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Title: Obama's Birth Certificate: Not the Issue
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Published: Apr 29, 2011
Author: Tony Cartalucci
Post Date: 2011-04-29 11:08:51 by Hondo68
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Keywords: John McCain exact same, corporate-financier agenda, the brand of propaganda used
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Bangkok, Thailand April 29, 2011 - Of course, a candidate must meet legal requirements before running for public office. This is a universally agreed upon concept which has been enumerated in laws in every nation, since the beginning of human civilization. However, for those who deeply examine the United States and how it has drifted from a constitutional republic to the corporate-financier oligarchy it is today, they might realize the futility of arguing over "President" Obama's qualifications for an office that has long been ceremonial, if not entirely theatrical. The corporate-financier agenda transcends presidencies. From Reagan to Obama, US foreign and domestic policy has moved in a continuously linear direction toward increasing corporate-financial monopolies and eroding the role and sovereignty of the US Constitution and the people who are supposed to execute it. In 1991, "Neo-Conservative" war monger Paul Wolfowitz stated that the Middle East would be turned upside down and reordered in America's favor - ironically, this operation which has been piecemeal planned and executed year-by-year since then, is finally unfolding in its entirety under the supposedly "liberal" Obama administration.
Like it or not, your real government consists of unelected
bankers and corporate special interests. The argument
that Obama' birth certificate makes-or-breaks his legitimacy
pales in comparison to the realization that the entire office of the
president has been usurped for at least 2 decades.
Likewise, the seemingly "liberal" free-trade agreements pushed by Clinton, were expanded into the beginnings of the supernational Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America under the supposedly "conservative" Bush administration. Of course, the blueprints for the SPP or the geopolitical reordering of the Middle East weren't drawn up by presidential administrations nor committees amongst America's elected representatives, but rather by unelected corporate-funded think-tanks like the Council on Foreign Relations or the Brookings Institute. These think-tanks represent the collective interests of the largest corporations and financial institutions on earth and are the real, often obscure architects of both American and European foreign and domestic policy.
The only difference one can delineate then, is the brand of propaganda used during each supposedly ideologically differentiated political administration to sell this unipolar, unilateral, continuous agenda to the public as it creeps forward. But even upon examining each presidential administration, we are struck with names and affiliations of members who directly represent these corporate interests. To illustrate how entirely ineffectual and meaningless "Obama" is as a president, let's examine some key members of his administration and what their affiliations are.
Timothy Geithner (Secretary of the Treasury): Group of 30, Council on Foreign Relations, private Federal Reserve
Eric Holder (Attorney General): Covington & Burling lobbying for Merck and representing Chiquita International Brands in lawsuits brought by relatives of people killed by Colombian terrorists.
Eric Shinseki (Secretary of Veteran Affairs): US Army, Council on Foreign Relations, Honeywell director (military contractor), Ducommun director (military contractor).
Rahm Emanuel (former Chief of Staff): Freddie Mac
William Daley (Chief of Staff): JP Morgan executive committee member
Susan Rice (UN Ambassador): McKinsey and Company, Brookings Institute, Council on Foreign Relations
Peter Orszag, (former Budget Director): Citi Group, Council on Foreign Relations
Paul Volcker: Council on Foreign Relations, private Federal Reserve, Group of 30
Ronald Kirk (US Trade Representative): lobbyist, part of Goldman Sachs, Kohlberg, Kravis, Roberts, and Texas Pacific Group partnership to buyout Energy Future Holdings.
Lawrence Summers (National Economic Council Director): World Bank, Council on Foreign Relations
Who amongst Obama's administration can we honestly presume has the people's, or even America's best interests at heart? Goldman Sachs bankers? JP Morgan bankers? Corporate lobbyists? Indeed, these are the same banking, corporate, and political interests that guided the agenda under Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., Regan and so on. While there is some debate over which US president was in fact the last "real" president who exercised an agenda it genuinely could claim ownership over, there is no doubt that over the last two decades the same corporate interests have been entirely steering America's people and their destiny with but the veneer of "democracy."
Had John McCain won the elections in 2008, you could rest assured he would have taken US policy in the exact same direction Obama is going today. In fact, McCain is one of the key players who has helped fund and organize the current unrest sweeping the Middle East, along with a myriad of other "Republicans" and "Neo-Conservatives." The "Arab Spring" itself was planned and being staged before Obama even took office.
