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Title: 911 SURVIVOR WON’T BACK DOWN
Source: Before It's News
URL Source: http://beforeitsnews.com/story/531/ ... _SURVIVOR_WON_T_BACK_DOWN.html
Published: Apr 19, 2011
Author: Mark Anderson
Post Date: 2011-04-19 07:39:59 by Bill D Berger
Keywords: None
Views: 46294
Comments: 60

Perhaps the most compelling direct testimony regarding the harrowing events of Sept. 11, 2001 comes from survivor and former Army Spec. April Gallop, who—with her two-month-old child, Elisha, in tow—arrived at the Pentagon just minutes before a powerful explosion rocked the building that Tuesday morning. Ms. Gallop spoke out on her experience at conferences where this AFP writer heard her story—which has never wavered.

Ms. Gallop wants justice. So, in coordination with the Center for 911 Justice, she filed a federal lawsuit and is staying the course, whatever the odds. The defendants are former Vice President Dick Cheney, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and Gen. Richard Myers (USAF, retired), former acting Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman.

Transportation Secretary and eyewitness Norman Mineta testified to the now disbanded 911 Commission that Cheney, on duty during the attacks, urgently spoke of an approaching hostile attack against the Pentagon but, incredibly, ordered a military stand down. Since the World Trade Center in Manhattan had already been hit, Ms. Gallop continues to ask why neither air defenses nor alarm warnings were implemented in and around the Pentagon.


The moment she turned on her work computer on Sept. 11, 2001, a powerful blast knocked her unconscious. Injured, she soon awoke with debris on her, even while reaching around and pulling her child, also injured, who survived, from the debris pile.
  
When Ms. Gallop exited the building through the hole made by the explosion, she saw no sign of plane wreckage. Yet the world is still told 10 years later that American Airlines Flight 77 rammed into history’s most sophisticated command center without any attempted interception and vaporized, which various researchers say is absurd.

Ms. Gallop also maintains that federal officials repeatedly preached to her that a large commercial airliner hit the Pentagon and that she was strongly advised not to state otherwise.

“I could have very early given up,” Ms. Gallop told AFP March 29. “My efforts are much larger than many people think they are.” She now is fighting to obtain subpoena power, with the help of attorney William Veale and support through Centerfor911Justice.org.

Talking with AFP, she asked: “Do we want certain people in a position where they cannot ever be brought to justice?”

Federal District Judge Denny Chin dismissed Ms. Gallop’s lawsuit in a lower court, claiming that the complaint was based on “cynical delusion and fantasy.” But Ms. Gallop won’t buckle. Her appeal, as AFP went to press, was slated to go before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit on April 5 in New Haven, Conn. She is citing a “violation of civil rights, conspiracy and other wrongs,” the complaint states.

“This case . . . is premised on an allegation of broad complicity in the attack on the part of key U.S. government officials,” the complainant said.

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#20. To: Badeye (#18)

I accept the findings of the 9/11 Commission


9/11 Commissioner slips up, says missile hit... by Illuminaught

Didn't Rumsfeld says the same thing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   10:30:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Badeye (#18)

I accept the findings of the 9/11 Commission on this

Laughs, that doesn't surprise me at all.

The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies

(CINCINNATI, Ohio) – In John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/1183;, the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version… is almost entirely untrue…

The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.

Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities’ School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report.

Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.

Farmer states…“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened… I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”

The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say… “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . ” When Bush’s own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done?

9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, “No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again.”

With the only “official” 9/11 report now totally false, where do we go from here? Who is hurt by these lies? The families of the victims of 9/11 have fought, for years, to get to the truth. For years, our government has hidden behind lies and secrecy to deny them closure.

What does Farmer’s book tell us? Farmer offers no solutions, only a total and full rejection of what was told and his own his own ideas concerning the total failure of honesty on the part of the government, a government with something to hide.

Farmer never tells us what. Nobody could keep a job in the public sector speaking out more than Farmer has. What were Farmer’s omissions? There are some. Now that we know that intelligence given the 9/11 Commission wasn’t just lies from our own government but based on testimony coerced through torture from informants forced to back up a cover story now proven false, a pattern emerges.

We know that, immediately after 9/11, many more potential suspects and informants were flown directly to Saudi Arabia by Presidential order than were ever detained and questioned. We will never know what they could have said. Their testimony would have been vital to any real investigation were they not put beyond the reach of even Congress and the FBI.

