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Title: Obama's Birth Certificate: Not the Issue
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URL Source: http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2 ... rth-certificate-not-issue.html
Published: Apr 29, 2011
Author: Tony Cartalucci
Post Date: 2011-04-29 11:08:51 by Hondo68
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Keywords: John McCain exact same, corporate-financier agenda, the brand of propaganda used
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Bangkok, Thailand April 29, 2011 - Of course, a candidate must meet legal requirements before running for public office. This is a universally agreed upon concept which has been enumerated in laws in every nation, since the beginning of human civilization. However, for those who deeply examine the United States and how it has drifted from a constitutional republic to the corporate-financier oligarchy it is today, they might realize the futility of arguing over "President" Obama's qualifications for an office that has long been ceremonial, if not entirely theatrical. The corporate-financier agenda transcends presidencies. From Reagan to Obama, US foreign and domestic policy has moved in a continuously linear direction toward increasing corporate-financial monopolies and eroding the role and sovereignty of the US Constitution and the people who are supposed to execute it. In 1991, "Neo-Conservative" war monger Paul Wolfowitz stated that the Middle East would be turned upside down and reordered in America's favor - ironically, this operation which has been piecemeal planned and executed year-by-year since then, is finally unfolding in its entirety under the supposedly "liberal" Obama administration.
Like it or not, your real government consists of unelected
bankers and corporate special interests. The argument
that Obama' birth certificate makes-or-breaks his legitimacy
pales in comparison to the realization that the entire office of the
president has been usurped for at least 2 decades.
Likewise, the seemingly "liberal" free-trade agreements pushed by Clinton, were expanded into the beginnings of the supernational Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America under the supposedly "conservative" Bush administration. Of course, the blueprints for the SPP or the geopolitical reordering of the Middle East weren't drawn up by presidential administrations nor committees amongst America's elected representatives, but rather by unelected corporate-funded think-tanks like the Council on Foreign Relations or the Brookings Institute. These think-tanks represent the collective interests of the largest corporations and financial institutions on earth and are the real, often obscure architects of both American and European foreign and domestic policy.
The only difference one can delineate then, is the brand of propaganda used during each supposedly ideologically differentiated political administration to sell this unipolar, unilateral, continuous agenda to the public as it creeps forward. But even upon examining each presidential administration, we are struck with names and affiliations of members who directly represent these corporate interests. To illustrate how entirely ineffectual and meaningless "Obama" is as a president, let's examine some key members of his administration and what their affiliations are.
Timothy Geithner (Secretary of the Treasury): Group of 30, Council on Foreign Relations, private Federal Reserve
Eric Holder (Attorney General): Covington & Burling lobbying for Merck and representing Chiquita International Brands in lawsuits brought by relatives of people killed by Colombian terrorists.
Eric Shinseki (Secretary of Veteran Affairs): US Army, Council on Foreign Relations, Honeywell director (military contractor), Ducommun director (military contractor).
Rahm Emanuel (former Chief of Staff): Freddie Mac
William Daley (Chief of Staff): JP Morgan executive committee member
Susan Rice (UN Ambassador): McKinsey and Company, Brookings Institute, Council on Foreign Relations
Peter Orszag, (former Budget Director): Citi Group, Council on Foreign Relations
Paul Volcker: Council on Foreign Relations, private Federal Reserve, Group of 30
Ronald Kirk (US Trade Representative): lobbyist, part of Goldman Sachs, Kohlberg, Kravis, Roberts, and Texas Pacific Group partnership to buyout Energy Future Holdings.
Lawrence Summers (National Economic Council Director): World Bank, Council on Foreign Relations
Who amongst Obama's administration can we honestly presume has the people's, or even America's best interests at heart? Goldman Sachs bankers? JP Morgan bankers? Corporate lobbyists? Indeed, these are the same banking, corporate, and political interests that guided the agenda under Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., Regan and so on. While there is some debate over which US president was in fact the last "real" president who exercised an agenda it genuinely could claim ownership over, there is no doubt that over the last two decades the same corporate interests have been entirely steering America's people and their destiny with but the veneer of "democracy."
