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Title: Obama's Birth Certificate Released - Proof it is Has Been Altered. Possible Fake?
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Published: Apr 27, 2011
Author: 3truthseeker33
Post Date: 2011-04-27 19:48:44 by A K A Stone
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#1. To: All (#0)
I wonder what Obama is going to do if the polls say most people think the birth certificate is faked.
OMG Stone, this is fantastic, thanks, I'm going to share this in a couple of places right now.
If you take any document and convert it to a PDF then look at it in Illustrator, it will have layers. Don't believe me? Try it yourself. Another totally bullshit non-issue.
Oh a poll at LP? With Sally, Packrat and the Magician counting the "votes?"
I don't have illustrator.
A scanned document would not have layers, you liar.
Of course it is. However, 0bama brought this on himself. This BC issue has followed him since he was an Illinois Senator. It should have been cleared up with all the publicity concerning it. 0bama knew he would be resented by a large segment of society for many reasons. He should have dispelled as many popular issues as quick as he could before those issues have caused his "leadership" to be tweaked by political speedbumps.
What does scanned have to do with it? The document everyone is looking at is a PDF file released by the White House. Try it yourself, moron. Make a document, any document. Type your grocery list. Use Adobe Acrobat and convert it to a PDF file. Open that file in Illustrator. Open the layers palette. Tell me what you see. Call me a liar again without any basis and you go on bozo, bozo.
Maybe, but I think it's pretty obvious that no matter what he releases the crazies will just up the ante. Wasn't World Nut Daily demanding he release his kindergarten records a while back? With all the legitimate things to go after this guy for, why these losers focus on this eludes me completely. It's almost like they want to lose the next election.
A scanned document, and that's what this fake purports to be, would not have layers. It would scan as a one dimensional graphic with no differentiation between background and text. Why would it have layers? A scanner or PDF program isn't intelligent. It can't distinguish between readable text and background. But someone deliberately constructing new text over another document would layer it, piece by piece. btw, screw you. Hide behind your filter, coward and liar that you are.
I agree. But, in many ways that is 0bama's fault. Trump has NOW just come out about a new issue: It is back to politics, as usual.
So why did they convert it to pdf, if a simple, non layered jpg or gif would do?
That isn't entirely true, Rudgear. In today's world most scanned images use a vectored approach (layers) towards graphics for electronic data distribution. And very often Adobe PDF Writer is used to perform that task. In fact, Adobe CAN extract text from an image, minimizing manual re-typing. I have the Professional version of Adobe and use it all the time.
No, you stupid sack of shit. It's a PDF file.
Then just try what I suggested. See for yourself. Hell, scan a file. Convert it to a PDF. Look at it in Illustrator. It WILL HAVE LAYERS. End of story.
What does it matter what format they released it in? Is there any format that you wouldn't question? If you're honest, you'll say "no".
Well said. I have no argument with your statements. I think a lot of folks just don't understand contemporary graphic art and associated software is all.
I didn't understand it myself when the layer issue was brought up, so I spent all of five minutes testing it. Like you, I have the pro version of Acrobat as well as Illustrator. It's funny that not one of these internet "experts" thought of doing the same thing.
Speaking of stupid sacks of shit, and cowardly ones at that, it supposedly began life as a paper document that at some point in its short existence was scanned into the White House web page. Why it was created as a PDF document is interesting and solely unnecessary. Unless it was created as a PDF document. Then the question becomes: why? I also know you and everyone else likes to ignore the raised seal absence, but when I applied for my drivers license and got into the military, I was specifically reminded to bring a raised seal birth certificate with me.
It isn't their fault from a true sense. Technology is moving so rapidly that it is hard for the average layman to keep up with much less experts in a given field. There is no argument about the authenticity of 0bama's birth as a US Citizen; there never really was one. Just like the Internet production of the COLB from some four years ago from Hawaii, it has been challenged. All we can do is sit back and enjoy the show.
Bollocks. Sorry, that was just me using my English spell check.
I wouldn't question a format of the actual, original document being examined by an impartial forensic document examiner. Anything else might as well come from Barnum & Bailey. Is there any format you would not accept as gospel? If you're honest, you'll say "no". I'd rather not say what I really want to say.
Fast, precise, accurate and effective methods of information distribution. Most everyone can find a free PDF reader these days.
It's almost as good as watching the Three Yukons. BTW, for anyone who is interested, here's a link on how birth certificates are to be filled out from the National Center for Health Statistics. Note box 25 (Father's Race). Read how it's to be determined. Also, if you look at this file in Illustrator, IT HAS LAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the State of Hawaii has already vouched for the authenticity of the document. As far as finding an expert forensic examiner, who would choose? Ever been in court and seen each side bring out their expert witnesses? Guess what? Without fail, they always agree with them that brung 'um.
Calm down! Jesus, stop being a drama queen. Now, how easy would it be to edit that document? Would the document that the WH released today, in the form it was released in, be admitted as evidence in court? I don't think so. Just because you believe it doesn't mean that everyone else has to believe it too. It's not the end of your world if others don't believe as you do.
OK, I'll say it just one more time. All PDF files have layers. All of them. There's no conspiracy, it just the technology. Is that better? Would the document that the WH released today, in the form it was released in, be admitted as evidence in court? I don't think so. In court the certified copy would be entered as evidence. Do you want the White House to have a certified copy mailed to every person in the US? They posted an image of the certified copy. What should they have done?
And there's really no reason for bullshit like that. You should join yukon's posse if you just want to insult and scream and don't want to actually discuss an issue.