Putting aside all other questions of recent evidence of CIA involvement with bin Laden prior to 9/11 or altered physical evidence involving the Pentagon attack, any failure to call to account the systematic perjury committed by dozens of top government officials, now exposed as a certainty is an offense to every American.

What do we know? We know the conjecture about 9/11 still stands but for certain, we know we were lied to, not in a minor way, but systematically as part of a plot covering up government involvement at nearly every level, perhaps gross negligence, perhaps something with darker intent.

Are we willing to live with another lie to go with the Warren Report, Iran Contra and so many others? Has the sacrifice of thousands more Americans, killed, wounded or irreparably damaged by a war knowingly built on the same lies from the same liars who misled the 9/11 Commission pushed us beyond willingness to confront the truth?

Have we yet found where the lies have begun and ended? There is no evidence of this, only evidence to the contrary. The lies live on and the truth will never be sought. The courage for that task has not been found.

Can anyone call themselves an American if they don’t demand, even with the last drop of their blood, that the truth be found?

How long have we watered the Tree of Deceit with the blood of patriots?

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   10:32:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#17)

Stick to what I noted.

Forget all the other 'bullshit' (my opinion after looking at and reading everything on the topic over the last decade).

Explain how it is Paul Begala, partisan hack extrodinair, lied literally within ten minutes of the plane hitting...to his own wife, then on the air that day, and every time its come up since then.

Explain how it is Paul Begala, OF ALL PEOPLE, has agreed to keep the Bush administration from harm.

Good Lord, Stone...I don't believe Begala would have done this for CLINTON, let alone a Republican he's attacked in the most vicious ways possible from 1999 til...well, probably this morning.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   10:33:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Badeye, AKA Stone (#22)

Explain how it is Paul Begala, partisan hack extrodinair, lied literally within ten minutes of the plane hitting...to his own wife, then on the air that day, and every time its come up since then.

Explain how it is Paul Begala, OF ALL PEOPLE, has agreed to keep the Bush administration from harm.

Rules of Disinformation

4. Use a straw man.

Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make  yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges.  Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   10:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Bill D Berger (#21)

Okay, great.

You now have two theories you are required to 'prove'.

1. That Begala has been lying for a decade to everyone from his own children that were in the car, his wife, the entire Democratic Party which he values above his own country.

2. That he is in fact a 'key conspirator' in full support of the Bush/Cheney administration.

And then you have to convince the hundreds that saw the plane flying at 100 feet above the expressway adjacent to the Pentagon that they suffered a mass hullucination at exactly the same moment, while driving at 60 - 70 miles per hour in rush hour traffick.

Get back to me when you can do this. Seriously. I accept the findings of the 9/11 Commission on this. You claim its bullshit. Okay, fine. Debunk the above.

Good luck, its only been a decade....

I"m not interested in spinning away from the above, BDB.

Explain what I've asked you to here.

If you can.

If you can't...don't waste any more time pinging me.

This is a great example of the 9/11 conspiracy theory types. You put them in a corner as I've done here, and they try to spin away on other aspects to cloud the issue. Stone's doing the same thing.

Explain how Paul Begala became a CONSPIRATOR in support of this 'hoax' perpetrated by George W Bush and Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld...along with a cast that is required to number in the hundreds, if not thousands.

If you don't want to address it, thats fine. But don't ping me to anything related to 9/11 til you do. I've beeter things to do.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   10:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Bill D Berger (#23)

Rules of Disinformation

The irony here is hilarious.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   10:38:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Badeye (#22)

Explain how it is Paul Begala, partisan hack extrodinair, lied literally within ten minutes of the plane hitting...to his own wife, then on the air that day, and every time its come up since then.

Explain how it is Paul Begala, OF ALL PEOPLE, has agreed to keep the Bush administration from harm.

The Fly on the Wall and the 9-11 Commission Cover Up

The Plan to Hide the Truth About 9-11 Begins

Even though it was the middle of the holiday season of 2003, the attendees all arrived at the scheduled meeting on time, if not a bit early.

Paul Begala arrived first as planned and worked with the Secret Service to insure that the meeting room had no bugs or recording devices. Jamie Gorelick arrived next, nodded hello to Paul, went to the sideboard and rounded up a bottle of spring water and a donut as provided. She noticed a fly indulging in one of the donuts and shooed the beast off in disgust.

"Imagine flies this time of year," Gorelick said to Paul then assumed a seat at the conference table.

Sandy Berger, Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton arrived together. Greetings were exchanged, coffee or water obtained, the fly again was shooed off a donut.