Had John McCain won the elections in 2008, you could rest assured he would have taken US policy in the exact same direction Obama is going today. In fact, McCain is one of the key players who has helped fund and organize the current unrest sweeping the Middle East, along with a myriad of other "Republicans" and "Neo-Conservatives." The "Arab Spring" itself was planned and being staged before Obama even took office.
Ideologically, President Obama's qualifications are important and many are right to question them. Realistically, they are a red herring, as is his entire presidency. He is in charge of exactly nothing, most likely not even the tie he puts on in the morning and surely not the words that come out of his mouth. His entire function is to perpetuate the facade that America is still run by an elected government and not an illegitimate oligarchy of corporations and financial institutions. Arguing over his birth certificate engenders him with legitimacy in and of itself - suggesting that if he had proper qualifications he would be a "legitimate" president. But he, like his predecessor Bush, are both entirely illegitimate, as is the system they purportedly preside over.
Recognizing this grave reality, and instead concentrating on the corporate-financier interests that have hijacked American politics is essential to restoring a true constitutional republic. For it is not whose hands we think hold the power, it is in whose hands that really hold the power that shapes US policy. Definitively, US policy does not favor the people, definitively the power is not in the people's hands. As long as we grasp to the illusion that through the futile exercise of elections we are somehow "in control," it will remain this way perpetually. The fact that our president is in charge of absolutely nothing and that his duties have long been shifted to an unelected corporate-financier oligarchy is the issue, not his dubious qualifications.
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#16. To: buckeroo (#7)
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Sounds like you are ready to move to the voting with bullets level. I'm not there yet,and won't go there until and unless I am backed into a corner with no other options. Once you kill somebody you can't unkill them. They are dead forever. In the meantime I will continue to try working within the system to convince people to take a political stand and hold the politicians heels to the fire. If I am successful,GREAT! If I'm not successful,I'm not out a thing. As long as you remain at option 1 you have choices. You can make adjustments to your strategy and hope to be successful. If worse comes to worse you can always go to option 2. The biggest problem with going to option 2 is that once you go there there is no going back to option 1 until the revolution is over. If I ever do go that far,I may be the most reluctant revolutionary in history.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
A BIG AMEN to that! And if it happens it will start to happen at the grass roots level with people like us. WE have to teach OUR children to have pride for accomplishments achieved,not just being born. We also need to teach them right from wrong and a sense of shame for doing wrong. Then we need to instill in them a sense of duty that includes passing these traits on to others. We have to do it at the grass roots level by taking over local school boards so OUR side has some influence on what is taught and how it is taught. THIS is how the left took over this country. They started at the local elementary and high school level by infiltrating the teachers colleges and the school boards. If we start doing this instead of home schooling,we can make a difference. That's just the beginning,but if you/we/they don't start at this basic level nothing will ever be accomplished at a higher level.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Seriously? No. BTW,people like you are a perfect example of why we need to take over the school boards and the teachers colleges. I have no doubt you have a college degree,and you went to school all those years and never even learned how to reason. Rich foreigners won't be able to vote because they aren't citizens. I am NOT slamming you,I am just pointing out that this is so basic and so obvious nobody that grew up in this country and was educated beyond the 5th grade should even consider asking questions like that. YOU even know better yourself. You just couldn't be bothered to think about it because all the noise of your political dogma barking drowned out the voice of reason.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
If they do that. Then I'm going to buy some land and sell one square foot lots.