Ideologically, President Obama's qualifications are important and many are right to question them. Realistically, they are a red herring, as is his entire presidency. He is in charge of exactly nothing, most likely not even the tie he puts on in the morning and surely not the words that come out of his mouth. His entire function is to perpetuate the facade that America is still run by an elected government and not an illegitimate oligarchy of corporations and financial institutions. Arguing over his birth certificate engenders him with legitimacy in and of itself - suggesting that if he had proper qualifications he would be a "legitimate" president. But he, like his predecessor Bush, are both entirely illegitimate, as is the system they purportedly preside over.
Recognizing this grave reality, and instead concentrating on the corporate-financier interests that have hijacked American politics is essential to restoring a true constitutional republic. For it is not whose hands we think hold the power, it is in whose hands that really hold the power that shapes US policy. Definitively, US policy does not favor the people, definitively the power is not in the people's hands. As long as we grasp to the illusion that through the futile exercise of elections we are somehow "in control," it will remain this way perpetually. The fact that our president is in charge of absolutely nothing and that his duties have long been shifted to an unelected corporate-financier oligarchy is the issue, not his dubious qualifications.
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However, for those who deeply examine the United States and how it has drifted from a constitutional republic to the corporate-financier oligarchy it is today, they might realize the futility of arguing over "President" Obama's qualifications for an office that has long been ceremonial, if not entirely theatrical. This needs to be shouted from the rooftops. The problem is the very people whose job it is to shout it from the rooftops in this electronic age are owned by the same international bankers that own the corporations that own the politicians. The corporate-financier agenda transcends presidencies. From Reagan to Obama, US foreign and domestic policy has moved in a continuously linear direction toward increasing corporate-financial monopolies and eroding the role and sovereignty of the US Constitution and the people who are supposed to execute it. Which is exactly why I have been calling President Homie "Bush 4.0" ever since he took office. That weasel bastard Poppy Bush and his cronies started subverting Reagan the day he took office. Reagan was forced to take Poppy as his VP because the RNC threatened to withold support for his run for the WH if he didn't accept Poppy. Had John McCain won the elections in 2008, you could rest assured he would have taken US policy in the exact same direction Obama is going today. And being more experienced with more and better contacts,he would have probably been more successful. Ideologically, President Obama's qualifications are important and many are right to question them. Realistically, they are a red herring, as is his entire presidency. He is in charge of exactly nothing, most likely not even the tie he puts on in the morning and surely not the words that come out of his mouth.His entire function is to perpetuate the facade that America is still run by an elected government and not an illegitimate oligarchy of corporations and financial institutions. BINGO! The fact that our president is in charge of absolutely nothing and that his duties have long been shifted to an unelected corporate-financier oligarchy is the issue, not his dubious qualifications. The author of this piece has summed it up about as well as I have ever seen,but he doesn't take it far enough because he doesn't even mention the politically powerful supporting cast that makes all this possible. US Senators and Congresscritters that are owned outright by the international bankers. The voters could all get together and elect a 21st Century Thomas Jefferson at this point and he would be powerless to change things because he would have both the DNC AND the RNC working against him,as well as the US Senate and the US Congress. The ONLY way to change things is start at the local level and work your way up. Get a solid conservative pro-American base from the local to the state and federal level so a new president has the political support he needs to pass new laws,throw out old laws,eliminate bureaucracies,and change foreign policies.
I haven't seen you this excited in years about an article; and it is a good article, too. But, your idea won't work. The large population centers all around the USA control the electoral college and that voting block is typically based on poor folks that enjoy handouts from Uncle Scam. The messes America is involved with, both foreign and domestic, are unrepairable with a constituentcy that has torn the nation from the bottom to the top; it can not be fixed and that is why you see no one advancing REAL change back towards a small government on any level, anywhere. The incremental suicide that America has perpetrated upon itself from about 1897 (the Spanish American War) has placed us into hopelessness with one singular method .... so far, no one wants to pull the ripcord.
advancing REAL change back towards a small government The beer is still cold. When the power goes out and they're forced to drink those four-oohs warm, you'll see REAL change.
