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Title: California Dreamin'—of Jobs in Texas
Source: WSJ
URL Source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100 ... 356340.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Published: Apr 23, 2011
Author: John Fund
Post Date: 2011-04-23 10:01:02 by CZ82
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Views: 28183
Comments: 45

California Dreamin'—of Jobs in Texas Hounded by taxes and regulations, employers in the once-Golden State are moving East..

By John Fund

Austin, Texas

It wasn't your usual legislative hearing. A group of largely Republican California lawmakers and Democratic Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom traveled here last week to hear from businesses that have left their state to set up shop in Texas.

"We came to learn why they would pick up their roots and move in order to grow their businesses," says GOP Assemblyman Dan Logue, who organized the trip. "Why does Chief Executive magazine rate California the worst state for job and business growth and Texas the best state?"

The contrast is undeniable. Texas has added 165,000 jobs during the last three years while California has lost 1.2 million. California's jobless rate is 12% compared to 8% in Texas.

"I don't see this as a partisan issue," Mr. Newsom told reporters before the group met with Texas Republican Gov. Rick Perry. The former San Francisco mayor has many philosophical disagreements with Mr. Perry, but he admitted he was "sick and tired" of hearing about the governor's success luring businesses to Texas.

State Assemblyman Dan Logue, R., and Assembly Minority Leader Connie Conway, R., during a news conference on the Texas meeting. .Hours after the legislators met with Mr. Perry, another business, Fujitsu Frontech, announced that it is abandoning California. "It's the 70th business to leave this year," says California business relocation expert Joe Vranich. "That's an average of 4.7 per week, up from 3.9 a week last year." The Lone Star State was the top destination, with 14 of the 70 moving there.

Andy Puzder, the CEO of Hardee's Restaurants, was one of many witnesses to bemoan California's hostile regulatory climate. He said it takes six months to two years to secure permits to build a new Carl's Jr. restaurant in the Golden State, versus the six weeks it takes in Texas. California is also one of only three states that demands overtime pay after an eight-hour day, rather than after a 40-hour week. Such rules wreak havoc on flexible work schedules based on actual need. If there's a line out the door at a Carl's Jr. while employees are seen resting, it's because they aren't allowed to help: Break time is mandatory.

"You can't build in California, you can't manage in California and you have to pay a big tax," Mr. Puzder told the legislators. "In Texas, it's the opposite—which is why we're building 300 new stores there this year."

Opinion Journal Columnist John Fund on Canada's new cable news channel. .Other states are even snatching away parts of California's entertainment industry. The Milken Institute, based in Santa Monica, Calif., reports that 36,000 entertainment jobs have left the state since 1997. The new film "Battle: Los Angeles," which is set in California, was filmed in Louisiana.

"The red tape is ridiculous," says Mark Tolley, the managing partner of B. Knightly Homes, which relocated to Austin from Long Beach in 2005. "Regulators see developers as wearing a black hat and the environmental laws have run amok."

"I'm a pro-jobs Democrat," Mr. Newsom told me. "My party needs to get back into the business of jobs." Mr. Newsom says he's developing an economic development plan to present to Gov. Jerry Brown, who he says "gets it" on the need for business-friendly policies. Mr. Newsom told me that what impressed him most about Mr. Perry and the Texas legislators was their singular focus on job creation.

California, by contrast, seems to constantly lose focus. Several Democrats who agreed to go on the Texas trip were pressured by public-employee unions to drop out—and many did. And just as Texas business leaders were testifying about how the state's tort reforms had improved job creation, word came of California's latest priority: On April 14, the state senate passed a bill mandating that all public school children learn the history of disabled and gay Americans.

One speaker from California shook his head in wonder: "You can have the most liberated lifestyle on the planet, but if you can't afford to put gas in your car or a roof over your head it's somewhat limited."

The most dramatic reform California could make would be to change its boom-and-bust tax system so it doesn't depend on a small number of wealthy residents who can flee the state. The idea would be to broaden the income tax base and lower the state's high rates. It works today in seven states ranging from Colorado to Massachusetts. Of course, the Lone Star State has no state income or capital gains tax at all.

"Texas' economy is far less volatile due to its having neither a progressive income tax system nor a large tax burden," concludes "Rich States, Poor States," a study by the American Legislative Exchange Council. Less volatility also allows Texas to keep expenditures in check. While it shares with California the challenge of a huge budget deficit this year, it's expected to close it without raising taxes. Texas's overall spending burden remains below what it was in 1987—a remarkable feat.