I disagree. I am 100% convinced that what is happening is happening by design in order to have society crash to the point where a state of anarchy exists so that Steve and Sarah Sheeple start screaming for the government to "Do something! Do ANYTHNG,BUT MAKE US SAFE!" The end result of this will be a call to disarm the populace to and go to a cash free society in order to reduce crime. Face it,most crime is based on cash,and the crime that is for jealousy or revenge usually involves weapons of one type or another. Just going to a cash-free society alone will probably eliminate 90% of the crime. And when they do this the people will stand up and applaud them unless they are educated to what is going on and open their eyes first. Yeah,a cash-free economy WILL eliminate maybe 90% of the crime and make people safer. There is no way to argue with that because it's true. The argument you CAN make is that giving up your freedoms and becoming serfs of the state is a poor tradeoff for your freedoms.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
If they do that. Then I'm going to buy some land and sell one square foot lots. Good luck with that. Most people don't even vote right now,and it's free.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Ever heard. Don't know what you got til it's gone?
Heard it????? I live it.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
What do you miss, if I may ask?
------------------------------------- Here listen to this.
omg, the hair!!! and the Pagey double-neck Gibson!!!! You don't know what you got, until you looooose it.
------------------------------------- I've never heard of this band, let alone the song, but I'm glad you included me, I liked it, very eerie, prophetic.
They actually have quite a few good songs. They were from the 80's.
So what's the point of granting land owners the right to vote when so much of the land is owned by foreigners and banks? I really have no idea what you think you will accomplish.
"Thats because your basically and idiot. I am not surprised a One World cretin like you doesn't understand why only citizens should be able to vote. I really have no idea what you think you will accomplish. Obviously being an American means nothing to you,unless it is shame.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I got my ballot in the mail today for the May election here. I like the Oregon system for vote by mail. It creates a great turn out and has great safe guards to insure the voter who is supposed to fill it out and sign it is the only one that does. I hope this format becomes more common in the future.
I'm sure it does. People can move and vote several times before election day. and has great safe guards to insure the voter who is supposed to fill it out and sign it is the only one that does. So what? What does it do to prevent illegal aliens,non-citizens,non-residents,dead people,imaginary people like Disney characters,and people from voting from multiple addresses? High voter turn out should never be the goal. LEGITIMATE voters should be the goal. I realize this would reap havoc on places like Chicago,Philly,Detroit,and other Dim enclaves,but it needs to be done.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
In the meantime I will continue to try working within the system to convince people to take a political stand and hold the politicians heels to the fire. If I am successful,GREAT! If I'm not successful,I'm not out a thing. In my post #7, re: your post#6, I intentionally ignored your option #2. Let us take a peek at it for another moment, before it is lost in the Internet cloud: You are too late. Even option #2 may have expired. Now, turn your eyes back to BIG_BROTHER on TV and keep your mouth shut.
LOL! Ok,if you say so. BTW,if I am mistaken and by "too late" you mean the fascists have already won and it is too late to fight.",my response is it is NEVER too late to fight. Winning is nice,but not essential. What is essential is that your cause be just and you no other options than to fight.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
"Resistance is futile" to use a borrowed term from Star Trek days (sequencing The_Borgs) but be my guest and try. A) Increasing business transactions ARE by electronic methods (cashless) these days and shall continue in this way into the future. B) Increasing federal/state/local codes/laws/insurance requirements/rules/regulations/restrictions ARE occurring to control or limit the possession/procurement/use of firearms and shall continue in this way into the future. It is the analogy of the lobster in the pot being roasted to death. Little by little, you can't feel the changes until the very end. And then, despite, all your screaming, it is too late.
