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Title: Brewer vetoes presidential 'birther' bill
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URL Source: http://www.azcentral.com/news/elect ... -birther-bill-brewer-veto.html
Published: Apr 18, 2011
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2011-04-18 22:59:33 by Skip Intro
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Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Monday vetoed a bill to require President Barack Obama and other presidential candidates to prove their U.S. citizenship before their names can appear on the state's ballot.

The bill vetoed by Brewer on Monday would have made Arizona the first state to pass such a requirement. The Arizona bill included proof-of-qualification for all candidates appearing on Arizona ballots, with those varying by the office sought.

Hawaii officials have certified Obama was born in that state, but so-called "birthers" have demanded more proof.

Brewer said in her veto letter that she was troubled that the bill empowered Arizona's secretary of state to judge the qualifications of all candidates when they file to run for office.

"I do not support designating one person as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically motivated decisions," said Brewer, who was secretary of state until she became governor in 2009.

"In addition, I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on Earth to submit their early baptismal circumcision certificates' among other records to the Arizona secretary of state," she said. "This is a bridge too far."

The certificates are among the documents a candidate could submit in place of a birth certificate.

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#3. To: Skip Intro (#0)

Heads must be exploding over at the cuckoo's nest.

Bartcoprules  posted on  2011-04-19   8:30:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Bartcoprules (#3)

Can you imagine if all 50 states required that the same long form BC HAD to be on file?

America...My Kind Of Place...

war  posted on  2011-04-19   8:44:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: war (#4)

That the Constitution was being enforced by more than lip service?

To: war, "In light of the empirically derived observation, how are you not like your supposed rival yu-kloughn?"

Rudgear  posted on  2011-04-19   8:46:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Rudgear (#5)

That the Constitution was being enforced by more than lip service?

Cite the clause to which you are referring.

Thanks...

America...My Kind Of Place...

war  posted on  2011-04-19   8:53:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: war (#6)

Article II Section I, U.S. Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

You can find it yourself. Last time I'll do your homework.

To: war, "In light of the empirically derived observation, how are you not like your supposed rival yu-kloughn?"

Rudgear  posted on  2011-04-19   9:00:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Rudgear (#7)

Let's look at Arizona's law for a candidate wanting ballot access:

16-301. Nomination of candidates for printing on official ballot of general or special election

At a primary election, each political party entitled and intending to make nominations for the ensuing general or special election shall, if it desires to have the names of its candidates printed on the official ballot at such general or special election, nominate its candidates for all elective, senatorial, congressional, state, judicial, county and precinct offices to be filled at such election except as provided in section 16-344.

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Arizona doesn't nominate and thus qualify the candidates, the political party does.

Further complicating it is the fact that in some states' primaries, you vote for a slate of delagates, rather than the candidate.

Then, there is the general election. Again, the political parties nominate the candidate but the vote isn't for that candidate but for electors who would, presumably, vote for that candidate.

So, while the USCON states that only a natural born citizen may be POTUS, given how there is no dirct election of POTUS, .it is strangely silent as to how that provision would be enforced.

America...My Kind Of Place...

war  posted on  2011-04-19   9:09:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: war (#2)

Why would he be disqualified?

Really war?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   9:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#9)

Yes, I am really war.

America...My Kind Of Place...

war  posted on  2011-04-19   9:40:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: war (#8)

I wold imagine you enforce it by having prospective candidates for the office provide the paperwork needed to prove compliance with Article II Section I. If they cannot or will not do so, they should be disqualified. And rightly so.

To: war, "In light of the empirically derived observation, how are you not like your supposed rival yu-kloughn?"

Rudgear  posted on  2011-04-19   9:41:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Rudgear (#11)

Bingo.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   9:47:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Skip Intro, all (#0)

"I do not support designating one person as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically motivated decisions," said Brewer, who was secretary of state until she became governor in 2009.

Brewer is 100% on the money here.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   9:49:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Rudgear (#11)

I wold imagine you enforce it by having prospective candidates for the office provide the paperwork needed to prove compliance with Article II Section I. If they cannot or will not do so, they should be disqualified. And rightly so.

The "prospective candidates for the office", in this case the POTUS, aren't the people who are actually being elected.

Delegates are being selected in one case and electors in the other.

The President is, by law, nominated by his party and elected by elected electors the ballots of whom are tabulated and validated by the US Congress.

In essence, you're demanding that the States qualifiy someone who isn't really "running".

IN my mind, the only body which has legal standing to question the qualifications for POTUS is the electoral body that actually validates the election: The US Congress.