When Jerry Brown ran for president in 1992, he understood the distorting nature of the tax code and proposed a flat tax with deductions only for rent, mortgage interest and charitable contributions. He called it "a silver bullet" for the economy. Mr. Brown has since abandoned that idea, grousing recently to a state legislator that "the flat tax cost me the New York Democratic primary."

But if California continues its economic decline, something Texas-sized in its ambitions may be called for— whether it's a moratorium on new business regulations or a restructuring of the state's dysfunctional unemployment compensation or litigation. Nothing less is likely to stem the outflow of businesses and jobs from the Golden State.


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"I'm a pro-jobs Democrat," Mr. Newsom told me. "...... LOL.... yea right....

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#1. To: CZ82 (#0)

Showboating. They know why California is dieing, they just need to look like they care to remain in office. The idiots will vote them back into office and the sinking will resume.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-04-23   11:00:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: CZ82 (#0)

Now they want to come to Texas and f*ck it up, just like they did to Colorado and Washington state.

Abcdefg  posted on  2011-04-23   11:37:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: CZ82 (#0)

Let 'um go! We don't need anymore cheap labor employers in California.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-23   11:58:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: lucysmom (#3)

Let 'um go! We don't need anymore cheap labor employers in California.

I'd love to see some of those money losing corporate liabilities written off wineries and vineyards take a hit too. As soon as a vineyard is old enough to fully produce it gets ripped up and another planted. They'll blame it on rootstock, variety or whatever though, but it's always after the costs have been able to be fully deducted or depreciated.

mininggold  posted on  2011-04-23   13:41:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: lucysmom (#3)

Let 'um go! We don't need anymore cheap labor employers in California.

That's just that much more you're gonna have to shell out for the Welfare babies, out of your own pocket.......

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_)

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-23   13:41:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: CZ82 (#5)

That's just that much more you're gonna have to shell out for the Welfare babies, out of your own pocket.......

We'll send the parents to the Texas utopia with their old employers.

mininggold  posted on  2011-04-23   13:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All (#0)

I would say they are doing just fine.....

www.twc.state.tx.us/ svcs/commrs/012510chr.pdf

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_)

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-23   13:55:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: CZ82 (#7)

If they can outrun the wild fires.Evidently Texas can't afford to put out it's own fires.

mininggold  posted on  2011-04-23   14:08:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: mininggold (#4)

Hi mininggold. How are you doing?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-23   14:12:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#9)

Hi mininggold. How are you doing?

I'm doing okay, and I hope you are well.

mininggold  posted on  2011-04-23   14:14:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: mininggold (#10)

Thank You. Fine here.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-23   14:15:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mininggold (#8)

If they can outrun the wild fires.Evidently Texas can't afford to put out it's own fires.

I would imagine they are letting some of them burn themselves out, because the wind there makes it really dangerous to try and fight fires... Parts of Texas are some of the windiest places in the world.....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_)

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-23   14:18:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: CZ82 (#5)

That's just that much more you're gonna have to shell out for the Welfare babies, out of your own pocket.......

Really? It takes a minimal income of around $66,000 a year for a family of three to be independent in the California county where I live. That means people can work full time for a cheap labor employer and still need some form of welfare to get by.

A minimum wage employee would have to work 215 hours a week just to afford a two bedroom apartment here. It is all well and good to suggest that low wages encourage people to work hard and better themselves, however it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that just surviving doesn't leave much time or energy to pursue that self betterment program.

Cheap labor employers whine about taxes while transferring the cost of cheap labor to taxpayers. Who needs that?

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-23   14:52:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mininggold (#6)

We'll send the parents to the Texas utopia with their old employers.

I'll help the employers pack!

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-23   14:54:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: CZ82 (#12)

Parts of Texas are some of the windiest places in the world.....

Must be that hot air Texans are famous for.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-23   14:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: lucysmom (#15)

Must be that hot air Texans are famous for.

Along with a lot of other things they claim they are famous for......LOL....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_)

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-23   15:02:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: lucysmom (#13)

while transferring the cost of cheap labor to taxpayers.

How so????

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_)

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-23   15:03:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: CZ82 (#17)

How so????

Put on your thinking cap and see if you can figure it out.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-23   15:13:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lucysmom (#18)

Put on your thinking cap and see if you can figure it out.

I just wondered, because different states do things differently.....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_)

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-23   15:16:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: mininggold (#8)

If they can outrun the wild fires.Evidently Texas can't afford to put out it's own fires.

35 MPH winds and 10% RH will allow even 1" mowed grass to burn ... so how does this relate to 'cost'?

_Jim  posted on  2011-04-23   15:37:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: lucysmom (#15)

Must be that hot air Texans are famous for.