Back to your post on #6: As a preface to this post directed towards you, I have always enjoyed your posts even if I don't post much in agreement or otherwise; I think our largest disagreements has been with respect to the IRA as you take an entirely contrary position as myself. But, I want to comment on this above naive statement by yourself as it is deceptive what I know to be of and about your good character and provides a sense of ignorance about yourself that I don't think has ever been revealed before since 1998 until now on several forums. To begin with, the days of making an official proclamation by any organized government body are over with the singular exception about personalities in the official government arena called "elected government." It is nothing more than a charlatan show of sometimes new bright, pretty smiles all the way to the bank for personal wealth and power and if nothing else the personal lavish of all the "perks" that society offers to these high&mighty officials. It makes the masses "feel" a change has occurred because of their exercise of punching a chad at the ballot box. You know there is no "officiating" change of policy&procedure, too. It is a creeping or gradual change towards only one goal: the usurpation of individual rights, liberties and freedoms and you know this is true because of the HUGE growth of government on all levels; in fact, where have you sen ANY level of government relinquish control over its POWER about individuals in America? It isn't a rhetorical question as it aimed towards the nexus of and about your own statement that I have re-quoted in this post. As a clear example: where is a formal declaration of war for Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam and as far back as Korea and literally hundreds of other skirmishes, police actions, hostiles actions, humanitarian efforts and yada yada yada that America is created around the world? There are none PERIOD other than some weak funding by either omission or commission of Congress. But for the People of America, there hasn't been any officiating or formal declaration of War by Congress since WW2. And, herein is why I think your own statement is either oblivious to what is going on around you or that maybe you just didn't make yourself clear. Let me repeat your incredibly over-simplified statement for your own reference: Pete, tell me you said a silly statement without thinking. Just tell me that it was foolish and retract it as you are leading piles of People into harm's way by having them believe there is ever going to be some formalized statement by government that performs those declaration(s) and you know it, too.
I disagree with your premise. You are comparing apples and oranges. The government will issue a proclamation they are going to a cashless society in response to public calls for them to "Do something! Do ANYTING,but make us safe!". Which falls right into line with their plans. And there is nothing unique about this. Several years ago they announced no more checks for Social Security and VA disability checks. It would all be done through electronic banking. I understand they are even doing this now with welfare,food stamps,and other welfare payments. Besides,it would be impossible for them to go to a cashless society without making public announcements. Citizens and non-citizens will have to register for a unique credit and debit number,for one thing. Can't use SS numbers for this because that would be illegal. Banks,credit unions,phone companies,electric companies,etc,etc,etc would have to set up a whole new billing and collection system,and I am sure there are other complications I haven't even considered that would have to be dealt with. Not to mention the inevitable grace period allowing people to turn in their cash for credits and pay income tax on the previously hidden cash with no penalties or interest. The fact that it would be impossible to cheat the government out of taxes in a cash free society convinces it WILL happen. There is no way the gubbermint is going to continue to bypass a sure fire method of extracting their pound of flesh from the taxpayers that don't have the wealth or connections needed to avoid having to pay taxes.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Who is John Galt?
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
I hope this format becomes more common in the future. Response? All I can think of is the old woman, smoking a pipe, laughing, at the river crossing ferry in the movie "Outlaw Jose Wales".
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
A literary character who, in a spectacular feat of technology, hijacked the airwaves and then proceeded to give the most boring speech ever recorded in modern history... Oh...he also fucked Dagney Taggert after she was raped by Hank Reardon...
America...My Kind Of Place...
Taggert, ya moron.
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
Typo...thanks...
America...My Kind Of Place...
OK. Now, I await to point out your next speling mistake.
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
Who is Winston Smith?
Ask O'Brien...he was the last one to see him...
America...My Kind Of Place...
Chuckles...isn't that Padlock's job?
America...My Kind Of Place...
Huh? What?
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
I'm not padlock. I'm also not Fred. Nor war.
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
Isn't everyone who's not Yukon everyone else?
America...My Kind Of Place...
That's pretty much impossible to argue against.
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
Excellent reply.
(war)A literary character have you looked about you?
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
I always check my sixes...why?
America...My Kind Of Place...
No reason. Carry on.
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!
