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Title: 911 SURVIVOR WON’T BACK DOWN
Source: Before It's News
URL Source: http://beforeitsnews.com/story/531/ ... _SURVIVOR_WON_T_BACK_DOWN.html
Published: Apr 19, 2011
Author: Mark Anderson
Post Date: 2011-04-19 07:39:59 by Bill D Berger
Keywords: None
Views: 46268
Comments: 60

Perhaps the most compelling direct testimony regarding the harrowing events of Sept. 11, 2001 comes from survivor and former Army Spec. April Gallop, who—with her two-month-old child, Elisha, in tow—arrived at the Pentagon just minutes before a powerful explosion rocked the building that Tuesday morning. Ms. Gallop spoke out on her experience at conferences where this AFP writer heard her story—which has never wavered.

Ms. Gallop wants justice. So, in coordination with the Center for 911 Justice, she filed a federal lawsuit and is staying the course, whatever the odds. The defendants are former Vice President Dick Cheney, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and Gen. Richard Myers (USAF, retired), former acting Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman.

Transportation Secretary and eyewitness Norman Mineta testified to the now disbanded 911 Commission that Cheney, on duty during the attacks, urgently spoke of an approaching hostile attack against the Pentagon but, incredibly, ordered a military stand down. Since the World Trade Center in Manhattan had already been hit, Ms. Gallop continues to ask why neither air defenses nor alarm warnings were implemented in and around the Pentagon.


The moment she turned on her work computer on Sept. 11, 2001, a powerful blast knocked her unconscious. Injured, she soon awoke with debris on her, even while reaching around and pulling her child, also injured, who survived, from the debris pile.
  
When Ms. Gallop exited the building through the hole made by the explosion, she saw no sign of plane wreckage. Yet the world is still told 10 years later that American Airlines Flight 77 rammed into history’s most sophisticated command center without any attempted interception and vaporized, which various researchers say is absurd.

Ms. Gallop also maintains that federal officials repeatedly preached to her that a large commercial airliner hit the Pentagon and that she was strongly advised not to state otherwise.

“I could have very early given up,” Ms. Gallop told AFP March 29. “My efforts are much larger than many people think they are.” She now is fighting to obtain subpoena power, with the help of attorney William Veale and support through Centerfor911Justice.org.

Talking with AFP, she asked: “Do we want certain people in a position where they cannot ever be brought to justice?”

Federal District Judge Denny Chin dismissed Ms. Gallop’s lawsuit in a lower court, claiming that the complaint was based on “cynical delusion and fantasy.” But Ms. Gallop won’t buckle. Her appeal, as AFP went to press, was slated to go before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit on April 5 in New Haven, Conn. She is citing a “violation of civil rights, conspiracy and other wrongs,” the complaint states.

“This case . . . is premised on an allegation of broad complicity in the attack on the part of key U.S. government officials,” the complainant said.

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#1. To: Bill D Berger, All (#0)

claiming that the complaint was based on “cynical delusion and fantasy.”

It is delusional and a fantasy. Unless of course you want to believe Paul Begala is a conspirator along with Cheney....

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   8:47:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Badeye (#1)

Ms. Gallop also maintains that federal officials repeatedly preached to her that a large commercial airliner hit the Pentagon and that she was strongly advised not to state otherwise.

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   8:59:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Bill D Berger (#2)

A large commercial airliner DID hit the pentagon on 9/11.

Sheesh. Again, you have to convince the entire world Paul Begala is in on this vast conspiracy in full support of Bush and Cheney.

Good luck with that.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   9:47:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Badeye (#3)

A large commercial airliner DID hit the pentagon on 9/11.

Go back and look at the original footage the government released.

Get you something to measure the length of whatever it was on screen. Compare its length with that of the pentagon. Look up the lenght of the "plane" or whatever it was and the pentagon. They don't add up. I've done it.

You can dismiss it if you want. But you wont know the truth until you measure it yourself. It isn't even close

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   9:51:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#4)

Riiight...and then some group ran around scattering bits of "plane" debris all over the area.

America...My Kind Of Place...

war  posted on  2011-04-19   9:53:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: war (#5)

There is a magazine that the people who work at the pentagon put out. They put out an issue one month after 911. I printed it out years ago. It had some very good information in it. I could never find it again.