Recognized by an expert, no doubt?

_Jim  posted on  2011-04-23   15:38:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: lucysmom (#13)

Really? It takes a minimal income of around $66,000 a year for a family of three to be independent in the California county where I live. That means people can work full time for a cheap labor employer and still need some form of welfare to get by.

My MIL died awhile back. Her well maintained 2200+ sf 30 year old house in San Antonio in a nice area that didn't flood during those torrential rains a few years back was on the market for a year before getting a qualified offer of $87,000.

mininggold  posted on  2011-04-23   15:41:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: _Jim (#20)

35 MPH winds and 10% RH will allow even 1" mowed grass to burn ... so how does this relate to 'cost'?

Sounds like a lot of California in the summer/fall.

mininggold  posted on  2011-04-23   15:43:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: CZ82 (#19)

I just wondered, because different states do things differently.....

Here's an example from Wisconsin

Wal-Mart: the biggest problem

• Wisconsin taxpayers are subsidizing health insurance for 3,765 people who are Wal-Mart employees or the spouses and children of Wal-Mart employees.
• 1,252 are participants in BadgerCare, the state’s health insurance program for low-income working families.
• The cost to taxpayers for the coverage provided to Wal-Mart’s Medicaid participants is estimated at $4.75 million, with the state covering $1.8 million of that amount.
(Source: Wisconsin Department of Health and Family Services; Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, 5/24/05)

Tax payers should not subsidize Wal-Mart’s record profits
• U.S. taxpayers pay $1.5 billion subsidizing Wal-Mart Medicaid costs, 15% of Wal-Mart's $10 billion in profits last year.

href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&q=cache:ho56vEUVkEIJ:http://seiuwi.localsonline.org/docUploads/Wal-Mart%20Fact%20Sheet%20June%2013.pdf+walmart+working+poor+welfare&ct=clnk">webcache.googleuserconten...king+poor+welfare&ct=clnk

Who is stealing from whom?

Who are the working poor - how many families?

As of 2009, there were more than 10 million low-income working families in America, an increase of 246,000 from the previous year.

"It's important to realize we are talking about working families that work hard and play by the rules, but still do not earn enough to move out of the low-income class," said Brandon Roberts, manager of the Working Poor Families Project, based in Washington, D.C. "Low income" is defined as families earning less than 200 percent of the poverty level, which is $43,512 for a family of four with two adults and two children.

The hardships facing these workers who are the backbone of the economy -- cashiers, cooks and caregivers -- challenge the long-held belief that in America people who work hard can be assured of getting ahead.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11004/1115322-28.stm

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-23   16:00:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: mininggold (#22)

My MIL died awhile back. Her well maintained 2200+ sf 30 year old house in San Antonio in a nice area that didn't flood during those torrential rains a few years back was on the market for a year before getting a qualified offer of $87,000.

I met a woman who was fearful for her daughter who had lost her job, then her place to live, and with that her children, and is now in a tent in the Santa Cruz Mountains because that's the best she can do on unemployment and cleaning houses.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-23   16:10:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: mininggold (#22)

BTW, its good to see you back - rational voices are scarce in these parts.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-23   16:12:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: lucysmom (#13)

So in essence what you're saying is because of things that happened in the past, is the cause of your problems currently.....

Let me guess, wages for a significant number of people got "WAY" too high. This in conjunction with tourism, unrealistic housing values, unrealistic property values and high taxes have driven up the cost of living (COL) so much, that the "Average" person can't survive on "average" wages..... (Which you used to be able to do it this country, but no more).... On top of that the amount of "Above average paying jobs" is dwindling by the day with no relief in sight.... The businesses are going to lower COL areas or overseas to stay competitive in the marketplace.....

And now the "Above average" people are now mad at these "average" people, because they don't want to "subsidize" the problem "the above average created" in the first place... So the answer is to "either" pay everybody more money, so they can live better... (which will in return drive up the cost of living even more, exacerbating the problem) ...... or better yet tell them to get the hell out of our state so "WE" can have out perfect little Utopia.....

For a start why don't you demand your state and local governments round up and kick out all of the Illegal aliens there.... That would reduce your tax burden significantly, but that would also reduce the amount of Democrat voters too so we know that isn't going to happen......