Again, as I have said up the thread, I have never seen you so excited and here you are disagreeing with me based on your lack of substance. Let's further examine your attempt at rebuttals, shall we? Now, you are just using common jargon to suggest I am confused by your own statements of waiting for a formal declaration by government authorities to remove certain individual rights and dignities. You have little by using colliquial jargon, too. Pete, pete, pete please dispense with the nonsense; you are driving me into riveting belly laffter normally reserved for clowns that don't have a clue to the world around us. With the US Social Security Act, the SSN was never to be used for personal information purposes. Yet, look around us from tax filing, to credit cards to bank loans to property loans and a personal checking account, your SSN is required for EVERYTHING in business transactions. The limits of cash payments for business are decreasing from the DHS requirements to report any transactions of $10,000 and above, too. In fact, there was a recent 1099 requirement by the 0bama Medical Plan to report ALL transactions to the IRS above 600 bucks (although temporarily rescinded), the US government has continuously searched for ways and methods to speed rapid tracability of cash transactions. You can't get a REAL job in America without a SSN. You can't get paid without a SSN; you can't legitimitely own a car without a SSN. You are tracked EVERYWHERE to include your private property tax rolls based on a SSN. Of course, that assumes you are working within the system. And most Americans work within the system. And for business transactions ALL government and private and often personal transactions are electronic in nature. I don't even receive a paycheck anymore; I receive a paper receipt that the funds were electronically transferred to my bank account wherein I dole out the funds further towards all payments by electronic transactions; I rarely use a post stamp or a paper check anymore and this is true for most Americans living in the modern world. The system is easy to track and easy to to discover errors but it is all designed without the end consumer in mind. In fact, electronic fund transfers are for easy government intrusion and a method to obscure or cloud the rate of inflation, a true tax upon the American People because of the failure of modern government. It is ease of disbursement, allows easy tracking and minimises costs. I hear that food stamps are now via a debit card issued by the USDA. No paper at all. That has already happened, pal. It is YOUR SSN. Your SSN tags you uniquely as I have already explained. Not many people carry large piles of cash these days. The keys are in their personal accounts based on their unique and verifiable SSN. It has ALREADY happened as I explained; it isn't going to happen; it HAS HAPPENED. A few bucks for traveling expenses and pocket change is incidental to the whole point and minimizes the impact of how the system works today. You have lost this discussion, Pete. Please retract your comment about some formal method of announcement by government taking your rights, liberties and freedoms.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestWorking within a failed political system? Your vote is worthless anymore. There is no political party that you can rely on or cling to for renewed capabilities for any reformation of government. The largest reason is that there are no voter qualifications to be found, anywhere.
#17. To: Rudgear (#8)
Which is why you go back to the founders vision. Jettison egalitarianism and permit only those with a vested interest in maintaining the Constitutional authority in this land, i.e. land and property owners, military and career professionals vote. No one else. Especially not welfare recipients.
#18. To: go65, buckeroo, all (#10)
So the foreigners who own tons of our real estate get to vote, while those who rent do not?
#19. To: sneakypete, Rudgear (#17)
property owners
#20. To: hondo68 (#15)
IMO they're never going to come out and announce either.
#21. To: A K A Stone (#19)
property owners
#22. To: sneakypete (#21)
#23. To: A K A Stone (#22)
Ever heard. Don't know what you got til it's gone?
#24. To: sneakypete (#23)
Heard it????? I live it.
#25. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#23)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#26. To: Biff Tannen, sneakypete, cz82, Murron (#25)
#27. To: A K A Stone (#26)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#28. To: A K A Stone (#26)
Don't know what you got till it's gone
#29. To: Murron (#28)
#30. To: sneakypete (#18)
Rich foreigners won't be able to vote because they aren't citizens.
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#31. To: go65 (#30)
So what's the point of granting land owners the right to vote when so much of the land is owned by foreigners and banks?
#32. To: sneakypete (#31)
#33. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
I got my ballot in the mail today for the May election here. I like the Oregon system for vote by mail. It creates a great turn out.....