Exactly my point. I used to share Pete's well-articulated perspective about addressing local government concerns FIRST and then moving on to county, state and federal governance. It is in the forefront of the Libertarian Party's methods towards a desired outcome to diminish large government and return the power base back to the local level. And for years, there has only been some good results but way below my expectations. The American People don't give a shit other than a free handout while enjoying a cold one during their daily couch potatoe activities. Taken with the current "average" American's considerations for REAL change, the demographics as well as anyone can vote it is nearly impossible to change this nation. Keep in mind that what made America GREAT was not a large electoral constituency during the first one hundred years of America. It was a small one; wherein those that voted normally owned land and added value back to the communities where they worked; that same value created the greatest nation on the Earth. But, today, we have mostly everyone that can vote: from illegals to welfare recipients to federal/state/local retirees that collect HUGE amounts of earnings based on government handouts while doing little other than complaining they want more. It is a hopeless America, anymore. And there can be no change to impede the current dynamics other than ONE: REVOLUTION.
You may well be right,but my position is and will remain that there are only two options. 1: Work within the political system to enact changes. 2: Pick up your rifle and go into politics. Once option 2 is picked there is no going back. Many people will die and many more will suffer greatly. I will always resist option 2 as long as I have the option to resist it. Once people start coming after me with rifles is when I will pick mine up,and if I am ever forced to do that I will show no mercy. Which means that I will stick with option 1 as long as it remains an option. Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me. Up until that time I am going to stick with the voting with a ballot process.
Lets forget about option 2 and move on with your option 1 idea: Working within a failed political system? Your vote is worthless anymore. There is no political party that you can rely on or cling to for renewed capabilities for any reformation of government. The largest reason is that there are no voter qualifications to be found, anywhere. You have no idea about the educational level, the ability to read/write much less understand the issues presented in America's voting constituents that have effected the so-called "progress" in America. You are in effect, wasting your time. Proof is in the pudding, too. No one can repair the systems that the People have voted for. And starting out at the local level means to me that voter qualifications are in order. However, that can't occur because of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT STRICT ADHERENCE TO FAIR ELECTIONS. But, what is a "FAIR ELECTION" anyway? Where the People are continuously trashed by absurd policies&procedures that were voted in by folks that can barely sign their names on a voter registration card? Why does an illegal alien get to subtract my vote for real change? In fact, why are there MILLIONS of illegal aliens in America? But, the illegals are just one issue out of thousands of which are trashing America and American values. There are no REAL voter qualifications other than being a biped; without real voter qualifications it is impossible to have a true representative government of the citizenry.
Sounds like you are ready to move to the voting with bullets level. I'm not there yet,and won't go there until and unless I am backed into a corner with no other options. Once you kill somebody you can't unkill them. They are dead forever. In the meantime I will continue to try working within the system to convince people to take a political stand and hold the politicians heels to the fire. If I am successful,GREAT! If I'm not successful,I'm not out a thing. As long as you remain at option 1 you have choices. You can make adjustments to your strategy and hope to be successful. If worse comes to worse you can always go to option 2. The biggest problem with going to option 2 is that once you go there there is no going back to option 1 until the revolution is over. If I ever do go that far,I may be the most reluctant revolutionary in history.
In the meantime I will continue to try working within the system to convince people to take a political stand and hold the politicians heels to the fire. If I am successful,GREAT! If I'm not successful,I'm not out a thing. In my post #7, re: your post#6, I intentionally ignored your option #2. Let us take a peek at it for another moment, before it is lost in the Internet cloud: You are too late. Even option #2 may have expired. Now, turn your eyes back to BIG_BROTHER on TV and keep your mouth shut.
LOL! Ok,if you say so. BTW,if I am mistaken and by "too late" you mean the fascists have already won and it is too late to fight.",my response is it is NEVER too late to fight. Winning is nice,but not essential. What is essential is that your cause be just and you no other options than to fight.