Help me out war and find me that magazine. I will then find you the good parts.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   9:55:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone (#6)

Um...okay...in return for...three wishes?

America...My Kind Of Place...

war  posted on  2011-04-19   9:57:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: war (#7)

In return for knowledge.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   9:59:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: war (#7)

Ok you can have 3 wishes. Get busy.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   10:01:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Badeye (#3)

A large commercial airliner DID hit the pentagon on 9/11.

Sure thing sport.

Must be why the Gov't confiscated all the surveillance videos from businesses surrounding the Pentagon within minutes of the attack.

Why won't they release those?

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   10:11:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Bill D Berger (#10)

Why won't they release those?

What have they released?

America...My Kind Of Place...

war  posted on  2011-04-19   10:12:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Bill D Berger (#10)

Again, you have to convince the entire world Paul Begala is in on this vast conspiracy in full support of Bush and Cheney.

Good luck with that.

The above is the reality you need to accept.

Under this delusional fantasy, Paul Begala of all people, has to be a 'conspirator' supporting the Bush/Cheney administration against all.

Get back to me when you can explain Begala witnessing the airliner hitting the pentagon while driving his kids to school....sport...

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   10:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: war (#11)

What have they released?

LOL, half a dozen frames from a Pentagon camera that shows nothing.

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   10:15:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Badeye (#12)

Under this delusional fantasy, Paul Begala of all people, has to be a 'conspirator' supporting the Bush/Cheney administration against all.

Come on Badeye....I thought you were smarter than that.

Do you really think at this level, they are in opposition to one another?

Both sides have a vested interest in keeping the cover-up intact.

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   10:17:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Bill D Berger (#13) (Edited)

LOL, half a dozen frames from a Pentagon camera that shows nothing.

The only aspect of the 9/11 "story" that has bothered me is this...it's known that the pilots only wanted to fly but had 0 interest in landing. It seems to me that a pilot would HAVE to know how to land in this case.

Other than that, I have 0 doubts that a plane hit the Pentagon.

America...My Kind Of Place...

war  posted on  2011-04-19   10:18:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#4)

You can dismiss it if you want. But you wont know the truth until you measure it yourself. It isn't even close

I don't 'dismiss it' Stone...I 'understand it'.

What isn't 'even close' is you require Paul Begala to be part of the vast (thousands) conspiracy, in full support of the Bush/Cheney administration to perpetrate the single most complex 'conspiracy' in world history.

I don't have to do anything here but as you, or BDB a simple question.

How is it Begala decided - under this absurd theory - to lie to the entire world, not to mention his uber leftwingnut cohorts, and agree to help perpetrate this hoax that would have brought the Bush administration crashing down?

He SAW THE PLANE for God's sake. As did dozens, if not HUNDREDS of others driving the freeway right past the pentagon when the plane struck.

Of all the ridiculous conspiracy theories, buld 7, cell phones didn't work on the planes, 5,000 jews didn't show up at WTC on 9/11....this is the goofiest of all.

The others require a low level of intelligence to believe.

This one? It requires one of the most highly partisan hacks in modern political history to cast aside his partisanship, commit a felony or three, and lie FOREVER so as to protect Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld et al.

Come on Stone, apply common sense.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   10:20:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Badeye (#16)

Come on Stone, apply common sense.

I don't think that it had to require thousands of accomplices.

Why was Andrews Airforce base website changed 9-12-2001 to erase their mission statement to protect DC?

Why was Andrews Air force Base Jets out over the atlantic ocean training on 911?

Why did the alleged hijackers feel free to take a joy ride across Ohio before turning the plane around for the attack?

Why did no fighter jets shadow the planes as FAA regulations require?

Why did firemen say there were bombs in the building.

Do me one favor. Look at the footage and take some measurements with a piece of tape or something. Then scale it and compare it to the size of the pentagon. It doesn't add up.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   10:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Bill D Berger (#14)

Under this delusional fantasy, Paul Begala of all people, has to be a 'conspirator' supporting the Bush/Cheney administration against all. Come on Badeye....I thought you were smarter than that.

Do you really think at this level, they are in opposition to one another?

Okay, great.

You now have two theories you are required to 'prove'.

1. That Begala has been lying for a decade to everyone from his own children that were in the car, his wife, the entire Democratic Party which he values above his own country.