Richard Ben-Veniste came breathlessly into the room five minutes later, threw his briefcase into a chair, picked up a bottle of water from the sideboard and again shooed the pesky fly off of the donut.

"How in the hell are flies still around at Christmas?" Ben-Veniste asked distractedly.

Begala cleared his throat once all attendees were settled.
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"We've checked the room. There are no bugs. Everything is safe," Begala explained. The fly landed on Hillary's donut.

"I want whoever prepared the refreshments fired," Hillary said acidly. "There's no excuse for this fly in the room at this time of year."

Begala cleared his throat again after scribbling a note to himself to fire the refreshment staff as Hillary commanded.

"Okay, we're here to finalize The Plan," Begala said, using his index and middle finger of each hand to create imaginary quotes in the air as he said the words "The Plan" solemnly.

"I still think you're biting off too much here," Bill Clinton began. "I think we should stick to," here Bill stopped and looked to the ceiling for the delicate phrasing required. "I think we should stick to cleaning up any aspersions that would be cast on the Democrat administration over the 9-11 attacks and leave the Republicans alone."

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   10:42:40 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Badeye (#24)

You put them in a corner as I've done here,

Too funny.

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   10:44:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Bill D Berger (#26)

Explain how it is Paul Begala, partisan hack extrodinair, lied literally within ten minutes of the plane hitting...to his own wife, then on the air that day, and every time its come up since then. Explain how it is Paul Begala, OF ALL PEOPLE, has agreed to keep the Bush administration from harm.

Still can't do this, as I expected.

Thats enough. You don't have to ping me any more to this thread.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   10:45:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Badeye, Bill D Berger (#28)

Then there's the guys at the Citgo station too.

The whole idea of a 757 being flown as a diversion for a missile is insane.

Give that planes had already crashed into the WTC, why would a missile attack be hard to believe?

Occam's Razor.

America...My Kind Of Place...

war  posted on  2011-04-19   10:52:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Badeye (#28)

Thats enough. You don't have to ping me any more to this thread.

Typical, just as I remembered you.

Get your ass handed to you, then run away and claim victory.

Some things never change.

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   10:53:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Bill D Berger (#0)

Yes. Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld did it. There's even an official transcript

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BUSH: So, what's the plan again?

CHENEY: Well, we need to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. So what we've decided to do is crash a whole bunch of remote-controlled planes into Wall Street and the Pentagon, say they're real hijacked commercial planes, and blame it on the towelheads; then we'll just blow up the buildings ourselves to make sure they actually fall down.

RUMSFELD: Right! And we'll make sure that some of the hijackers are agents of Saddam Hussein! That way we'll have no problem getting the public to buy the invasion.

CHENEY: No, Don, we won't.

RUMSFELD: We won't?

CHENEY: No, that's too obvious. We'll make the hijackers Al Qaeda and then just imply a connection to Iraq.

RUMSFELD: But if we're just making up the whole thing, why not just put Saddam's fingerprints on the attack?

CHENEY: (sighing) It just has to be this way, Dick. Ups the ante, as it were. This way, we're not insulated if things go wrong in Iraq. Gives us incentive to get the invasion right the first time around.

BUSH: I'm a total idiot who can barely read, so I'll buy that. But I've got a question. Why do we need to crash planes into the Towers at all? Since everyone knows terrorists already tried to blow up that building complex from the ground up once, why don't we just blow it up like we plan to anyway, and blame the bombs on the terrorists?

RUMSFELD: Mr. President, you don't understand. It's much better to sneak into the buildings ourselves in the days before the attacks, plant the bombs and then make it look like it was exploding planes that brought the buildings down. That way, we involve more people in the plot, stand a much greater chance of being exposed and needlessly complicate everything!

CHENEY: Of course, just toppling the Twin Towers will never be enough. No one would give us the war mandate we need if we just blow up the Towers. Clearly, we also need to shoot a missile at a small corner of the Pentagon to create a mightily underpublicized additional symbol of international terrorism -- and then, obviously, we need to fake a plane crash in the middle of fucking nowhere in rural Pennsylvania.

RUMSFELD: Yeah, it goes without saying that the level of public outrage will not be sufficient without that crash in the middle of fucking nowhere.

CHENEY: And the Pentagon crash -- we'll have to do it in broad daylight and say it was a plane, even though it'll really be a cruise missile.

BUSH: Wait, why do we have to use a missile?

CHENEY: Because it's much easier to shoot a missile and say it was a plane. It's not easy to steer a real passenger plane into the Pentagon. Planes are hard to come by.