Back to your post on #6: As a preface to this post directed towards you, I have always enjoyed your posts even if I don't post much in agreement or otherwise; I think our largest disagreements has been with respect to the IRA as you take an entirely contrary position as myself. But, I want to comment on this above naive statement by yourself as it is deceptive what I know to be of and about your good character and provides a sense of ignorance about yourself that I don't think has ever been revealed before since 1998 until now on several forums. To begin with, the days of making an official proclamation by any organized government body are over with the singular exception about personalities in the official government arena called "elected government." It is nothing more than a charlatan show of sometimes new bright, pretty smiles all the way to the bank for personal wealth and power and if nothing else the personal lavish of all the "perks" that society offers to these high&mighty officials. It makes the masses "feel" a change has occurred because of their exercise of punching a chad at the ballot box. You know there is no "officiating" change of policy&procedure, too. It is a creeping or gradual change towards only one goal: the usurpation of individual rights, liberties and freedoms and you know this is true because of the HUGE growth of government on all levels; in fact, where have you sen ANY level of government relinquish control over its POWER about individuals in America? It isn't a rhetorical question as it aimed towards the nexus of and about your own statement that I have re-quoted in this post. As a clear example: where is a formal declaration of war for Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam and as far back as Korea and literally hundreds of other skirmishes, police actions, hostiles actions, humanitarian efforts and yada yada yada that America is created around the world? There are none PERIOD other than some weak funding by either omission or commission of Congress. But for the People of America, there hasn't been any officiating or formal declaration of War by Congress since WW2. And, herein is why I think your own statement is either oblivious to what is going on around you or that maybe you just didn't make yourself clear. Let me repeat your incredibly over-simplified statement for your own reference: Pete, tell me you said a silly statement without thinking. Just tell me that it was foolish and retract it as you are leading piles of People into harm's way by having them believe there is ever going to be some formalized statement by government that performs those declaration(s) and you know it, too.
I disagree with your premise. You are comparing apples and oranges. The government will issue a proclamation they are going to a cashless society in response to public calls for them to "Do something! Do ANYTING,but make us safe!". Which falls right into line with their plans. And there is nothing unique about this. Several years ago they announced no more checks for Social Security and VA disability checks. It would all be done through electronic banking. I understand they are even doing this now with welfare,food stamps,and other welfare payments. Besides,it would be impossible for them to go to a cashless society without making public announcements. Citizens and non-citizens will have to register for a unique credit and debit number,for one thing. Can't use SS numbers for this because that would be illegal. Banks,credit unions,phone companies,electric companies,etc,etc,etc would have to set up a whole new billing and collection system,and I am sure there are other complications I haven't even considered that would have to be dealt with. Not to mention the inevitable grace period allowing people to turn in their cash for credits and pay income tax on the previously hidden cash with no penalties or interest. The fact that it would be impossible to cheat the government out of taxes in a cash free society convinces it WILL happen. There is no way the gubbermint is going to continue to bypass a sure fire method of extracting their pound of flesh from the taxpayers that don't have the wealth or connections needed to avoid having to pay taxes.
Again, as I have said up the thread, I have never seen you so excited and here you are disagreeing with me based on your lack of substance. Let's further examine your attempt at rebuttals, shall we? Now, you are just using common jargon to suggest I am confused by your own statements of waiting for a formal declaration by government authorities to remove certain individual rights and dignities. You have little by using colliquial jargon, too. Pete, pete, pete please dispense with the nonsense; you are driving me into riveting belly laffter normally reserved for clowns that don't have a clue to the world around us. With the US Social Security Act, the SSN was never to be used for personal information purposes. Yet, look around us from tax filing, to credit cards to bank loans to property loans and a personal checking account, your SSN is required for EVERYTHING in business transactions. The limits of cash payments for business are decreasing from the DHS requirements to report any transactions of $10,000 and above, too. In fact, there was a recent 1099 requirement by the 0bama Medical Plan to report ALL transactions to the IRS above 600 bucks (although temporarily rescinded), the US government has continuously searched for ways and methods to speed rapid tracability of cash transactions. You can't get a REAL job in America without a SSN. You can't get paid without a SSN; you can't legitimitely own a car without a SSN. You are tracked EVERYWHERE to include your private property tax rolls based on a SSN. Of course, that assumes you are working within the system. And most Americans work within the system. And for business transactions ALL government and private and often personal transactions are electronic in nature. I don't even receive a paycheck anymore; I receive a paper receipt that the funds were electronically transferred to my bank account wherein I dole out the funds further towards all payments by electronic transactions; I rarely use a post stamp or a paper check anymore and this is true for most Americans living in the modern world. The system is easy to track and easy to to discover errors but it is all designed without the end consumer in mind. In fact, electronic fund transfers are for easy government intrusion and a method to obscure or cloud the rate of inflation, a true tax upon the American People because of the failure of modern government. It is ease of disbursement, allows easy tracking and minimises costs. I hear that food stamps are now via a debit card issued by the USDA. No paper at all. That has already happened, pal. It is YOUR SSN. Your SSN tags you uniquely as I have already explained. Not many people carry large piles of cash these days. The keys are in their personal accounts based on their unique and verifiable SSN. It has ALREADY happened as I explained; it isn't going to happen; it HAS HAPPENED. A few bucks for traveling expenses and pocket change is incidental to the whole point and minimizes the impact of how the system works today. You have lost this discussion, Pete. Please retract your comment about some formal method of announcement by government taking your rights, liberties and freedoms.
