that delivers in the AM.
Wart follows the DNC list of approved sites, to accomplish that.
I recall a re-run of MASH I saw where this uber right winger named Colonel Flagg... See? Just mince from one childish accusation to another. You can't defend you statements and try to stall by asking others to do your homework for you. When you can't get away with that, you just change the subject. Tell me, bug. Do you get nervous in the bug spray aisle at your local supermarket?
war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.
Hilarity of that image aside, I have no doubt that they got bin Laden. And it would have been 4 drivers, no?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." Either is correct.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
Hey! Spelling Nazi! Let he who is without sin . . .
war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.
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#2. To: socalv8 (#1)
Hmmm, Do I “Want to Believe?”
#3. To: Godwinson (#2)
#4. To: Godwinson (#2)
the so called right wing
#5. To: socalv8 (#4)
#6. To: Godwinson (#5)
Ulsterman is too crazy
You don't believe the WH/CIA either, it sees to me. You're just cheerleading.
#7. To: socalv8 (#3)
Do you believe the video cut out right at the big moment?
#8. To: socalv8 (#6)
#9. To: Godwinson (#8)
I read that what the DC room was watching was the external area and saw troops enter building but could not see inside building.
Come on, they're full of shit and you know it.
#10. To: socalv8 (#9)
Can we see THAT vid? No.
#11. To: mcgowanjm (#7)
All of these folks were watching the same vids, but come out only hours later with very different POV's...
#12. To: Godwinson (#10)
Who the hell are you to see it?
#13. To: socalv8 (#0)
wasn’t as decisive has he let on, still needing a little extra time to think on things before taking action.
#14. To: BorisY (#13)
#15. To: Godwinson, socalv8 (#8)
Let's see - Afghanistan / Washington D.C. / thousands of miles / if what you are thinking - a video feed from helmet cams existed streaming live - then yea it would and could cut out. I lose connection to wireless when I move from room to room sometimes.
#16. To: buckeroo (#15)
There are many ramifications about this operation GERONIMO that shall impact our own lives stateside as well as around th world.
#17. To: socalv8 (#14)
#18. To: socalv8 (#16)
How so?
#19. To: buckeroo (#18)
(Edited)
#20. To: BorisY (#19)
I think osamma had quite a following among the gay crowd !
#21. To: buckeroo (#18)
--GW Bush
#22. To: war, buckeroo (#21)
"Source"?
#23. To: war (#21)
Source?
#24. To: buckeroo (#23)
--GW Bush
#25. To: Murron (#22)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
#26. To: Murron (#22)
It must be terribly frustrating to have access to the internet and still remain as stupid as you do!
#27. To: buckeroo (#18)
(Edited)
What it all means is that OBL wasn't captured as planned. And since the US government authorized the mission impacting international agreements, it has lead to the idea that the USA operates outside of established treaties and as a result has compromised its own reliability and agreements with established friendly nations.
--GW Bush
#28. To: Skip Intro (#26)
--GW Bush
#29. To: Skip Intro (#26)
#30. To: Rudgear (#29)
(Edited)
Still 'protecting' war from his obvious deficiencies, dummy? You do know that by avoiding the accusation, you both are lending substance to the accusation.
--GW Bush
#31. To: Rudgear (#29)
Still 'protecting' war from his obvious deficiencies, dummy?
#32. To: Skip Intro (#26)
It must be terribly frustrating to have access to the internet and still remain as stupid as you do!
#33. To: no gnu taxes (#32)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
#34. To: no gnu taxes (#32)
It must be terribly frustrating to have access to the internet and still remain as stupid as you do remain!
#35. To: war (#27)
I don't believe that there is a nation on earth that was surprised that, when found, we killed bin Laden.
#36. To: Murron (#22)
It must be terribly frustrating to have access to the internet and still remain as stupid as you do!
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
Godwinson posted on 2011-02-23 11:47:32 ET
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=18011&Disp=46#C46
#37. To: war (#30)
#38. To: buckeroo (#35)
(Edited)
But, there is the possibility that all they found was the local late night pizza hut driver that delivers in the AM.
--GW Bush
#39. To: war (#33)
#40. To: war (#38)
I have no dount that they got bin Laden.
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