BUSH: But aren't we using two planes for the Twin Towers?

CHENEY: Mr. President, you're missing the point. With the Pentagon, we use a missile, and say it was a plane.

BUSH: Right, but I'm saying, why don't we just use a plane and say it was a plane? We'll be doing that with the Twin Towers, right?

CHENEY: Right, but in this case, we use a missile. (Throws hands up in frustration) Don, can you help me out here?

RUMSFELD: Mr. President, in Washington, we use a missile because it's sneakier that way. Using an actual plane would be too obvious, even though we'll be doing just that in New York.

BUSH: Oh, OK.

RUMSFELD: The other good thing about saying that it was a passenger jet is that that way, we have to invent a few hundred fictional victims and account for a nonexistent missing crew and plane. It's always better when you leave more cover story to invent, more legwork to do and more possible holes to investigate. Doubt, legwork and possible exposure -- you can't pull off any good conspiracy without them.

BUSH: You guys are brilliant! Because if there's one thing about Americans -- they won't let a president go to war without a damn good reason. How could we ever get the media, the corporate world and our military to endorse an invasion of a secular Iraqi state unless we faked an attack against New York at the hands of a bunch of Saudi religious radicals? Why, they'd never buy it. Look at how hard it was to get us into Vietnam, Iraq the last time, Kosovo?

CHENEY: Like pulling teeth!

RUMSFELD: Well, I'm sold on the idea. Let's call the Joint Chiefs, the FAA, the New York and Washington, D.C., fire departments, Rudy Giuliani, all three networks, the families of a thousand fictional airline victims, MI5, the FBI, FEMA, the NYPD, Larry Eagleburger, Osama bin Laden, Noam Chomsky and the fifty thousand other people we'll need to pull this off. There isn't a moment to lose!

BUSH: Don't forget to call all of those Wall Street hotshots who donated $100 million to our last campaign. They'll be thrilled to know that we'll be targeting them for execution as part of our thousand-tentacled modern-day bonehead Reichstag scheme! After all, if we're going to make martyrs -- why not make them out of our campaign paymasters? Shit, didn't the Merrill Lynch guys say they needed a refurbishing in their New York offices?

RUMSFELD: Oh, they'll get a refurbishing, all right. Just in time for the "Big Wedding"!

ALL THREE: (cackling) Mwah-hah-hah!

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-04-19   10:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: no gnu taxes (#31)

CHENEY: Well, we need to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. So what we've decided to do is crash a whole bunch of remote-controlled planes into Wall Street and the Pentagon, say they're real hijacked commercial planes, and blame it on the towelheads; then we'll just blow up the buildings ourselves to make sure they actually fall down.

RUMSFELD: Right! And we'll make sure that some of the hijackers are agents of Saddam Hussein! That way we'll have no problem getting the public to buy the invasion.

Pretty close to how it actually went down.

PNAC behind 9/11?

"The Project for the New American Century is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle; and that too few political leaders today are making the case for global leadership."



Removing Saddam and protecting Israel and Mid-East oil...

"It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, the safety...of our friends and allies like Israel ...and a significant portion of the world’s supply of oil will all be put at hazard.
In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power." - Jan. 1998



Increasing U.S. military budget by way of a "new Pearl Harbor"...

"To preserve American military preeminence in the coming decades, the [DoD] must move more aggressively to experiment with new technologies and operational concepts, and seek to exploit the emerging revolution in military affairs.
...the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor." - Sept. 2000



PNAC who's who:

Elliott Abrams, Gary Bauer, William J. Bennett, Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Eliot A. Cohen, Midge Decter, Paula Dobriansky, Steve Forbes, Aaron Friedberg, Francis Fukuyama, Frank Gaffney, Fred C. Ikle, Donald Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad, I. Lewis Libby, Norman Podhoretz, Dan Quayle, Peter W. Rodman, Stephen P. Rosen, Henry S. Rowen, Donald Rumsfeld, Vin Weber, George Weigel, Paul Wolfowitz - PNAC Statement of Principles

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   11:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Badeye (#22)

Explain how it is Paul Begala, partisan hack extrodinair, lied literally within ten minutes of the plane hitting...to his own wife, then on the air that day, and every time its come up since then.

I've never seen that. But I believe you.

Maybe he is just lying about it because that is what he does. He wanted to seem important.

Studying Begala isn't a scientific approach.