2. That he is in fact a 'key conspirator' in full support of the Bush/Cheney administration.

And then you have to convince the hundreds that saw the plane flying at 100 feet above the expressway adjacent to the Pentagon that they suffered a mass hullucination at exactly the same moment, while driving at 60 - 70 miles per hour in rush hour traffick.

Get back to me when you can do this. Seriously. I accept the findings of the 9/11 Commission on this. You claim its bullshit. Okay, fine. Debunk the above.

Good luck, its only been a decade....

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   10:28:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: war, Badeye, AKA Stone (#15)

The only aspect of the 9/11 "story" that has bothered me is this...it's known that the pilots only wanted to fly but had 0 interest in landing. It seems to me that a pilot would HAVE to know how to land in this case.

Hani Hanjour: 9/11 Pilot Extraordinaire

From the ridiculous to the sublime...

Federal Aviation Administration records show [Hanjour] obtained a commercial pilot's license in April 1999, but how and where he did so remains a lingering question that FAA officials refuse to discuss. His limited flying abilities do afford an insight into one feature of the attacks: The conspiracy apparently did not include a surplus of skilled pilots. [Cape Cod Times]

[Flight Academy] Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot. "I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all." [New York Times]

Hani Hanjour as a Cessna 172 pilot


Cockpit of a Cessna 172

At Freeway Airport in Bowie, Md., 20 miles west of Washington, flight instructor Sheri Baxter instantly recognized the name of alleged hijacker Hani Hanjour when the FBI released a list of 19 suspects in the four hijackings. Hanjour, the only suspect on Flight 77 the FBI listed as a pilot, had come to the airport one month earlier seeking to rent a small plane.

However, when Baxter and fellow instructor Ben Conner took the slender, soft-spoken Hanjour on three test runs during the second week of August, they found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172. Even though Hanjour showed a federal pilot's license and a log book cataloging 600 hours of flying experience, chief flight instructor Marcel Bernard declined to rent him a plane without more lessons.

In the spring of 2000, Hanjour had asked to enroll in the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Ariz., for advanced training, said the center's attorney, Gerald Chilton Jr. Hanjour had attended the school for three months in late 1996 and again in December 1997 but never finished coursework for a license to fly a single-engine aircraft, Chilton said.

When Hanjour reapplied to the center last year, "We declined to provide training to him because we didn't think he was a good enough student when he was there in 1996 and 1997" Chilton said. [Newsday]Hani Hanjour as a Boeing 757 pilot


Cockpit of a Boeing 757

At a speed of about 500 miles an hour, the plane was headed straight for what is known as P-56, protected air space 56, which covers the White House and the Capitol.

"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane," says O'Brien. "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe." [NATCA]

But just as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot [Hanjour] executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver. The plane circled 270 degrees to the right to approach the Pentagon from the west, whereupon Flight 77 fell below radar level, vanishing from controllers' screens, the sources said.

Less than an hour after two other jets demolished the World Trade Center in Manhattan, Flight 77 carved a hole in the nation's defense headquarters, a hole five stories high and 200 feet wide.

Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm, possibly one of the hijackers. Someone even knew how to turn off the transponder, a move that is considerably less than obvious. [Washington Post]


"For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible – there is not one chance in a thousand," said [ex-commercial pilot Russ] Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727’s to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737’s through 767’s it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying. [LewisNews]

Is it pure coincidence that the above mentioned "fighter jet maneuver" steered Flight 77 into a barely habited newly reinforced section of the Pentagon? Why didn't the USAF intervene in the aerial acrobatics of Flight 77?


On 27 November 2009 PilotsFor911Truth.org published a simple fact about the flight of Flight 77 which makes a conventional hijacking scenario impossible - according to Flight Data provided by the NTSB the Flight Deck Door was never opened in flight. The status of the door was polled every 5 seconds from 12:18:05 GMT to 13:37:09 GMT, and each poll logged the door as closed (a CSV file of the log can be downloaded here).

No-one entered the cockpit of the plane during the flight, therefore it was not flown into the Pentagon by an Arab hijacker.

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   10:28:58 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Badeye (#18)

I accept the findings of the 9/11 Commission


9/11 Commissioner slips up, says missile hit... by Illuminaught

Didn't Rumsfeld says the same thing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   10:30:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Badeye (#18)

I accept the findings of the 9/11 Commission on this

Laughs, that doesn't surprise me at all.