America...My Kind Of Place...

war  posted on  2011-04-19   9:52:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: war (#14)

Oh spinner. You're stuck in the mud.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   9:52:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#15)

I'm stuck in this chair...thus you're stuck with me..when I have the time...

America...My Kind Of Place...

war  posted on  2011-04-19   9:55:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: war, badeye (#16)

You and badeye have already agreed on two different issues today. Is it a sign?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   9:57:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#17)

If you see any frogs, I'd be scared...

America...My Kind Of Place...

war  posted on  2011-04-19   10:11:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#17)

I'll have to take your word on that, Stone. You know I filter him.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   10:22:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Badeye (#19)

You two agree on 911 and Brewer and the bill she vetoed.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   10:26:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)

You two agree on 911 and Brewer and the bill she vetoed.

Meanwhile, I think Brewer has a great point as to why she veto'd this.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   10:39:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: war (#2)

Why would he be disqualified?

He is guilty of multiple felonies,including running for public office under an alias. The last LEGAL name we know of for him is Barry Soetoro and there is no record at all of him legally changing his name back to Barack Obama.

And this ain't even touching on his travels to Pakistan using a Indonesian passport as an adult,or having multiple SS numbers. Not that any of this matters to the Chocolate Mafia or the kneejerk left. All they care about is his off-white skin color.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-04-19   11:14:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: war (#4)

Can you imagine if all 50 states required that the same long form BC HAD to be on file?

Easily. This is already the case. I have a certified copy of MINE,and had no trouble whatsoever getting it. Had to have it to get a security clearance. Something Barry Soetoro had no trouble obtaining even though he can't seem to locate his.

BTW,the Dim braintrust was just on The View claiming there was no such thing as a long form birth certificate in Hawaii,and making fun of people for thinking there is. Whoopie Goldberg,a rocket scientist if I ever saw one,even said about people who think there is one on file (presumably including the Hawaiian officials who claim to have seen his),"This is what happens when you don't graduate from high school." Joy Behar nodded wisely.

You must be soooo proud to have these people speak for you!

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-04-19   11:19:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Rudgear (#11)

I wold imagine you enforce it by having prospective candidates for the office provide the paperwork needed to prove compliance with Article II Section I.

The Party Leadership are required to sign off on this. In this case both Pelosi and Harry Reed signed statements affirming he was legally qualified to hold the office of President.

This whole argument is like a dog chasing his tail. The professional criminal class we call politicians are going to circle their wagons on this or any other charge in order to show solidarity and professional courtesy. They HAVE to because they rely on a system of mutual assured destruction over each other,and there is no way either side of the ruling party is about to have the party questioned or the party leadership brought up on charges. Bill Clinton proved this when he was impeached and the US Senate refused to even look at the evidence they were OBLIGATED to review,and let him off the hook despite having proof of abuse of office,forcible rape,intimidation,perjury,etc,etc,etc.

No US president is going to be removed from office,and Pelosi,Reed,and others are NOT going to be charged with or tried for fraud. Period. It ain't going to happen.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-04-19   11:26:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Badeye (#13) (Edited)

"I do not support designating one person as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically motivated decisions," said Brewer, who was secretary of state until she became governor in 2009.

Brewer is 100% on the money here.

No,she is 100% wrong. A states AG is the gatekeeper on all sorts of things,and any and all of their decisions can be reviewed and repealed if necessary.

What she is REALLY against is one person being in a public position of responsibility that can be blamed for anything done wrong. She is a professional politician and loves the present system where nobody is at fault for anything because nobody can ever find out who made any of the decisions. "It's not MY fault! Some committee decided all that!" is their battle cry.

This is the same reason Congress allows career bureaucrats to write the laws the congressmen are elected to write,and allows presidents to send people to war without congress having to vote for a war. "It's not MY fault!"

BTW,in case it escaped your attention,if Brewer's AG made the decision and it was proven to be the wrong decision,this would reflect right back onto Brewer,the AG's boss. This should be all the proof you need to understand her motives.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-04-19   11:32:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: sneakypete (#25)

No,she is 100% wrong. A states AG is the gatekeeper on all sorts of things,and any and all of their decisions can be reviewed and repealed if necessary.

A very nice theory that we've seen debunked as wishful thinking in multiple election cycles since 2000.

I hear you knockin...go back where you been....

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   11:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sneakypete (#1)

The Dims are circling their wagons to make sure "The Chocolate Messiah" isn't disqualified from running in 2012.

Brewer is a Republican, just like Lingle in Hawaii.

Next theory?

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-04-19   12:22:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Rudgear (#7)

Article II Section I, U.S. Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Where's the part about a birth certificate?

"http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi"

Rek  posted on  2011-04-19   12:24:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Bartcoprules, sneakypete (#3)

Heads must be exploding over at the cuckoo's nest.