Oh,BullBush! You were throwing everything into the mix,including the kitchen sink. Most of it irrelevant. With the US Social Security Act, the SSN was never to be used for personal information purposes. Other than the exemption for personal identification to the SS Administration,you are correct. Yet, look around us from tax filing, to credit cards to bank loans to property loans and a personal checking account, your SSN is required for EVERYTHING in business transactions. No,it's not. Yes,all those organizations ASK you for your SS number,but you do NOT have to provide it. If you ask for it you will be given a unique number (blanking out the formal name of it right at this minute) to identify your accounts that is not your SS number. Granted,"damn at the difference!" applies here because no matter how many of these account numbers that banks and other institutions give you,they will all end up linked back to your SS at the federal level. The limits of cash payments for business are decreasing from the DHS requirements to report any transactions of $10,000 and above, too. Can you say "Thank you,alleged War on Drugs!"? BTW,was this or was this not announced publicly? In fact, there was a recent 1099 requirement by the 0bama Medical Plan to report ALL transactions to the IRS above 600 bucks (although temporarily rescinded), the US government has continuously searched for ways and methods to speed rapid tracability of cash transactions Which just proves my point. They will eventually take the ultimate step of eliminating cash altogether,thereby totally eliminating tax cheating. The state will ALWAYS be able to get their pound of flesh AS WELL AS MONITOR YOUR EVERY MOVEMENT WHILE HAVING THE ABILITY TO SHUT YOU DOWN INSTANTLY IF THEY WISH once this plan is in effect. Want to organize a protest in DC? Won't happen because the government will have the instant ability to make you and everyone connected to you digitally disappear. Which means you won't even be able to buy a cup of coffee or a gallon of gas to go to DC because all of your money disappeared at the same time you did. ALL you will be able to do is call a toll free number to tell the police where to come to pick you up. you can't legitimitely own a car without a SSN. Not true. You are confusing theory and fact. Of course, that assumes you are working within the system. In a cashless society,EVERYBODY will be working within the system because it will be impossible to do otherwise. BUT......,what does ANY of this have to do with what I was discussing? Other than the sentence immediately above this,that is? Hell,as much ranting and raving as you are doing about SS and SS numbers,they have nothing to do with what I was talking about. The new digital system they will come up with for debit and credit accounts will replace SS numbers,and be MUCH more oppressive. For example,you won't even be able to buy a few gallons of paint at the local building supply to paint your house without presenting a permit from the city or county showing you have bought a permit from the local tax and building departments stating the work you are doing and who has been hired to do it. If you are doing it yourself you will have to state you are doing it yourself. If you are having someone else do it,you will have to submit his business ID number or personal credit number that your debit account will be transferring the credits to in order to pay him. That way your local authorities get their taxes for the home improvements,and the state and feral government will get their cut in taxes. And don't think you will be able to get away with claiming you are going to do this work yourself and then have someone else do it cheaper for cash under the table. There will be no cash. Only debits and credits. And most Americans work within the system. ALL Americans will work within the new system. They won't have any choice because the new system will have total control over all money. You either go through the system,or you don't get paid. Period. I receive a paper receipt that the funds were electronically transferred to my bank account I do,too. wherein I dole out the funds further towards all payments by electronic transactions;I rarely use a post stamp or a paper check anymore and this is true for most Americans living in the modern world. I try to avoid doing this if at all possible. I used to do it regularly,but the more I thought about it the less I like the idea of putting The Borg in charge of everything. Plus,there are real humans out there that have jobs that rely on manning a counter and taking cash or check payments from customers. I now go to the business if possible to pay my bill by cash or check,and if I can't do that I mail them a check or money order. This is not always possible because