All I can say is you have your work cut out for you, and some "painful" decisions are going to have to be made to fix the mess.... and some folks are going to have to pull their heads out of the sand and take a good hard look at reality and learn to deal with it....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_)

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-24   8:37:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: CZ82 (#27)

And now the "Above average" people are now mad at these "average" people, because they don't want to "subsidize" the problem "the above average created" in the first place... So the answer is to "either" pay everybody more money, so they can live better... (which will in return drive up the cost of living even more, exacerbating the problem) ...... or better yet tell them to get the hell out of our state so "WE" can have out perfect little Utopia.....

You are off track in so many ways. The county I live in has 4 of the 100 wealthiest cities in the US within its borders, two in the top 10. I live in one of the wealthiest zip codes. (north end of Silicon Valley) The neighboring county is among the 25 wealthiest in the US.

Those rich guys need people to clean their pools, tend their children and gardens, wait on their tables, stock shelves in their grocery stores, man the cash registrars, fit their shoes, collect their garbage, repair their cars, wash their cars, lay their carpets, repair their homes, answer their phones, open their mail, clean their clothes, teach their children, make appointments for them with their doctors and dentists, and on and on. Now we don't just have a few of those rich people competing with us average guys for a place to live, we have A LOT of them - what do you think that does to property values in an area where land is scarce?

From the CIA World Factbook: The onrush of technology largely explains the gradual development of a "two-tier labor market" in which those at the bottom lack the education and the professional/technical skills of those at the top and, more and more, fail to get comparable pay raises, health insurance coverage, and other benefits. Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households. What happened to "A rising tide lifts all boats?"

Average people who work and WORK HARD have been loosing ground, through no fault of their own since 1975, and a brain-washed pipsqueak like you comes along to tell them that they are lazy, lack gumption, and are parasites sucking the life blood out of the worthy and productive. No wonder people are mad.

Very clever of the radical right to reduce the argument to "pay everybody more money, so they can live better... (which will in return drive up the cost of living even more, exacerbating the problem)" Ooh - see - better pay will hurt you too. (What happened to that rising tide thingie?)

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-24   11:33:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: CZ82 (#27)

For a start why don't you demand your state and local governments round up and kick out all of the Illegal aliens there.... That would reduce your tax burden significantly, but that would also reduce the amount of Democrat voters too so we know that isn't going to happen......

Well Californians voted to do that in the 90s (as California goes, so goes the nation). The law was struck down in federal court because it was unconstitutional - seems the Constitution that you on the radical right claim to revere gives the federal government, not the states the right to regulate immigration.

Now you can blame Democrats for not doing a better job regulating immigration on the federal level, but then you have to explain people like billionaire Meg Whitman who was perfectly happy to employ her cheap labor, illegal immigrant housekeeper until her political ambitions made the woman a liability.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-24   11:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: lucysmom (#28) (Edited)

Very clever of the radical right to reduce the argument to "pay everybody more money, so they can live better... (which will in return drive up the cost of living even more, exacerbating the problem)" Ooh - see - better pay will hurt you too.

Maybe because it's the truth.....

So what if "everybody" (except for the evil rich) in your county made $75K per year.... what would that do to your cost of living?????? You're blaming the evil rich for ruining it for "everybody" else by making the cost of living skyrocket, don't you think everybody making $75K would accomplish the same thing..... make it go up even more???? You might want to start blaming the government for printing all of that money over the years, that has contributed to making the dollar almost worthless.....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_)

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-24   15:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: lucysmom (#28)

You are off track in so many ways. The county I live in has 4 of the 100 wealthiest cities in the US within its borders, two in the top 10. I live in one of the wealthiest zip codes. (north end of Silicon Valley) The neighboring county is among the 25 wealthiest in the US.

Those rich guys need people to clean their pools, tend their children and gardens, wait on their tables, stock shelves in their grocery stores, man the cash registrars, fit their shoes, collect their garbage, repair their cars, wash their cars, lay their carpets, repair their homes, answer their phones, open their mail, clean their clothes, teach their children, make appointments for them with their doctors and dentists, and on and on. Now we don't just have a few of those rich people competing with us average guys for a place to live, we have A LOT of them - what do you think that does to property values in an area where land is scarce?

If I'm so far off track then why did you agree with what I said about "a significant amount of people being paid way too much in the past, and unrealistic housing and property prices" ?????

Why don't you just tell the evil rich to go take a "phucking" hike, get lost, go away, jump off a cliff or whatever you prefer..... Or maybe just put them all in a playpen away from the average working joe..... Or you could just move somewhere else and commute into town.... the choice is yours.....