Measuring the size of the "jet" and the size of the pentagon is scientific.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   11:30:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone, Badeye (#33)

Maybe he is just lying about it because that is what he does. He wanted to seem important.

Badeye doesn't seem to get the fact that Begala is a chronic and pathological liar, but for some odd reason Badeye believes he is telling the truth in this case.

Well, it's about what I expected from someone who believes the "official" 9/11 commission report.

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   11:34:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Bill D Berger (#30)

Again, another spin away from what I asked of you.

Typical of the 9/11 truthers, BDB. As such, there is no reason to continue this. We both know where it ends up.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   11:40:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#33)

I've never seen that. But I believe you.

Maybe he is just lying about it because that is what he does. He wanted to seem important.

Studying Begala isn't a scientific approach.

The plane filled his windshield up it was so close, Stone.

And eye witness testimony like his simply can't be debunked, given the public nature of this extrodinary event.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   11:42:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Bill D Berger (#34) (Edited)

Badeye doesn't seem to get the fact that Begala is a chronic and pathological liar, but for some odd reason Badeye believes he is telling the truth in this case.

And Paul Begala has been playing that role for years around issues and various events in which those on left might need a special push to believe. They see that jackal as one of their own.

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Rek  posted on  2011-04-19   11:43:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Badeye (#35)

As such, there is no reason to continue this.

Of course not.

We both know where it ends up.

Yes, with you running away.

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Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   11:43:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Bill D Berger (#34)

Badeye doesn't seem to get the fact that Begala is a chronic and pathological liar, but for some odd reason Badeye believes he is telling the truth in this case.

Well, it's about what I expected from someone who believes the "official" 9/11 commission report.

Actually, thats the point, BDB.

Yep, Begala has issues with the truth...when the topic is politics. No disputing it. What also cannot be disputed is the wildly one sided nature of those lies, which stretch back to his days on Tip O'Neils staff.

What you suggest here is Begala did something he's NEVER done in his life.

'Lie' so as to benefit the GOP, and a Republican Administration he to this day has a burning hatred of.

Sorry, that dog won't hunt.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   11:45:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Badeye (#36)

I respect your position. I don't have all the answers. But I don't believe the governments position. I think there were elements of the government involved.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   11:45:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Bill D Berger (#38)

Yes, with you running away.

Gee, wrong again, obviously.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   11:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone (#40)

Thanks Stone.

I"m going to 'run away' now....(laughing)

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   11:46:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Badeye (#39) (Edited)

Lie' so as to benefit the GOP, and a Republican Administration he to this day has a burning hatred of.

This goes beyond "party politics"

Of course he is going to lie and "appear" to support Republicans, when it serves the New World Order agenda.

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Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   11:52:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Bill D Berger (#43)

This goes beyond "party politics"

Of course he is going to lie, when it serves the New World Order agenda.

Sigh...okay. Lets accept your premise here.

Prove he's lying, and prove he's 'serving the New World Order agenda.'

Thats all you have to do to convince me. Please don't link or cut and paste ANYTHING in response to this post that isn't specifically addressing these two requirements I've stated I need to be 'convinced'.

Prove he's lying, prove he's serving the NWO, BDB.

Nice straight line request.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   11:56:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Badeye (#44) (Edited)

Prove he's lying, and prove he's 'serving the New World Order agenda.'

Thats all you have to do to convince me. Please don't link or cut and paste ANYTHING in response to this post that isn't specifically addressing these two requirements I've stated I need to be 'convinced'.

Prove he's lying, prove he's serving the NWO, BDB.

How can anything be disproven when your government refuses to release all but a small token amount of footage. What truth could they possibly be afraid of revealing at this point?

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Rek  posted on  2011-04-19   12:08:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Rek (#45)

How can anything be disproven when your government

For this to be true, Paul Begala, not the 'government' has to be lying, Rek.

It should be very easy to determine if he lied about a airliner flying so close it filled up his windshield while he was driving his kids to school on the interstate directly adjacent to the pentagon on 9/11/01.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   12:31:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Badeye (#46)

For this to be true, Paul Begala, not the 'government' has to be lying, Rek.

It should be very easy to determine if he lied about a airliner flying so close it filled up his windshield while he was driving his kids to school on the interstate directly adjacent to the pentagon on 9/11/01.

Until the gov comes clean Begala can't be proven either way. Doesn't it bother you that under Obama they are still hiding lots of camera footage of the event?

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Rek  posted on  2011-04-19   12:34:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Rek (#47)

Until the gov comes clean Begala can't be proven either way. Doesn't it bother you that under Obama they are still hiding lots of camera footage of the event?