some vendors insist on being paid using PayPal or some other electronic form of payment,and won't accept checks or even money orders. If I can,I use money orders instead of electronic transfers from my checking account for purchases like this. If I can't,I use PayPal and don't worry about it. Besides,it would be impossible for them to go to a cashless society without making public announcements. Citizens and non-citizens will have to register for a unique credit and debit number,for one thing. Can't use SS numbers for this because that would be illegal. That has already happened, pal. It is YOUR SSN. Wrong. If you think that is true,you really don't understand what I am talking about. Either that or you do understand,and are more interested in preaching than discussing. There is even a possibility you are working at minimizing the danger to individual freedoms the cashless society represents by trying to convince people it will be nothing more serious than what they are living under now. Your SSN tags you uniquely as I have already explained. And as *I* have already explained,that is bullshit. It is illegal for your SSN to be used to identify you for any purpose other than for Social Security purposes,and no bank or other financial institution has the right to demand you give them your SS number. As I wrote before,banks are even required to issue you a unique depositor number if you ask for it. Most people don't bother to ask because most people don't think it's a big deal. It has ALREADY happened as I explained; it isn't going to happen; it HAS HAPPENED. Ok,that settles it. You really are doing the work of a government disinformation agent here. "Go to sleep little sheeples,nothing to see here. Move on." You have lost this discussion, Pete. Please retract your comment about some formal method of announcement by government taking your rights, liberties and freedoms. Uhhhh,yeah. ROFLMAO!
Well, I just pulled out my original 1965 SS card that I signed for; it is still in mint condition, too. It reads: "FOR SOCIAL SECURITY AND FOR TAX PURPOSES - NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION" at the bottom of the paper card, sized for a standard pocket billfold to be carried everywhere. The SSN BS has evolved into ALL the major financial and credit markets, too, FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES. You can't get away from it unless you are living on the street begging for free change. Sorry about the delay in response, that card was placed in a box way up in the garage's rafters called "OLD_STUFF." You are addressing less than one percent of the issues, Pete. The US government along with all state governments and agencies have YOU pwned already. Sorry about letting the cat out of the bag on this fine day.
The SSN BS has evolved into ALL the major financial and credit markets, too, FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES. Yes,but only because people have meekly surrendered their SS numbers to anyone that asked. The law hasn't changed,but there is nothing in the law that FORBIDS YOU FROM GIVING IT UP. The law only forbids others from demanding you give it up. A couple of decades ago the state of Virginia was putting SSN's right on your drivers license or other state-issued ID. Somebody took them to court and they dropped that system and went to unique drivers license numbers. You can't get away from it unless you are living on the street begging for free change. Sure you can. All you have to do is ask your bank for a depositor ID/taxpayer ID. Of course if you already have an account at that bank and have already given them your SSN it's a lot like locking the barn after the horse has disappeared. Sorry about the delay in response, that card was placed in a box way up in the garage's rafters called "OLD_STUFF." No problem with the delay. You are the one confused about using SSN as ID,not me. I have known that for years. You seem to think I am arguing with you about this for some reason. You are addressing less than one percent of the issues, Pete. I am addressing 100% of the issue that YOU brought up. How much more do you want? The US government along with all state governments and agencies have YOU pwned already. Sorry about letting the cat out of the bag on this fine day. Turning into quite a little drama queen,aren't you? I have never had a day since I was 17 years old that the US government hasn't had a file on me. I had a top secret clearance while in the army and was involved with covert operations on an active level,and still have a Secret clearance from working as a consultant to the Army within the last 10 years. My name is always going to be on a list,and it doesn't worry me in the slightest. I refuse to give up my SSN to anyone because of the danger of identity theft.