The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies

(CINCINNATI, Ohio) – In John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/1183;, the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version… is almost entirely untrue…

The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.

Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities’ School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report.

Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.

Farmer states…“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened… I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”

The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say… “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . ” When Bush’s own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done?

9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, “No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again.”

With the only “official” 9/11 report now totally false, where do we go from here? Who is hurt by these lies? The families of the victims of 9/11 have fought, for years, to get to the truth. For years, our government has hidden behind lies and secrecy to deny them closure.

What does Farmer’s book tell us? Farmer offers no solutions, only a total and full rejection of what was told and his own his own ideas concerning the total failure of honesty on the part of the government, a government with something to hide.

Farmer never tells us what. Nobody could keep a job in the public sector speaking out more than Farmer has. What were Farmer’s omissions? There are some. Now that we know that intelligence given the 9/11 Commission wasn’t just lies from our own government but based on testimony coerced through torture from informants forced to back up a cover story now proven false, a pattern emerges.

We know that, immediately after 9/11, many more potential suspects and informants were flown directly to Saudi Arabia by Presidential order than were ever detained and questioned. We will never know what they could have said. Their testimony would have been vital to any real investigation were they not put beyond the reach of even Congress and the FBI.

Putting aside all other questions of recent evidence of CIA involvement with bin Laden prior to 9/11 or altered physical evidence involving the Pentagon attack, any failure to call to account the systematic perjury committed by dozens of top government officials, now exposed as a certainty is an offense to every American.

What do we know? We know the conjecture about 9/11 still stands but for certain, we know we were lied to, not in a minor way, but systematically as part of a plot covering up government involvement at nearly every level, perhaps gross negligence, perhaps something with darker intent.

Are we willing to live with another lie to go with the Warren Report, Iran Contra and so many others? Has the sacrifice of thousands more Americans, killed, wounded or irreparably damaged by a war knowingly built on the same lies from the same liars who misled the 9/11 Commission pushed us beyond willingness to confront the truth?

Have we yet found where the lies have begun and ended? There is no evidence of this, only evidence to the contrary. The lies live on and the truth will never be sought. The courage for that task has not been found.

Can anyone call themselves an American if they don’t demand, even with the last drop of their blood, that the truth be found?

How long have we watered the Tree of Deceit with the blood of patriots?

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   10:32:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#17)

Stick to what I noted.

Forget all the other 'bullshit' (my opinion after looking at and reading everything on the topic over the last decade).

Explain how it is Paul Begala, partisan hack extrodinair, lied literally within ten minutes of the plane hitting...to his own wife, then on the air that day, and every time its come up since then.

Explain how it is Paul Begala, OF ALL PEOPLE, has agreed to keep the Bush administration from harm.

Good Lord, Stone...I don't believe Begala would have done this for CLINTON, let alone a Republican he's attacked in the most vicious ways possible from 1999 til...well, probably this morning.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   10:33:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Badeye, AKA Stone (#22)

Explain how it is Paul Begala, partisan hack extrodinair, lied literally within ten minutes of the plane hitting...to his own wife, then on the air that day, and every time its come up since then.

Explain how it is Paul Begala, OF ALL PEOPLE, has agreed to keep the Bush administration from harm.

Rules of Disinformation

4. Use a straw man.

Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make  yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges.  Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   10:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Bill D Berger (#21)

Okay, great.

You now have two theories you are required to 'prove'.

1. That Begala has been lying for a decade to everyone from his own children that were in the car, his wife, the entire Democratic Party which he values above his own country.

2. That he is in fact a 'key conspirator' in full support of the Bush/Cheney administration.

And then you have to convince the hundreds that saw the plane flying at 100 feet above the expressway adjacent to the Pentagon that they suffered a mass hullucination at exactly the same moment, while driving at 60 - 70 miles per hour in rush hour traffick.

Get back to me when you can do this. Seriously. I accept the findings of the 9/11 Commission on this. You claim its bullshit. Okay, fine. Debunk the above.

Good luck, its only been a decade....

I"m not interested in spinning away from the above, BDB.

Explain what I've asked you to here.

If you can.

If you can't...don't waste any more time pinging me.