Actually, its rather easy to demonstrate Begala is lying, and it has nothing to do with the goverment.

Either Begala drove his kids to school that day, or he didn't.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   13:13:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: A K A Stone (#17)

Why did firemen say there were bombs in the building.

They were doing so to describe a sound not a fact...

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war  posted on  2011-04-19   15:20:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Rek (#47)

Doesn't it bother you that under Obama they are still hiding lots of camera footage of the event?

So is he covering for the government or his Muslim buddies???

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CZ82  posted on  2011-04-19   15:25:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Rek (#47) (Edited)

Are all of these people lying?

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war  posted on  2011-04-19   15:39:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Badeye (#28)

Explain how it is Paul Begala, partisan hack extrodinair...

Still can't do this, as I expected. Thats enough. You don't have to ping me any more to this thread.

Nobody's gonna' fall for your bullshit straw-man argument, you sorry sack of shit.

Your name, "bad-LIE," is well-deserved.

Perhaps if YOU were able to conclusively refute anything posted on this thread, you'd at least have a leg to stand on...

I suppose you believe Oswald was the lone shooter of Kennedy, too? Of course, were you to try and rapid-fire a few rounds out of a Carcano rifle, you'd know the one-gunman theory was complete bullshit...

But no... You love the lies.

You're a pathetic piece of shit... Totally feckless.

Socialist ass-hats think "There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." And yes, that IS from LF's answer to Ben Bernanke, go65, leading disfunctional and delusional socialist of the forum.

"You want me to kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, I'll kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, Rebs, or Sioux, or Cheyenne... For 500 bucks a month I'll kill whoever you want. But keep one thing in mind: I'd happily kill you for free." Algren, "The Last Samurai"

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-04-20   19:23:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: war (#49)

Why did firemen say there were bombs in the building.

They were doing so to describe a sound not a fact...

No they were talking about sound and the explosions you can see as poofs of smoke below where the building was collapsing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-20   19:26:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: A K A Stone (#53) (Edited)

Is it your contention that massive amounts of material crashing into each other doesn't create "smoke" or "noise"?

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war  posted on  2011-04-20   20:06:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Capitalist Eric (#52)

Fuck off pussy.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-21   9:20:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: A K A Stone (#53)

Why did firemen say there were bombs in the building. They were doing so to describe a sound not a fact...

No they were talking about sound and the explosions you can see as poofs of smoke below where the building was collapsing.

Not to mention the FIRE MAN (one guy was quoted) EXPLAINED HIS COMMENT, ending this absurd truther theory.

This whole business of the kook 9/11 truthers has been discredited point by point a thousand times...but just like the kooks that insisted we never landed on the moon - until affordable telescopes for your home became available powerful enought to SHOW THE LANDING SITES - they just say 'na na na I can't hear you' like the ridiculous children in adult bodies they are.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-21   9:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Badeye (#55)

Your typical response, when you can't dispute facts.

Oh, BTW, thanks for confirming that you are indeed, utterly feckless.

Thanks for the laughs.

Socialist ass-hats think "There will be no more money when the U.S. dollar has no value, until that time we can keep printing more." And yes, that IS from LF's answer to Ben Bernanke, go65, leading disfunctional and delusional socialist of the forum.

"You want me to kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, I'll kill THE ENEMIES of Jappos, Rebs, or Sioux, or Cheyenne... For 500 bucks a month I'll kill whoever you want. But keep one thing in mind: I'd happily kill you for free." Algren, "The Last Samurai"

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-04-22   15:26:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Capitalist Eric (#57)

Fuck off pussy.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-22   15:34:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Badeye (#56)

Not to mention the FIRE MAN (one guy was quoted) EXPLAINED HIS COMMENT, ending this absurd truther theory.

Source please.

Also I've seen the video. You can clearly see explosions right below the collapse. In series as the explosions went off. The building followed it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-22   15:36:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: A K A Stone (#59)

Not to mention the FIRE MAN (one guy was quoted) EXPLAINED HIS COMMENT, ending this absurd truther theory. Source please.

It was in the two hour program based upon Popular Mechanic's debunking of almost every single claim made in the laughable movie 'Loose Change' which I think is in its 279th 're edited' version in a vain attempt to avoid being pointed to as the moment the 'truthers' jumped the shark.

Same guy being cited here was also quoted in a History Channel program debunking this nonsense.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-22   15:38:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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