The problem is if the rich did leave then all of the jobs would disappear and everybody would be on Welfare..... Commuting would cost an arm and a leg... Your problem is not unique it's happening all over this country..... and there is no easy solution to it.....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_)

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-24   16:05:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: lucysmom (#28)

Average people who work and WORK HARD have been loosing ground, through no fault of their own since 1975, and a brain-washed pipsqueak like you comes along to tell them that they are lazy, lack gumption, and are parasites sucking the life blood out of the worthy and productive. No wonder people are mad.

I didn't say the "hard working" ones are parasites, only the lazy ones..... And you seem to forget that I'm one of those average people too, not one of the evil rich as the Left puts it...... I've already retired from one line of work and am working on my second "retirement" as we speak... If that's what it takes to provide for my family then so be it, I'm doing it..... So I think I have an idea about how it works.....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_)

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-24   16:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: lucysmom (#28)

From the CIA World Factbook: The onrush of technology largely explains the gradual development of a "two-tier labor market" in which those at the bottom lack the education and the professional/technical skills of those at the top and, more and more, fail to get comparable pay raises, health insurance coverage, and other benefits. Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households. What happened to "A rising tide lifts all boats?"

If you want to get to the top 20% then you have to get the education for it... If you don't to put in the time then don't whine about it.....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_)

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-24   16:33:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: lucysmom (#29)

Well Californians voted to do that in the 90s (as California goes, so goes the nation). The law was struck down in federal court because it was unconstitutional - seems the Constitution that you on the radical right claim to revere gives the federal government, not the states the right to regulate immigration.

I wouldn't be afraid to say it was a Liberal judge who did you in on the immigration ruling... or the judge got bribed to do it...... someone who is looking out for the good of the country wouldn't have done that......

Now the federal government is "supposed" to be responsible for immigration, legal and illegal.... But they aren't doing their job, they don't want to... they are only worried about getting votes!!!!! So I don't have a problem with the states doing their own immigration control, especially the ones on our Northern and Southern borders..... And if they do decide to do their own immigration control then the government should give them the funds necessary to accomplish that..... (money that was appropriated for the Federal government to do that job).... instead of giving that money to parasites to get their votes...

Meg Whitman... LOL.... she is just another RINO... what do you want me to say.... she is not someone I would vote for but I guess that she's all you have...... other than that idiot Jerry Brown......

That Constitution being in place as such gives you and me the right to be free, and many have died so that we can enjoy it..... I gave 20 years to my country to ensure that freedom stays in place..... mocking those who have died is not very wise or respectful..... You could be in a gulag you know.... or someplace like Haiti....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_)

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-24   17:06:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: CZ82 (#31)

If I'm so far off track then why did you agree with what I said about "a significant amount of people being paid way too much in the past, and unrealistic housing and property prices" ?????

You only think I'm agreeing with you because you're not looking high enough up the food chain.

Or you could just move somewhere else and commute into town.... the choice is yours.....

You wouldn't believe the distances some people around here commute in order to afford a house.

The problem is if the rich did leave then all of the jobs would disappear and everybody would be on Welfare..... Commuting would cost an arm and a leg... Your problem is not unique it's happening all over this country..... and there is no easy solution to it.....

Yours is the kind of thinking that enslaves.

Have you heard the expression "nature abhors a void"? If all the rich picked up and moved away, others would take their place.

When Adam delved and Eve span, who was then the gentleman? People have been making their own work since the beginning of time.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-24   18:01:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: CZ82 (#34)

I wouldn't be afraid to say it was a Liberal judge who did you in on the immigration ruling... or the judge got bribed to do it...... someone who is looking out for the good of the country wouldn't have done that......

Liberal or Conservative, judges are constrained by the Constitution, the supreme law of the land, in rendering a decision.

You could be in a gulag you know....

No doubt if you and your ilk had your way, I would be in a gulag.

The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-24   18:05:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: lucysmom (#36)

gulag

I'd pick a different institution. :o)

We The People  posted on  2011-04-24   18:16:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: lucysmom (#36)

Liberal or Conservative, judges are constrained by the Constitution, the supreme law of the land, in rendering a decision.

ROTFLMAO.... "supposedly".........

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_)

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-25   6:29:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: lucysmom (#35)

Yours is the kind of thinking that enslaves.

It's your choice to live there, are you enslaving yourself????

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_)

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-25   6:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: lucysmom (#35)

You wouldn't believe the distances some people around here commute in order to afford a house.

I did it for a short period of time in Dallas/Ft Worth right after I retired from the military... I decided it wasn't worth it so packed up and moved. Was the best decision of my life, what used to take 2-3 hours now takes 30 minutes to 1 hr.....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning (_*_)

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-25   6:41:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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