This is a great example of the 9/11 conspiracy theory types. You put them in a corner as I've done here, and they try to spin away on other aspects to cloud the issue. Stone's doing the same thing.

Explain how Paul Begala became a CONSPIRATOR in support of this 'hoax' perpetrated by George W Bush and Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld...along with a cast that is required to number in the hundreds, if not thousands.

If you don't want to address it, thats fine. But don't ping me to anything related to 9/11 til you do. I've beeter things to do.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   10:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Bill D Berger (#23)

Rules of Disinformation

The irony here is hilarious.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   10:38:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Badeye (#22)

Explain how it is Paul Begala, partisan hack extrodinair, lied literally within ten minutes of the plane hitting...to his own wife, then on the air that day, and every time its come up since then.

Explain how it is Paul Begala, OF ALL PEOPLE, has agreed to keep the Bush administration from harm.

The Fly on the Wall and the 9-11 Commission Cover Up

The Plan to Hide the Truth About 9-11 Begins

Even though it was the middle of the holiday season of 2003, the attendees all arrived at the scheduled meeting on time, if not a bit early.

Paul Begala arrived first as planned and worked with the Secret Service to insure that the meeting room had no bugs or recording devices. Jamie Gorelick arrived next, nodded hello to Paul, went to the sideboard and rounded up a bottle of spring water and a donut as provided. She noticed a fly indulging in one of the donuts and shooed the beast off in disgust.

"Imagine flies this time of year," Gorelick said to Paul then assumed a seat at the conference table.

Sandy Berger, Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton arrived together. Greetings were exchanged, coffee or water obtained, the fly again was shooed off a donut.

Richard Ben-Veniste came breathlessly into the room five minutes later, threw his briefcase into a chair, picked up a bottle of water from the sideboard and again shooed the pesky fly off of the donut.

"How in the hell are flies still around at Christmas?" Ben-Veniste asked distractedly.

Begala cleared his throat once all attendees were settled.
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"We've checked the room. There are no bugs. Everything is safe," Begala explained. The fly landed on Hillary's donut.

"I want whoever prepared the refreshments fired," Hillary said acidly. "There's no excuse for this fly in the room at this time of year."

Begala cleared his throat again after scribbling a note to himself to fire the refreshment staff as Hillary commanded.

"Okay, we're here to finalize The Plan," Begala said, using his index and middle finger of each hand to create imaginary quotes in the air as he said the words "The Plan" solemnly.

"I still think you're biting off too much here," Bill Clinton began. "I think we should stick to," here Bill stopped and looked to the ceiling for the delicate phrasing required. "I think we should stick to cleaning up any aspersions that would be cast on the Democrat administration over the 9-11 attacks and leave the Republicans alone."

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   10:42:40 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Badeye (#24)

You put them in a corner as I've done here,

Too funny.

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   10:44:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Bill D Berger (#26)

Explain how it is Paul Begala, partisan hack extrodinair, lied literally within ten minutes of the plane hitting...to his own wife, then on the air that day, and every time its come up since then. Explain how it is Paul Begala, OF ALL PEOPLE, has agreed to keep the Bush administration from harm.

Still can't do this, as I expected.

Thats enough. You don't have to ping me any more to this thread.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   10:45:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Badeye, Bill D Berger (#28)

Then there's the guys at the Citgo station too.

The whole idea of a 757 being flown as a diversion for a missile is insane.

Give that planes had already crashed into the WTC, why would a missile attack be hard to believe?

Occam's Razor.

America...My Kind Of Place...

war  posted on  2011-04-19   10:52:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Badeye (#28)

Thats enough. You don't have to ping me any more to this thread.

Typical, just as I remembered you.

Get your ass handed to you, then run away and claim victory.

Some things never change.

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   10:53:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Bill D Berger (#0)

Yes. Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld did it. There's even an official transcript

--

BUSH: So, what's the plan again?

CHENEY: Well, we need to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. So what we've decided to do is crash a whole bunch of remote-controlled planes into Wall Street and the Pentagon, say they're real hijacked commercial planes, and blame it on the towelheads; then we'll just blow up the buildings ourselves to make sure they actually fall down.

RUMSFELD: Right! And we'll make sure that some of the hijackers are agents of Saddam Hussein! That way we'll have no problem getting the public to buy the invasion.