For a new position, I had to have BOTH certified copies of my BC and College transcripts available; not copied or electronic format. The folks wanted sealed copies of the documents with no method of my possible alteration or tampering delivered directly to them for evaluation. It costs bucks, not a lot but it also costs time. I can see why 0bama doesn't do it; what create 300,000,000 certified copies of his personal records? That is nonsense and it doesn't PROVE a thing. What is required is a formal method of "vetting." There isn't any. So this entire CT has produced one notion for me; a federal committee formally organized to review USSC requirements needs to be in effect. You would think that out of some 25,000,000 government workers that a committee could be organized with little budget requirements, wouldn't you?
I've been discussing this all day. I'm getting really sick of it. I feel like I'm talking to Gatlin and harrowup.
All PDF files have layers. All of them. There's no conspiracy, it just the technology. Is that better? OK, I believe you. All PDF files have layers. Then why is in pdf? Would something NOT layered be more readily believable? And for the record, ANY digital format can and could be edited. This release is proof of nothing, yet look at you arguing it as fact and insulting anyone with the audacity to question a digital document.
Then go discuss something else and leave this one to those who might want to discuss it without being subjected to yukon.
And on that note, you can go fuck yourself.
Lol, they wouldn't believe you if gatlin himself took on your case.
------------------------------------- I have to apologize for that comment, but in my opinion, it wasn't nearly as bad as the yukon, Gatlin and harrowup comments you made.
Skip. Can you make a video and put it on youtube.
I don't think so. What would it be about?
After the great job he did saving yukon's ass I may need to bring him on board. The crowd's getting ugly here tonight.
Layers on a pdf file.
Well, just off the top of my head, they could have invited journalists to the WH and presented it, then allowed it to be photographed and published. They could have submitted it to a forensic document examiner and had it independently verified. Or, they could do like they did the last time, and release a digital image of a document that even I as a novice computer user could fake.
A video of what, aka? Actually, skip, if you had a kitten I wouldn't mind a video of it riding on of those little robot vacuums. I never get tired of that.
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#2. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#3. To: A K A Stone (#1)
#4. To: A K A Stone (#1)
I wonder what Obama is going to do if the polls say most people think the birth certificate is faked.
#5. To: Skip Intro (#3)
#6. To: Skip Intro (#3)
If you take any document and convert it to a PDF then look at it in Illustrator, it will have layers.
#7. To: Skip Intro (#3)
Another totally bullshit non-issue.
#8. To: Rudgear (#6)
A scanned document would not have layers, you liar.
#9. To: buckeroo (#7)
However, 0bama brought this on himself. This BC issue has followed him since he was an Illinois Senator. It should have been cleared up with all the publicity concerning it.
#10. To: Skip Intro (#8)
#11. To: Skip Intro (#9)
Donald Trump has moved on from the "birther" conspiracy to allege President Barack Obama didn't get good enough grades to warrant entry to Harvard Law School, an assertion that CBS News chief Washington correspondent Bob Schieffer called absurd on the "CBS Evening News" on Wednesday.
#12. To: Skip Intro (#8)
The document everyone is looking at is a PDF file released by the White House.
#13. To: Rudgear (#10)
Why would it have layers? A scanner or PDF program isn't intelligent. It can't distinguish between readable text and background.
#14. To: Rudgear (#10)
A scanned document, and that's what this fake purports to be, would not have layers. I
#15. To: buckeroo (#13)
I have the Professional version of Adobe and use it all the time.
#16. To: We The People (#12)
So why did they convert it to pdf, if a simple, non layered jpg or gif would do?
#17. To: Skip Intro (#15)
#18. To: buckeroo (#17)
Well said. I have no argument with your statements. I think a lot of folks just don't understand contemporary graphic art and associated software is all.
#19. To: Skip Intro (#14)
#20. To: Skip Intro (#18)
It's funny that not one of these internet "experts" thought of doing the same thing.
#21. To: buckeroo (#17)
I think a lot of folks just don't understand contemporary graphic art and associated software is all.
#22. To: Skip Intro (#16)
What does it matter what format they released it in? Is there any format that you wouldn't question?
#23. To: Rudgear (#19)
Why it was created as a PDF document is interesting and solely unnecessary. Unless it was created as a PDF document. Then the question becomes: why?
#24. To: buckeroo (#20)
All we can do is sit back and enjoy the show.
#25. To: We The People (#22)
I wouldn't question a format of the actual, original document being examined by an impartial forensic document examiner.
#26. To: Skip Intro (#24)
Also, if you look at this file in Illustrator, IT HAS LAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!
#27. To: We The People (#26)
Calm down! Jesus, stop being a drama queen.
#28. To: Skip Intro (#24)
It's almost as good as watching the Three Yukons.
#29. To: Skip Intro (#24)
#30. To: We The People (#28)
You should join yukon's posse if you just want to insult and scream and don't want to actually discuss an issue.
#31. To: Skip Intro (#27)
OK, I'll say it just one more time.
#32. To: Skip Intro (#30)
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I've been discussing this all day. I'm getting really sick of it. I feel like I'm talking to Gatlin and harrowup.
#33. To: Skip Intro (#30)
I feel like I'm talking to Gatlin and harrowup.
#34. To: Skip Intro (#24)
IT HAS LAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#35. To: Skip Intro (#30)
#36. To: Biff Tannen, Skip Intro (#34)
#37. To: A K A Stone (#36)
Skip. Can you make a video and put it on youtube.
#38. To: Biff Tannen (#34)
Lol, they wouldn't believe you if gatlin himself took on your case.
#39. To: Skip Intro (#37)
#40. To: Skip Intro (#27)
What should they have done?
#41. To: A K A Stone (#36)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
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