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Title: The House of Representatives Definition of “Natural Born Citizen” = Born of Citizen “Parents” (plural) in the U.S.
Source: House of Representatives/Natural Born Citizen
URL Source: http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress ... -of-citizen-parents-in-the-us/
Published: Apr 27, 2011
Author: n/a
Post Date: 2011-04-27 15:02:00 by Murron
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Comments: 10

The House of Representatives Definition of “Natural Born Citizen” = Born of Citizen “Parents” (plural) in the US

New York Tribune 1896: Those born of non-citizen parents may not be eligible for POTUS

The Boston Globe: “native born” does not equal “natural born” for Presidential eligibility

John Bingham, aka “father of the 14th Amendment”, was an abolitionist congressman from Ohio who prosecuted Lincoln’s assassins. Ten years earlier, he stated on the House floor:

“All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.” (Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 1639 (1862))

Then in 1866, Bingham also stated on the House floor:

“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

No other Representative ever took issue with these words on the floor of the House. If you read the Congressional Globe to study these debates, you will see that many of the underlying issues were hotly contested. However, Bingham’s definition of “natural born citizen” (born of citizen parents in the US) was never challenged on the floor of the House.

Furthermore, the Supreme Court’s holding in Wong Kim Ark did not address Presidential eligibility, nor did it define “natural born citizen”. It simply clarified who was a “citizen”. Had the framers of the 14th Amendment sought to define nbc, they would have used the words “natural born” in the Amendment. But they didn’t.

Do not allow the opposition to state this definition as “Vattel’s definition”. Challenge that tactic every time. Vattel didn’t make it up. His text on the law of nations compiled known existing law. Vattel was not a legislator.

It is proper to say, with regard to US Constitutional law, that this was the House definition as stated on the floor by Representative Bingham. And this definition was never opposed on the floor. And that is exactly where it should have been opposed if it were not the truth.

Debate upon issues of Constitutional law such as this belong on the House floor. And when an issue this important comes before the nation on the floor of “the people’s House”, and the issue is not challenged by any Representative of the people, then it’s certainly proper to infer that the House of Representatives, as a whole, agreed with that definition. After all, our nation is governed by debate on the floor of the House. But there never was debate on this issue because it was a proper statement of Constitutional law.

The definition of natural born citizen as stated on the House floor = born in the US to parents who are citizens. It’s not like those cats were incapable of correcting each other’s mistakes. Since no Supreme Court case ever stated a different definition of “natural born citizen”, and no Represenative ever challenged Bingham on this point, the House definition stands and officially remains unchallenged as of today. If the House wants to change this definition, let them bring the issue to the floor now and properly debate it.

The evidence is mounting on a daily basis that the current Commander In Chief is not eligible to hold the office of President. You have a voice. You have freedom of speech. You have access to your federal and state representatives.

The courts don’t want to hear from you.

The Constitution cannot survive unless you breath life into it. We are responsible to future generations. Do something with that responsibility. Use the law. Obey the law. Respect the law. Fight for the law.

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#1. To: Murron (#0)

The term is not codified into law and that is the problem. That is why it is a moot point, today; it has never been truly questioned in regards to the US Presidency and that is also why the USSC can't take a realistic case about the issue.

0bama was affirmed as having the qualifications for the US Presidency through centuries old traditions known as "vetting." The vetting processes and procedures are NOT a body of law and never were.

CASE DISMISSED!

buckeroo  posted on  2011-04-27   15:08:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: buckeroo (#1)

If this is not your cup of tea, then stay on your vanity thread, you'll need all your energy to think and chew gum at the same time, I put this here for anyone who might be interested.

Murron  posted on  2011-04-27   15:11:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Murron (#0)

This is what I agree on. I do not consider anyone born with dual citizenship a natural born citizen of the US. I have never cared about where Obama was born. For me, it has always been a problem that he was born with dual-citizenship.


If you're gonna stir my pot, you'd better get a good grip on the handle!

mel  posted on  2011-04-27   15:14:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: mel (#3)

For me, it has always been a problem that he was born with dual-citizenship.

U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-04-27   15:20:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: mel (#3)

This is what I agree on. I do not consider anyone born with dual citizenship a natural born citizen of the US. I have never cared about where Obama was born. For me, it has always been a problem that he was born with dual-citizenship.

His father, Barack Hussein Obama, was born in Kenya, East Africa, he Was NOT a U.S. citizen.

His step-father, Lolo Soetoro, was born in Bandung, West Java, he WAS NOT a U.S. citizen. Obama used the name Barry Soetoro after he was adopted for at least 4yrs (ages 6-10), as far a anyone is concerned, there are no records of him changing his name back to Barack Hussein Obama.

Therefore, Kunte Kinte is not a U.S. citizen...

Murron  posted on  2011-04-27   15:21:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Skip Intro (#4)

These bastards would whine about citizenship if it was only the doctor delivering Barack Obama who wasn't a citizen of the United States.

"It's okay to be Takei."

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-04-27   15:24:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Skip Intro (#4)

I am aware of that. Being a citizen is not the same as being a natural born citizen. If it were, then they never would have specified 'Natural Born Citizen'. This is my belief that I have developed from reading our forefathers' writing, such as what Murron has posted here. It was never intended for those born of non- citizens or with dual-citizenship to be Natural Born Citizens.


If you're gonna stir my pot, you'd better get a good grip on the handle!

mel  posted on  2011-04-27   15:34:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mel (#7)

Absolutely right.

We The People  posted on  2011-04-27   20:18:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ferret Mike (#6)

Bastards?

Really?

We The People  posted on  2011-04-27   20:19:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mel (#7)

Being a citizen is not the same as being a natural born citizen.

That's right. There's natural born and naturalized.

That's it.

Anyone born on US soil is natural born. Period. Finis.

Do I like it? No, I don't, but that doesn't change reality.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-04-27   20:20:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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