CHENEY: No, Don, we won't.

RUMSFELD: We won't?

CHENEY: No, that's too obvious. We'll make the hijackers Al Qaeda and then just imply a connection to Iraq.

RUMSFELD: But if we're just making up the whole thing, why not just put Saddam's fingerprints on the attack?

CHENEY: (sighing) It just has to be this way, Dick. Ups the ante, as it were. This way, we're not insulated if things go wrong in Iraq. Gives us incentive to get the invasion right the first time around.

BUSH: I'm a total idiot who can barely read, so I'll buy that. But I've got a question. Why do we need to crash planes into the Towers at all? Since everyone knows terrorists already tried to blow up that building complex from the ground up once, why don't we just blow it up like we plan to anyway, and blame the bombs on the terrorists?

RUMSFELD: Mr. President, you don't understand. It's much better to sneak into the buildings ourselves in the days before the attacks, plant the bombs and then make it look like it was exploding planes that brought the buildings down. That way, we involve more people in the plot, stand a much greater chance of being exposed and needlessly complicate everything!

CHENEY: Of course, just toppling the Twin Towers will never be enough. No one would give us the war mandate we need if we just blow up the Towers. Clearly, we also need to shoot a missile at a small corner of the Pentagon to create a mightily underpublicized additional symbol of international terrorism -- and then, obviously, we need to fake a plane crash in the middle of fucking nowhere in rural Pennsylvania.

RUMSFELD: Yeah, it goes without saying that the level of public outrage will not be sufficient without that crash in the middle of fucking nowhere.

CHENEY: And the Pentagon crash -- we'll have to do it in broad daylight and say it was a plane, even though it'll really be a cruise missile.

BUSH: Wait, why do we have to use a missile?

CHENEY: Because it's much easier to shoot a missile and say it was a plane. It's not easy to steer a real passenger plane into the Pentagon. Planes are hard to come by.

BUSH: But aren't we using two planes for the Twin Towers?

CHENEY: Mr. President, you're missing the point. With the Pentagon, we use a missile, and say it was a plane.

BUSH: Right, but I'm saying, why don't we just use a plane and say it was a plane? We'll be doing that with the Twin Towers, right?

CHENEY: Right, but in this case, we use a missile. (Throws hands up in frustration) Don, can you help me out here?

RUMSFELD: Mr. President, in Washington, we use a missile because it's sneakier that way. Using an actual plane would be too obvious, even though we'll be doing just that in New York.

BUSH: Oh, OK.

RUMSFELD: The other good thing about saying that it was a passenger jet is that that way, we have to invent a few hundred fictional victims and account for a nonexistent missing crew and plane. It's always better when you leave more cover story to invent, more legwork to do and more possible holes to investigate. Doubt, legwork and possible exposure -- you can't pull off any good conspiracy without them.

BUSH: You guys are brilliant! Because if there's one thing about Americans -- they won't let a president go to war without a damn good reason. How could we ever get the media, the corporate world and our military to endorse an invasion of a secular Iraqi state unless we faked an attack against New York at the hands of a bunch of Saudi religious radicals? Why, they'd never buy it. Look at how hard it was to get us into Vietnam, Iraq the last time, Kosovo?

CHENEY: Like pulling teeth!

RUMSFELD: Well, I'm sold on the idea. Let's call the Joint Chiefs, the FAA, the New York and Washington, D.C., fire departments, Rudy Giuliani, all three networks, the families of a thousand fictional airline victims, MI5, the FBI, FEMA, the NYPD, Larry Eagleburger, Osama bin Laden, Noam Chomsky and the fifty thousand other people we'll need to pull this off. There isn't a moment to lose!

BUSH: Don't forget to call all of those Wall Street hotshots who donated $100 million to our last campaign. They'll be thrilled to know that we'll be targeting them for execution as part of our thousand-tentacled modern-day bonehead Reichstag scheme! After all, if we're going to make martyrs -- why not make them out of our campaign paymasters? Shit, didn't the Merrill Lynch guys say they needed a refurbishing in their New York offices?

RUMSFELD: Oh, they'll get a refurbishing, all right. Just in time for the "Big Wedding"!

ALL THREE: (cackling) Mwah-hah-hah!