#62. To: sneakypete (#61)
You didn't read my #60 post in your own honour..... I think you should take on a new monicker such as "JumpingJackFlash" since you can't reflect on what has happened in America.
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#2. To: sneakypete, hondo68 (#1)
The ONLY way to change things is start at the local level and work your way up. Get a solid conservative pro-American base from the local to the state and federal level so a new president has the political support he needs to pass new laws,throw out old laws,eliminate bureaucracies,and change foreign policies.
#4. To: buckeroo (#2)
The large population centers all around the USA control the electoral college and that voting block is typically based on poor folks that enjoy handouts from Uncle Scam
#5. To: hondo68, sneakypete (#4)
The beer is still cold. When the power goes out and they're forced to drink those four-oohs warm, you'll see REAL change.
#6. To: buckeroo, hondo68 (#5)
It is a hopeless America, anymore. And there can be no change to impede the current dynamics other than ONE: REVOLUTION.
#7. To: sneakypete, hondo68 (#6)
1: Work within the political system to enact changes.
I will stick with option 1 as long as it remains an option. Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me. Up until that time I am going to stick with the voting with a ballot process.
#16. To: buckeroo (#7)
(Edited)
Working within a failed political system? Your vote is worthless anymore. There is no political party that you can rely on or cling to for renewed capabilities for any reformation of government. The largest reason is that there are no voter qualifications to be found, anywhere.
#34. To: sneakypete, hondo68 (#16)
I'm not there yet,and won't go there until and unless I am backed into a corner with no other options. Once you kill somebody you can't unkill them. They are dead forever.
2: Pick up your rifle and go into politics.
Once option 2 is picked there is no going back. Many people will die and many more will suffer greatly. I will always resist option 2 as long as I have the option to resist it. Once people start coming after me with rifles is when I will pick mine up,and if I am ever forced to do that I will show no mercy.
Which means that I will stick with option 1 as long as it remains an option. Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me. Up until that time I am going to stick with the voting with a ballot process.
#35. To: buckeroo (#34)
You are too late. Even option #2 may have expired.
#37. To: sneakypete, hondo68 (#35)
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Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me.
Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me.
#38. To: buckeroo (#37)
Pete, tell me you said a silly statement without thinking. Just tell me that it was foolish and retract it as you are leading piles of People into harm's way by having them believe there is ever going to be some formalized statement by government that performs those declaration(s) and you know it, too.
#56. To: sneakypete (#38)
buckeroo, pleading for Pete to have some dignity: Pete, tell me you said a silly statement without thinking. Just tell me that it was foolish and retract it as you are leading piles of People into harm's way by having them believe there is ever going to be some formalized statement by government that performs those declaration(s) and you know it, too.
I disagree with your premise. You are comparing apples and oranges.
The government will issue a proclamation they are going to a cashless society in response to public calls for them to "Do something! Do ANYTING,but make us safe!". Which falls right into line with their plans.
And there is nothing unique about this. Several years ago they announced no more checks for Social Security and VA disability checks. It would all be done through electronic banking.
I understand they are even doing this now with welfare,food stamps,and other welfare payments.
Besides,it would be impossible for them to go to a cashless society without making public announcements. Citizens and non-citizens will have to register for a unique credit and debit number,for one thing. Can't use SS numbers for this because that would be illegal.
Banks,credit unions,phone companies,electric companies,etc,etc,etc would have to set up a whole new billing and collection system,and I am sure there are other complications I haven't even considered that would have to be dealt with.
Not to mention the inevitable grace period allowing people to turn in their cash for credits and pay income tax on the previously hidden cash with no penalties or interest.
The fact that it would be impossible to cheat the government out of taxes in a cash free society convinces it WILL happen. There is no way the gubbermint is going to continue to bypass a sure fire method of extracting their pound of flesh from the taxpayers that don't have the wealth or connections needed to avoid having to pay taxes.
#58. To: buckeroo (#56)
Now, you are just using common jargon to suggest I am confused by your own statements of waiting for a formal declaration by government authorities to remove certain individual rights and dignities. You have little by using colliquial jargon, too.
#59. To: sneakypete (#58)
Ok,that settles it. You really are doing the work of a government disinformation agent here.
#61. To: buckeroo (#59)
Replies to Comment # 61. The law hasn't changed
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