#34. To: sneakypete, hondo68 (#16)
I'm not there yet,and won't go there until and unless I am backed into a corner with no other options. Once you kill somebody you can't unkill them. They are dead forever.
2: Pick up your rifle and go into politics.
Once option 2 is picked there is no going back. Many people will die and many more will suffer greatly. I will always resist option 2 as long as I have the option to resist it. Once people start coming after me with rifles is when I will pick mine up,and if I am ever forced to do that I will show no mercy.
Which means that I will stick with option 1 as long as it remains an option. Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me. Up until that time I am going to stick with the voting with a ballot process.
#35. To: buckeroo (#34)
You are too late. Even option #2 may have expired.
#36. To: sneakypete (#35)
BTW,if I am mistaken and by "too late" you mean the fascists have already won and it is too late to fight.
#37. To: sneakypete, hondo68 (#35)
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Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me.
Once the announcement is made that we are going to a "Cash-Free Society" or that the 2nd Amendment is being annulled,it's game on for me.
#38. To: buckeroo (#37)
Pete, tell me you said a silly statement without thinking. Just tell me that it was foolish and retract it as you are leading piles of People into harm's way by having them believe there is ever going to be some formalized statement by government that performs those declaration(s) and you know it, too.
#39. To: buckeroo, sneakypete (#36)
It is the analogy of the lobster in the pot being roasted to death. Little by little, you can't feel the changes until the very end. And then, despite, all your screaming, it is too late.
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
I got my ballot in the mail today for the May election here. I like the Oregon system for vote by mail. It creates a great turn out and has great safe guards to insure the voter who is supposed to fill it out and sign it is the only one that does.
#41. To: Wood_Chopper (#39)
(Edited)
#42. To: war (#41)
Dagney Taffert
#43. To: Wood_Chopper (#42)
#44. To: war (#43)
Typo...thanks...
#45. To: Wood_Chopper (#39)
Who is John Galt?
#46. To: buckeroo (#45)
#47. To: Wood_Chopper (#44)
#48. To: war, buckeroo (#46)
#49. To: war (#47)
Chuckles...isn't that Padlock's job?
#50. To: Wood_Chopper (#49)
#51. To: war (#50)
Isn't everyone who's not Yukon everyone else?
#52. To: war (#46)
#53. To: war (#41)
(W_C)Who is John Galt?
#54. To: Wood_Chopper (#53)
#55. To: war (#54)
I always check my sixes...why?
#56. To: sneakypete (#38)
buckeroo, pleading for Pete to have some dignity: Pete, tell me you said a silly statement without thinking. Just tell me that it was foolish and retract it as you are leading piles of People into harm's way by having them believe there is ever going to be some formalized statement by government that performs those declaration(s) and you know it, too.
I disagree with your premise. You are comparing apples and oranges.
The government will issue a proclamation they are going to a cashless society in response to public calls for them to "Do something! Do ANYTING,but make us safe!". Which falls right into line with their plans.
And there is nothing unique about this. Several years ago they announced no more checks for Social Security and VA disability checks. It would all be done through electronic banking.
I understand they are even doing this now with welfare,food stamps,and other welfare payments.
Besides,it would be impossible for them to go to a cashless society without making public announcements. Citizens and non-citizens will have to register for a unique credit and debit number,for one thing. Can't use SS numbers for this because that would be illegal.
Banks,credit unions,phone companies,electric companies,etc,etc,etc would have to set up a whole new billing and collection system,and I am sure there are other complications I haven't even considered that would have to be dealt with.
Not to mention the inevitable grace period allowing people to turn in their cash for credits and pay income tax on the previously hidden cash with no penalties or interest.
The fact that it would be impossible to cheat the government out of taxes in a cash free society convinces it WILL happen. There is no way the gubbermint is going to continue to bypass a sure fire method of extracting their pound of flesh from the taxpayers that don't have the wealth or connections needed to avoid having to pay taxes.
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