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-04-19   10:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: no gnu taxes (#31)

CHENEY: Well, we need to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. So what we've decided to do is crash a whole bunch of remote-controlled planes into Wall Street and the Pentagon, say they're real hijacked commercial planes, and blame it on the towelheads; then we'll just blow up the buildings ourselves to make sure they actually fall down.

RUMSFELD: Right! And we'll make sure that some of the hijackers are agents of Saddam Hussein! That way we'll have no problem getting the public to buy the invasion.

Pretty close to how it actually went down.

PNAC behind 9/11?

"The Project for the New American Century is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle; and that too few political leaders today are making the case for global leadership."



Removing Saddam and protecting Israel and Mid-East oil...

"It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, the safety...of our friends and allies like Israel ...and a significant portion of the world’s supply of oil will all be put at hazard.
In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power." - Jan. 1998



Increasing U.S. military budget by way of a "new Pearl Harbor"...

"To preserve American military preeminence in the coming decades, the [DoD] must move more aggressively to experiment with new technologies and operational concepts, and seek to exploit the emerging revolution in military affairs.
...the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor." - Sept. 2000



PNAC who's who:

Elliott Abrams, Gary Bauer, William J. Bennett, Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Eliot A. Cohen, Midge Decter, Paula Dobriansky, Steve Forbes, Aaron Friedberg, Francis Fukuyama, Frank Gaffney, Fred C. Ikle, Donald Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad, I. Lewis Libby, Norman Podhoretz, Dan Quayle, Peter W. Rodman, Stephen P. Rosen, Henry S. Rowen, Donald Rumsfeld, Vin Weber, George Weigel, Paul Wolfowitz - PNAC Statement of Principles

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   11:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Badeye (#22)

Explain how it is Paul Begala, partisan hack extrodinair, lied literally within ten minutes of the plane hitting...to his own wife, then on the air that day, and every time its come up since then.

I've never seen that. But I believe you.

Maybe he is just lying about it because that is what he does. He wanted to seem important.

Studying Begala isn't a scientific approach.

Measuring the size of the "jet" and the size of the pentagon is scientific.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   11:30:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone, Badeye (#33)

Maybe he is just lying about it because that is what he does. He wanted to seem important.

Badeye doesn't seem to get the fact that Begala is a chronic and pathological liar, but for some odd reason Badeye believes he is telling the truth in this case.

Well, it's about what I expected from someone who believes the "official" 9/11 commission report.

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   11:34:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Bill D Berger (#30)

Again, another spin away from what I asked of you.

Typical of the 9/11 truthers, BDB. As such, there is no reason to continue this. We both know where it ends up.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   11:40:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#33)

I've never seen that. But I believe you.

Maybe he is just lying about it because that is what he does. He wanted to seem important.

Studying Begala isn't a scientific approach.

The plane filled his windshield up it was so close, Stone.

And eye witness testimony like his simply can't be debunked, given the public nature of this extrodinary event.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   11:42:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Bill D Berger (#34) (Edited)

Badeye doesn't seem to get the fact that Begala is a chronic and pathological liar, but for some odd reason Badeye believes he is telling the truth in this case.

And Paul Begala has been playing that role for years around issues and various events in which those on left might need a special push to believe. They see that jackal as one of their own.

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Rek  posted on  2011-04-19   11:43:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Badeye (#35)

As such, there is no reason to continue this.

Of course not.

We both know where it ends up.

Yes, with you running away.

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”---Claire Wolfe

Bill D Berger  posted on  2011-04-19   11:43:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Bill D Berger (#34)

Badeye doesn't seem to get the fact that Begala is a chronic and pathological liar, but for some odd reason Badeye believes he is telling the truth in this case.

Well, it's about what I expected from someone who believes the "official" 9/11 commission report.

Actually, thats the point, BDB.

Yep, Begala has issues with the truth...when the topic is politics. No disputing it. What also cannot be disputed is the wildly one sided nature of those lies, which stretch back to his days on Tip O'Neils staff.

What you suggest here is Begala did something he's NEVER done in his life.

'Lie' so as to benefit the GOP, and a Republican Administration he to this day has a burning hatred of.

Sorry, that dog won't hunt.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   11:45:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Badeye (#36)

I respect your position. I don't have all the answers. But I don't believe the governments position. I think there were elements of the government involved.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   11:45:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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