Nah, they'll just go the sneakypete route: IT'S ALL A HUGE CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-04-19   12:24:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Rek (#28)

Where's the part about a birth certificate?

That would be the proof, it would certify it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   12:25:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A K A Stone (#30) (Edited)

That would be the proof, it would certify it.

The founders wanted everyone to carry legal papers, documenting their right to exist, around? I thought that was the tyranny they came to America to escape.

"http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi"

Rek  posted on  2011-04-19   12:29:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Skip Intro (#27)

The Dims are circling their wagons to make sure "The Chocolate Messiah" isn't disqualified from running in 2012.

Brewer is a Republican,

Yeah,and so is John McLunatic,Boy Jorge,Lady Lindsey Graham,etc,etc,etc.

Hell,Fat Teddy Kennedy would be considered to be a conservative Republican today.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-04-19   12:44:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Rek (#31)

The founders wanted everyone to carry legal papers, documenting their right to exist, around?

Uhhhh,since when is "everyone" the president of the United States,and since when is being the president the same as merely existing?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-04-19   12:45:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Skip Intro (#29)

Nah, they'll just go the sneakypete route: IT'S ALL A HUGE CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!

Saying something is a conspiracy is just another way of saying something was planned.

Of course,you are a Dim,and that concept is far too complex for you to understand.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-04-19   12:47:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: sneakypete (#22)

He is guilty of multiple felonies,including running for public office under an alias.

You're out of your mind. There is no record in US court of any jurisdiction within the US recognizing the adoption of Barack Obama.

And this ain't even touching on his travels to Pakistan using a [sic] Indonesian passport as an adult,or having multiple SS numbers. Not that any of this matters to the Chocolate Mafia or the kneejerk left. All they care about is his off-white skin color.

It would have been impossible for him to have traveled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport. UNless you somehow believe that a 21 year old man can travel with a 10+ year old passport.

The SS# bullshit is equally laughable. Is Obama the only Barack Obama in the US? How were the SS#'s obtained and if they were somehow truly comprmoised then OF COURSE a new # would be issued.

America...My Kind Of Place...

war  posted on  2011-04-19   12:47:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: sneakypete (#33) (Edited)

Uhhhh,since when is "everyone" the president of the United States,and since when is being the president the same as merely existing?

Okay, you tell us whose going to be pres in thirty years so we can get the paper work you require all lined up and ready for your inspection, in case you are still alive.

Since most here have the potential they need to start getting their files together as soon as they are born.

"http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi"

Rek  posted on  2011-04-19   12:50:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Rek (#31)

No need to carry your birth certificate around. But you can keep it at home and if you run for president you can bring a copy. Or if you happen to have lost it. The original would be at the hospital you were born at or someplace else.

Do you not agree that a person has to be a natural born citizen to be President lawfully?

If you think that you should have to be natural born citizen. How would you enforce that requirement?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   12:59:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#37)

If you think that you should have to be natural born citizen. How would you enforce that requirement?

Break down doors and demand the paperwork.

"http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi"

Rek  posted on  2011-04-19   13:04:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: sneakypete (#24)

No US president is going to be removed from office,and Pelosi,Reed,and others are NOT going to be charged with or tried for fraud. Period. It ain't going to happen.

I never said there would be repercussions or anyone courageous enough to stand for the rule of law.

I don't have any faith in the system as it now stands and those people in office are there because they corrupt and recognize it as the ultimate get rich quick scheme.

They didn't go to Washington to drain the swamp. They are of the swamp and revel in it.

To: war, "In light of the empirically derived observation, how are you not like your supposed rival yu-kloughn?"

Rudgear  posted on  2011-04-19   13:06:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#37)

But you can keep it at home...

In Obama's case...which home?

America...My Kind Of Place...

war  posted on  2011-04-19   13:06:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#37)

Do you not agree that a person has to be a natural born citizen to be President lawfully?

Since the definition of natural born seems to be lacking codification or even common agreement do you believe those born in territories are natural born citizens?

"http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi"

Rek  posted on  2011-04-19   13:07:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Rek (#31)

The founders wanted everyone to carry legal papers, documenting their right to exist, around?

Or lock it up in a safe or other secure area. You do know birth certificates are standard fare in Western countries as proof of citizenship?

To: war, "In light of the empirically derived observation, how are you not like your supposed rival yu-kloughn?"

Rudgear  posted on  2011-04-19   13:08:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Rudgear (#39)

I never said there would be repercussions or anyone courageous enough to stand for the rule of law.

The remedy is already in place. Just vote them out.

"http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi"

Rek  posted on  2011-04-19   13:09:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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