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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Opinions/Editorials See other Opinions/Editorials Articles Title: Rand On the Dole Source: Reason URL Source: http://reason.com/blog/2011/01/30/rand-on-the-dole Published: Jan 30, 2011 Author: Tim Cavanaugh Post Date: 2011-04-17 10:53:59 by lucysmom Keywords: Big government supports Ayn Ra, Life mugs Libertarian, Hypocrite, an easy label Views: 30126 Comments: 82 Scott McConnell's Oral History of Ayn Rand includes an interview with a consultant of the Atlas Shrugged author and founder of the Objectivism cult, who details how she helped the artist formerly known as Alisa Zinovievna Rosenbaum get on the public tit. From Mark Frauenfelder at BoingBoing: Noted speed freak, serial-killer fangirl, and Tea Party hero Ayn Rand was also a kleptoparasite, sneakily gobbling up taxpayer funds under an assumed name to pay for her medical treatments after she got lung cancer. An interview with Evva Pryror, a social worker and consultant to Miss Rand's law firm of Ernst, Cane, Gitlin and Winick verified that on Miss Rand's behalf she secured Rand's Social Security and Medicare payments which Ayn received under the name of Ann O'Connor (husband Frank O'Connor). As Pryor said, "Doctors cost a lot more money than books earn and she could be totally wiped out" without the aid of these two government programs. Ayn took the bail out even though Ayn "despised government interference and felt that people should and could live independently... She didn't feel that an individual should take help." Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: Fred Mertz, A K A Stone, hondo68, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mcgowanjm, The Blue Cat (#0) "Doctors cost a lot more money than books earn and she could be totally wiped out without the aid of these two government programs." Yep. That's why those programs were created. The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-17   10:59:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: lucysmom (#1) The programs were created because of Rand? Your tagline is silly considering how much blood the democrats have on their hands murdering little pretty innocent babies. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-17   11:03:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: A K A Stone (#2) ditto. Besides, Maher is a total idiot. Abcdefg  posted on  2011-04-17   11:05:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: Abcdefg (#3) Maher is a total idiot. Maher should be t******d and k****d A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-17   11:09:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: A K A Stone (#2) Your tagline is silly considering how much blood the democrats have on their hands murdering little pretty innocent babies. Of course there are Democrats that don't support the right to choose and Republicans who do - but that messes up the whole black and white approach to politics. Too bad life isn't that simple. The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-17   11:12:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: lucysmom (#5) Why do you hide behind the word choice? The hero killer of Tiller was just exercising his choice too I suppose. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-17   11:15:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone (#5) Of course there are Democrats that don't support the right to choose and Republicans who do - but that messes up the whole black and white approach to politics. I'm interested in your gray approach especially in regard to 'choice' since that issue caused my permanent expulsion from FR's taliban cult. harrowup  posted on  2011-04-17   11:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: harrowup (#7) Here is my approach. Death penalty for anyone providing an abortion. Death penalty for anyone paying for an abortion. Death penalty for anyone that seeks out and trys to hire a hitman to kill their unborn child. In other words treat it for what it is...blood red murder. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-17   11:36:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: A K A Stone (#6) Why do you hide behind the word choice? The hero killer of Tiller was just exercising his choice too I suppose. Explain why the Old Testament penalty for murder is death while the penalty for causing a woman to miscarry is a fine. The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-17   11:46:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: harrowup (#7) I'm interested in your gray approach especially in regard to 'choice' since that issue caused my permanent expulsion from FR's taliban cult. I don't think I can help you understand why you were expelled from FR. The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-17   11:48:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: A K A Stone (#8) Here is my approach. Death penalty for anyone providing an abortion. Death penalty for anyone paying for an abortion. Death penalty for anyone that seeks out and trys to hire a hitman to kill their unborn child. In other words treat it for what it is...blood red murder. I like it. We The People  posted on  2011-04-17   11:50:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: lucysmom (#9) Show me the text and I will help you to understand it if I am able. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-17   11:51:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: We The People (#11) I'm under no illusion that it will ever happen. I just don't understand how any civilized good person can condone such barbaric treatment of their fellow human being. What is even weirder many of these people are extreme animal rights wacks that don't even want you to be able to eat chicken at KFC. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-17   11:52:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: A K A Stone (#12) Exodus 21:22 When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman's husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine. The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-17   11:54:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: all (#0) Face it people the reasons why we have these entitlement programs are: 1). Votes (first and foremost).... 2). People want to feel good about themselves so they take your money to do it. 3). There are people who do need "SOME" help, not the over amount that's being given to them. 4). Some people on this earth have made their bed and don't want to sleep in it, hence casting their votes for handouts.... There are more reasons than this but I'm not gonna go into them because it's useless trying to tell some people the truth.... If people would just grow up most of these entitlements could go away, but from the looks and sounds of it it aint gonna happen anytime soon.... "I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning CZ82  posted on  2011-04-17   13:51:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: CZ82 (#15) There are more reasons than this but I'm not gonna go into them because it's useless trying to tell some people the truth.... If people would just grow up most of these entitlements could go away, but from the looks and sounds of it it aint gonna happen anytime soon.... Since the great depression and even somewhat before, US citizens have been voting their pocketbook, pure and simple. Usually in response to corporate excesses. "http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi" Rek  posted on  2011-04-17   14:05:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: lucysmomk, A K A Stone (#10) I don't think I can help you understand why you were expelled from FR. Don't be a smartass, Ma; I asked you what your gray approach to politics is as opposed to that which you criticized, black & white. You either have an answer or you're just blowing smoke. Stone? Your view is certainly extreme and of course neither reasonable nor probable. Some times pregnancy is truly a mistake. My own idea on abortion is that the first one is free unless the father is known and he pays) and without condemnation. A second abortion is costly and results in automatic sterilization of the mother. The father in the second abortion is required to pay. Anyone fined for an abortion as the father would be above who reoffends is castrated. Anyone executing an abortion provider must adopt all future children born who would have been serviced by said abortion provider. Until the RC Church permits birth control we're stuck. Until the government stops paying for abortions we're stuck. Just my opinion. harrowup  posted on  2011-04-17   14:09:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: harrowup (#17) Stone? Your view is certainly extreme and of course neither reasonable nor probable. My view is reasonable and consistent with what we do with murderers and their accomplices in this and every nation on earth. It is extreme to allow the annihilation if millions of little pretty babies. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-18   15:29:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: harrowup (#17) Until the RC Church permits birth control we're stuck. I've seen studies in the past that say if people have easier access to birth control methods, thats it causes abortion rates to go up..... I've also seen just the opposite...... Here is an excerpt from a thread I posted 8 days ago: Access to contraception does NOT reduce abortion rates: Anyone who finds that statement shocking has not been paying attention. A study published earlier this year found that a 63 percent increase in the use of contraceptives in Spain over a ten-year period was accompanied by a 108 percent increase in the rate of elective abortions.[8] This counter-intuitive reality has also been documented in peer-reviewed journals in the U.S. and Western Europe. Studies by Peter Arcidiacono in the U.S., K. Edgardh in Sweden, and David Paton and Sourafel Girma as well as M. Wiggins et al. in the U.K., are reviewed in a USCCB fact sheet "Greater Access to Contraception Does Not Reduce Abortions." Now on the other hand: It appears that offering free contraception to young women is an effective way to cut the abortion rate. In 2002, free hormone-based birth control was offered to Norwegian women ages 16 to 19, and abortion rates declined dramatically. When the one-year project was over, young women were offered reduced-rate contraception, and the number of abortions began to climb again. If offering free contraception works in Norway, it seems entirely possible that it could work in other places around the world. There appears to be workable solution to unintended pregnancies and abortions. Cities hand out free needles to drug users, why not contraception? So which one is right??????? Who the hell knows????? "I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning CZ82  posted on  2011-04-18   15:44:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: A K A Stone (#18) It is extreme to allow the annihilation if millions of little pretty babies. No question about it. How many 'pretty little babies' born to parents ill- equipped to raise them have you and your associates adopted to give them a life without pain and abuse? harrowup  posted on  2011-04-18   20:27:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: harrowup (#20) No question about it. How many 'pretty little babies' born to parents ill- equipped to raise them have you and your associates adopted to give them a life without pain and abuse? Me and my associates have adopted zero babies. The liberals killed them all. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-18   20:29:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: CZ82, A K A Stone (#19) So which one is right??????? Who the hell knows????? There has always been a racial component to abortion that is both sad and ugly. I don't know how to stop it without resorting to a harsh punishment short of death that prevents further pro-creation. Whether contraception works or not I don't know either as long as people either look the other way and don't consider the social consequences of giving birth to an unwanted, unloved baby who will suffer for the sins of the father. Wish I knew, but castration is a start for repeat offenders. harrowup  posted on  2011-04-18   20:34:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: harrowup, A K A Stone (#20) How many 'pretty little babies' born to parents ill- equipped to raise them have you and your associates adopted...? You mean before you and your associates exterminated them? It's hard to adopt 'pretty little babies' if you murder them before their first breaths of air out of the womb. MEMO TO HARROWUP and "parents ill- equipped to raise" them: STOP MURDERING THE UNBORN AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR "BIRTH CONTROL." #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   20:38:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: A K A Stone (#21) Me and my associates have adopted zero babies. The liberals killed them all. Not funny. My question was serious. All of the money that is spent on anti- abortion activities might better be spent adopting the helpless children born to parents ill-suited to raise a child. It would still require punishment for repeat offenders. Once is a mistake. Twice is an affront to God and nature. harrowup  posted on  2011-04-18   20:39:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: harrowup (#20) Oh that is perfect logic. Getting pulled apart- limb, by limb- to a slow suffocating death- is not abusive or painful. diva betsy ross  posted on  2011-04-18   20:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: harrowup (#17) My own idea on abortion is that the first one is free unless the father is known and he pays) and without condemnation. Aaah - so everyone on Planet Harrowup gets one murder/abortion "mulligan"? You are most merciful, highness. #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   20:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: Liberator (#23) I have always tried to view the situation rationally and without blame. The first abortion is a mistake. The second abortion should be harshly punished. Can't be any clearer than that since it ain't never going to happen your way. harrowup  posted on  2011-04-18   20:43:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: lucysmom (#5) There are Democrats that don't support the right to choose and Republicans who do - but that messes up the whole black and white approach to politics. Murder knows no Party, although the the Holy Sacrament of the Democrat Party IS Abortion. #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   20:44:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: harrowup (#24) Not funny. I know. That is why I support the death penalty for these types of murderers. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-18   20:48:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: harrowup (#27) (Edited) I have always tried to view the situation rationally and without blame. The first abortion is a mistake. But there IS blame. There is no such thing as a mulligan when stealing an other's life. And yes, you are rationalizing. The second abortion should be harshly punished. The second murder victim is no more worthy of life than the first. Can't be any clearer than that since it ain't never going to happen your way. NOT going to be your way either; The way man's law is, two or twenty abortions/murders are sanctioned by the state. #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   20:50:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: lucysmom (#9) Explain why the Old Testament penalty for murder is death while the penalty for causing a woman to miscarry is a fine. Are you a disciple of the Old Testament or just trying to stump detractors of abortion with your riddle? #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   20:53:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: diva betsy ross, harrowup (#25) Oh that is perfect logic. Getting pulled apart- limb, by limb- to a slow suffocating death- is not abusive or painful. Harrowup gives a dismemberment mulligan for the first almost-birth; The second time a dismemberment/abortion happens he really gets p*ssed off. #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   20:56:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: lucysmom (#0) Noted speed freak, serial-killer fangirl, and Tea Party hero Ayn Rand was also a kleptoparasite, sneakily gobbling up taxpayer funds ... How convenient that the Left feels it must discredit Ayn Rand who discredits and undresses the Left's Socialism/Fascism - just as the movie is released. #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   21:00:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: A K A Stone (#29) That is why I support the death penalty for these types of murderers. Oh for pete's sake most states don't execute cop killers or pedophiles who molest and kill children. Your solution is a non starter. Aim at something less draconian and possible. harrowup  posted on  2011-04-18   21:01:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: Liberator (#32) Liberalism is a mental disorder. It is true. diva betsy ross  posted on  2011-04-18   21:06:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: CZ82 (#19) (Edited) There appears to be workable solution to unintended pregnancies and abortions. Cities hand out free needles to drug users, why not contraception? That's an interest revelation and logical solution of a civilization, culture, and society that is actually concerned with stability and righteousness. However, IT'S NOT. Look beyond logic... The Powers-That-Be have planned the current climate of instability and chaos since the mid-60s. That included legitimizing abortion, creating a dependent plantation class, and destroying the structure of the family. The Powers-That-Be are...Reptilian-Evil. #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   21:07:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: diva betsy ross (#35) Liberalism is a mental disorder. It is true. A mental disorder that rationalizes the acceptability of murder of the most innocent of human beings. Most of these very same folks demand their pound of flesh of those who mistreat and abuse animals. #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   21:09:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #38. To: A K A Stone (#29) I support the death penalty for these types of murderers. For repeat-abortionists? Or any abortion? #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   21:11:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: CZ82 (#19) So which one is right??????? Who the hell knows????? European teens have lower pregnancy and abortion rates because they have access to contraceptives, permission to use it, and frank parental/cultural guidelines. American teens, on the other hand, think of being prepared as a bad idea and a "jinx." According to one young man, "I don't think you should prepare to have sex, 'cause if you carry a condom it's like you are expecting to have sex, so yeah, I don't think you should carry one." The kids say that boys who carry condoms are seen as "promiscuous" and girls who do this are seen as "sluts." One guy sums it up with, "Yeah, no condoms for me." www.slate.com/id/2272631/ Watch the slide show. The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-18   21:15:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: Liberator (#38) For anyone who performs abortions. Anyone who seeks them. Anyone who hires a hitman to kill babies, born or unborn. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-18   21:15:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #41. To: lucysmom (#39) Europe has lower morals then traditional Americans. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-18   21:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #42. To: A K A Stone (#41) Europe has lower morals then traditional Americans. Yea I guess that's why at 10PM on Italian TV networks it's porno time..... "I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning CZ82  posted on  2011-04-18   21:22:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #43. To: A K A Stone (#40) For anyone who performs abortions. Anyone who seeks them. Anyone who hires a hitman to kill babies, born or unborn. It IS murder. However man has created his own "justice" and rationalizes abortion as the "lesser of evils" vs. the inconvenience of raising the child. That said, the Lord was clear about the repercussions of His justice of those who harm "the little ones." #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   21:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #44. To: diva betsy ross (#35) Liberalism is a mental disorder. It is true. Now where have I heard that before????? Psychiatrist Confirms: Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder February 17, 2008 Psychiatrist Confirms: Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder As a clinical and forensic psychiatrist, Lyle Rossiter has treated over 1,500 patients and examined over 2,700 civil and criminal cases. Turning his hand to political psychopathology, the author of The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, has diagnosed an alarming percentage of the population as suffering from the grotesque form of mental derangement known by some as moonbattery. Among Rossiter's observations: Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded. Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave. A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity — as liberals do. A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population — as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation's citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state — as liberals do. The roots of liberalism — and its associated madness — can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind. When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious. Basically liberalism is a willful failure to mature beyond adolescence that can have catastrophic consequences for society. With luck, the official diagnosis of this disease by a mental health professional will facilitate the search for a cure. "I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning CZ82  posted on  2011-04-18   21:29:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #45. To: A K A Stone (#41) (Edited) Europe has lower morals then traditional Americans. And yet traditional Americans have abortions at a higher rate. Unwed pregnant teens and 20-somethings who attend or have graduated from private religious schools are more likely to obtain abortions than their peers from public schools, according to research in the June issue of the Journal of Health and Social Behavior. www.livescience.com/5476-...abortion-religiosity.html "But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?" The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-18   21:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #46. To: CZ82 (#44) Me thinks the psychiatrist doth project... The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-18   21:51:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #47. To: Liberator (#33) How convenient that the Left feels it must discredit Ayn Rand... The point is that Ayn Rand discredits her philosophy, herself. The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-18   21:55:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #48. To: lucysmom (#45) And yet traditional Americans have abortions at a higher rate. Go to your source. Post their numbers. Show the math on screen here. Then we can debate it. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-18   21:57:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #49. To: Liberator (#28) although the Holy Sacrament of the Democrat Party IS Abortion. So in your opinion why is that????? Just curious.... "I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning CZ82  posted on  2011-04-18   21:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #50. To: lucysmom (#46) Me thinks the psychiatrist doth project... Maybe.... "I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning CZ82  posted on  2011-04-18   22:00:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #51. To: CZ82, lucysmom (#50) "Me thinks the psychiatrist doth project..." Maybe.... There is no reasoning with absolutists whether pro or con. harrowup  posted on  2011-04-18   22:15:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #52. To: CZ82 (#49) So in your opinion why is that????? Just curious.... Can any democrat capture the democratic nomination without being for infanticide. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-18   22:18:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #53. To: A K A Stone (#52) Can any democrat capture the democratic nomination without being for infanticide Highly doubtful...... "I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning CZ82  posted on  2011-04-18   22:19:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #54. To: CZ82 (#53) It unifies them more than any other issue. An example was their willingness to shit down the government in order to keep funding a company named Planned Parenthood which has subsidized the murder of millions of people. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-18   22:24:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #55. To: A K A Stone, CZ82 (#54) An example was their willingness to shut down the government in order to keep funding a company named Planned Parenthood You are correct that this is the third rail of the Democrat Party. The reason is simple and one that must never be discussed and that is the racial element to abortion. The Black Caucus would abandon the party in a second if any reasonable approach to abortion control would ever be suggested. This has been true since the South abandoned the Democrats and tried to reason with the caucus, and then had to become Republican instead. The SCOTUS never never never should have suggested it was legal and there needs to be a good case to overturn it and damn the Black Caucus and the money changers at Planned Parenthood and its sister lesbian society chums at NOW. It's all about money now. Nothing to do with morals or integrity on the left. And, sadly, the right has fallen into the trap of unrealistic expectations whatever the good intentions. harrowup  posted on  2011-04-18   22:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #56. To: harrowup (#55) You are correct that this is the third rail of the Democrat Party. And yet Harry Reid is anti-choice and would like to see Roe vs Wade overturned - go figure. The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-18   22:53:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #57. To: lucysmom (#56) Harry Reid may be anti choice but he is pro abortion. He voted to fund it with Obamas "healthcare" bill. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-18   22:56:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #58. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone (#56) Harry Reid is incapable of speaking the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth on anything, anytime, anyplace. Sad thing is Durbin is dumber and a bigger crook. harrowup  posted on  2011-04-18   23:00:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #59. To: A K A Stone (#57) Harry Reid may be anti choice but he is pro abortion. He voted to fund it with Obamas "healthcare" bill. A vote for the bill is not a vote for abortion. To say that it is, is irrational, illogical hyperbole. The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-18   23:16:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #60. To: lucysmom (#59) A vote for the bill is not a vote for abortion. To say that it is, is irrational, illogical hyperbole. CZ here is another one for your list on "libtards". A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-18   23:18:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #61. To: cz82 (#59) See above A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-18   23:18:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #62. To: harrowup (#58) Harry Reid is incapable of speaking the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth on anything, anytime, anyplace. A flaw that isn't unique to him apparently. The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-18   23:19:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #63. To: lucysmom (#62) A flaw that isn't unique to him apparently. Only apparently. Even when you're right I have to correct you. It isn't strong enough a word. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-18   23:21:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #64. To: lucysmom (#62) A flaw that isn't unique to him apparently. Okay, now I get your 'gray' zone. Me color blind. Me only see shades of gray. Me like it that way. Soothing. No ulcers. No hypertension. No kidney failure....and finally, no bed-wetting. harrowup  posted on  2011-04-18   23:26:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #65. To: A K A Stone (#60) A vote for the bill is not a vote for abortion. To say that it is, is irrational, illogical hyperbole. CZ here is another one for your list on "libtards". RFL #15). I know the truth but would rather deny it….. Does that cover it, or do I need to make up a slightly different rule???? Your call..... If I do PM me and we will discuss it..... "I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning CZ82  posted on  2011-04-19   6:38:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #66. To: A K A Stone (#63) "Only apparently. Even when you're right I have to correct you. It isn't strong enough a word." Stop brow beating her, you sure the Hell ain't perfect bub. Want me to start dogging you whenever I percieve where your thought process has gone wrong? That would be quite the time consuming baby sitting job. #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-04-19   7:43:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #67. To: CZ82, A K A Stone (#65) RFL #15). I know the truth but would rather deny it….. What truth? That the radical Christian right is the western equivalent of the taliban? You are in denial, not I. The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-19   11:06:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #68. To: A K A Stone (#60) CZ here is another one for your list on "libtards". Do you keep lists like Nazi's? "http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi" Rek  posted on  2011-04-19   11:15:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #69. To: lucysmom (#67) And I imagine you can find an article stating just exactly the opposite, so.... what is the real truth????? Obamacare and Abortion: The Facts October 19, 2010 5:27 P.M. By William L. Saunders Today, Americans United for Life held a telephone press conference to discuss a hot political topic: Did Obamacare mark a huge expansion of abortion? This is important, because many self-identified pro-life Democrats voted for Obamacare, and some of those are up for reelection in races where this question has taken center stage. The answer is yes, Obamacare did mark a significant expansion of abortion. It violated one plank of the “Hyde Amendment principles” (Hyde itself does not apply, since Obamacare is funded outside of Health & Human Services appropriations): no federal funding of insurance plans that provide abortions. The state exchanges established under Obamacare will certainly include plans that cover abortion. These plans will receive federal subsidies, thus violating Hyde principles. The meaningless “restriction” in the law is that the subsidies go to the insurance provider, not the individual, and that the abortions are paid for from a pool established by mandatory monthly payments by insurees. And even this restriction lapses if Hyde itself is not renewed (it is subject to yearly renewal). Beyond this, there are virtually no restrictions on abortion in Obamacare. Funding streams such as those through Community Health Centers were thus unaffected. And while that particular problem was addressed in Obama’s executive order, the order failed to address anything else. For instance, one loophole left open by the EO involved the high-risk pools. In fact, HHS would have directly funded abortion thereunder but for the protests of pro-life advocates. But HHS’ initial decision came as no surprise. As both the Congressional Research Service and the pro-abortion Center for Reproductive Rights pointed out, there was no legal restriction against HHS approving such funding since neither the law itself nor the executive order forbade it. Another loophole left unclosed by the EO is the meaning of “preventive care,” which must be covered by all private insurance plans under the new law. The government can define it to include abortion. If so, every insurance plan — not just those on the state exchanges — would have to cover it. This is a hole wide enough to drive the proverbial truck through. Finally, one thing we know from court decisions in many circuits is that unless abortion is expressly prohibited, courts will read it into laws providing for health-care services. In short, Obamacare marked a decisive pro-abortion shift. Representatives who voted for it should not be surprised if their constituents hold them accountable for doing so. — William L. Saunders is a senior vice-president at Americans United for Life. "I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning CZ82  posted on  2011-04-19   11:20:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #70. To: Rek (#68) Cz's list is for fun. But I do have an enemies of American Freedom list. It is here on this site somewhere if you want to take a look see. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   11:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #71. To: Ferret Mike (#66) Mike that was a back handed compliment. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   11:25:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #72. To: A K A Stone (#70) Cz's list is for fun. So is CZ another 'special' poster here? "http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi" Rek  posted on  2011-04-19   11:28:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #73. To: Rek (#72) Cz's list is for fun. So is CZ another 'special' poster here? Why because he has a rules for libtards list. Stuff like if they deny something they are probably doing it. Stuff like that. So you have a list of what you think are special posters? That would be interesting to see what you think. Am I biased. Yeah probably. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   11:33:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #74. To: A K A Stone (#73) (Edited) Why because he has a rules for libtards list. Stuff like if they deny something they are probably doing it. Stuff like that. So you have a list of what you think are special posters? That would be interesting to see what you think. Am I biased. Yeah probably. It sounds so Nazi lock step like and is a form of imtimidation too. But then that hero of the statist right, Nixon, kept enemies lists too. And it demonstrates that you must assume since there are obvious trolls here that everyone is one. How about just arguing the facts ma'am or honest felt opinion, and forget all the silly division creating labels? "http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi" Rek  posted on  2011-04-19   12:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #75. To: Rek (#74) Find my enemies list. You will be surprised who is on it. It is actually an "enemies of American freedom list". I think that is how I worded it. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   12:07:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #76. To: CZ82 (#69) Another loophole left unclosed by the EO is the meaning of “preventive care,” which must be covered by all private insurance plans under the new law. The government can define it to include abortion. If so, every insurance plan — not just those on the state exchanges — would have to cover it. This is a hole wide enough to drive the proverbial truck through. William L. Saunders represents the extreme Catholic view that the pill, and IUDs are abortifacients - that is what he's talking about when he refers to the “preventive care" loophole. Pregnancy is not a disease. Therefore, it is illogical to include elective abortions and abortifacients in preventive care and screenings. Plan B, a so-called “emergency contraceptive,” should not be included in preventive care. When the FDA approved Plan B, it acknowledged that the drug not only prevented fertilization but “may also work by…preventing attachment (implantation) to the uterus. . . .” What birth control method is acceptable to Saunders? If a couple thinks serious reasons do indeed exist for postponing a pregnancy, the Church teaches that a couple may take advantage of "the natural cycles of the reproductive system" (Humanae Vitae, No.16). We know that a woman can only conceive a child during the period of ovulation. Therefore, a couple may resort to expressing their love only when they are in the infertile phases of their cycle. This method of regulating birth is called Natural Family Planning, a safe and effective means which is morally acceptable and which preserves the covenant love of marriage. http://www.catholiceducation.org...cles/religion/re0660.html The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-19   12:08:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #77. To: A K A Stone (#75) Find my enemies list. You will be surprised who is on it. It is actually an "enemies of American freedom list". I think that is how I worded it. I really could care less, as it will change with the tide. You can't even get two people to agree on the definition of freedom. "http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi" Rek  posted on  2011-04-19   12:11:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #78. To: Rek (#77) Off the top of my head. Freedom would be the ability to exercise your conscience and do what you want to do as long as it does not infringe on other peoples rights. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   12:14:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #79. To: A K A Stone (#78) Off the top of my head. Freedom would be the ability to exercise your conscience and do what you want to do as long as it does not infringe on other peoples rights. Now you have to get everyone on board with the definition of 'rights'. "http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi" Rek  posted on  2011-04-19   12:18:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #80. To: Rek (#79) Now you have to get everyone on board with the definition of 'rights'. Rights would be those things which you choose to do that don't physically hurt or take property from other people. Not the best definition but it is a working start. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-19   12:22:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #81. To: lucysmom (#76) William L. Saunders I didn't know who he is/was, I didn't do any research on him... I just know that I've heard both sides of the story yes and no.... It seems to go by what side of the fence they are on...... And..... who really is telling the truth???? "I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning CZ82  posted on  2011-04-19   13:20:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #82. To: CZ82 (#81) And..... who really is telling the truth???? I think Saunders is telling the truth up to a point. What he doesn't tell you is how he defines the words. Saunders doesn't come right out and say contraception equals abortion except when addressing a conservative Catholic audience. The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-19   13:34:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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