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Title: Brewer vetoes presidential 'birther' bill
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URL Source: http://www.azcentral.com/news/elect ... -birther-bill-brewer-veto.html
Published: Apr 18, 2011
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2011-04-18 22:59:33 by Skip Intro
Keywords: None
Views: 47837
Comments: 104

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Monday vetoed a bill to require President Barack Obama and other presidential candidates to prove their U.S. citizenship before their names can appear on the state's ballot.

The bill vetoed by Brewer on Monday would have made Arizona the first state to pass such a requirement. The Arizona bill included proof-of-qualification for all candidates appearing on Arizona ballots, with those varying by the office sought.

Hawaii officials have certified Obama was born in that state, but so-called "birthers" have demanded more proof.

Brewer said in her veto letter that she was troubled that the bill empowered Arizona's secretary of state to judge the qualifications of all candidates when they file to run for office.

"I do not support designating one person as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically motivated decisions," said Brewer, who was secretary of state until she became governor in 2009.

"In addition, I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on Earth to submit their early baptismal circumcision certificates' among other records to the Arizona secretary of state," she said. "This is a bridge too far."

The certificates are among the documents a candidate could submit in place of a birth certificate.

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#3. To: Skip Intro (#0)

Heads must be exploding over at the cuckoo's nest.

Bartcoprules  posted on  2011-04-19   8:30:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Bartcoprules (#3)

Can you imagine if all 50 states required that the same long form BC HAD to be on file?

war  posted on  2011-04-19   8:44:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: war (#4)

That the Constitution was being enforced by more than lip service?

Rudgear  posted on  2011-04-19   8:46:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Rudgear (#5)

That the Constitution was being enforced by more than lip service?

Cite the clause to which you are referring.

Thanks...

war  posted on  2011-04-19   8:53:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: war (#6)

Article II Section I, U.S. Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

You can find it yourself. Last time I'll do your homework.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-04-19   9:00:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Rudgear (#7)

Let's look at Arizona's law for a candidate wanting ballot access:

16-301. Nomination of candidates for printing on official ballot of general or special election

At a primary election, each political party entitled and intending to make nominations for the ensuing general or special election shall, if it desires to have the names of its candidates printed on the official ballot at such general or special election, nominate its candidates for all elective, senatorial, congressional, state, judicial, county and precinct offices to be filled at such election except as provided in section 16-344.

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Arizona doesn't nominate and thus qualify the candidates, the political party does.

Further complicating it is the fact that in some states' primaries, you vote for a slate of delagates, rather than the candidate.

Then, there is the general election. Again, the political parties nominate the candidate but the vote isn't for that candidate but for electors who would, presumably, vote for that candidate.

So, while the USCON states that only a natural born citizen may be POTUS, given how there is no dirct election of POTUS, .it is strangely silent as to how that provision would be enforced.

war  posted on  2011-04-19   9:09:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: war (#8)

I wold imagine you enforce it by having prospective candidates for the office provide the paperwork needed to prove compliance with Article II Section I. If they cannot or will not do so, they should be disqualified. And rightly so.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-04-19   9:41:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Rudgear (#11)

I wold imagine you enforce it by having prospective candidates for the office provide the paperwork needed to prove compliance with Article II Section I. If they cannot or will not do so, they should be disqualified. And rightly so.

The "prospective candidates for the office", in this case the POTUS, aren't the people who are actually being elected.

Delegates are being selected in one case and electors in the other.

The President is, by law, nominated by his party and elected by elected electors the ballots of whom are tabulated and validated by the US Congress.

In essence, you're demanding that the States qualifiy someone who isn't really "running".

IN my mind, the only body which has legal standing to question the qualifications for POTUS is the electoral body that actually validates the election: The US Congress.

war  posted on  2011-04-19   9:52:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: war (#14)

Oh spinner. You're stuck in the mud.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   9:52:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#15)

I'm stuck in this chair...thus you're stuck with me..when I have the time...

war  posted on  2011-04-19   9:55:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: war, badeye (#16)

You and badeye have already agreed on two different issues today. Is it a sign?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   9:57:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#17)

I'll have to take your word on that, Stone. You know I filter him.

Badeye  posted on  2011-04-19   10:22:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#20. To: Badeye (#19)

You two agree on 911 and Brewer and the bill she vetoed.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19 10:26:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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