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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Opinions/Editorials See other Opinions/Editorials Articles Title: Rand On the Dole Source: Reason URL Source: http://reason.com/blog/2011/01/30/rand-on-the-dole Published: Jan 30, 2011 Author: Tim Cavanaugh Post Date: 2011-04-17 10:53:59 by lucysmom Keywords: Big government supports Ayn Ra, Life mugs Libertarian, Hypocrite, an easy label Views: 30188 Comments: 82 Scott McConnell's Oral History of Ayn Rand includes an interview with a consultant of the Atlas Shrugged author and founder of the Objectivism cult, who details how she helped the artist formerly known as Alisa Zinovievna Rosenbaum get on the public tit. From Mark Frauenfelder at BoingBoing: Noted speed freak, serial-killer fangirl, and Tea Party hero Ayn Rand was also a kleptoparasite, sneakily gobbling up taxpayer funds under an assumed name to pay for her medical treatments after she got lung cancer. An interview with Evva Pryror, a social worker and consultant to Miss Rand's law firm of Ernst, Cane, Gitlin and Winick verified that on Miss Rand's behalf she secured Rand's Social Security and Medicare payments which Ayn received under the name of Ann O'Connor (husband Frank O'Connor). As Pryor said, "Doctors cost a lot more money than books earn and she could be totally wiped out" without the aid of these two government programs. Ayn took the bail out even though Ayn "despised government interference and felt that people should and could live independently... She didn't feel that an individual should take help." Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: Fred Mertz, A K A Stone, hondo68, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mcgowanjm, The Blue Cat (#0) "Doctors cost a lot more money than books earn and she could be totally wiped out without the aid of these two government programs." Yep. That's why those programs were created. The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-17   10:59:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: lucysmom (#1) The programs were created because of Rand? Your tagline is silly considering how much blood the democrats have on their hands murdering little pretty innocent babies. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-17   11:03:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: A K A Stone (#2) ditto. Besides, Maher is a total idiot. Abcdefg  posted on  2011-04-17   11:05:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: Abcdefg (#3) Maher is a total idiot. Maher should be t******d and k****d A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-17   11:09:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: A K A Stone (#2) Your tagline is silly considering how much blood the democrats have on their hands murdering little pretty innocent babies. Of course there are Democrats that don't support the right to choose and Republicans who do - but that messes up the whole black and white approach to politics. Too bad life isn't that simple. The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-17   11:12:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: lucysmom (#5) Why do you hide behind the word choice? The hero killer of Tiller was just exercising his choice too I suppose. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-17   11:15:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone (#5) Of course there are Democrats that don't support the right to choose and Republicans who do - but that messes up the whole black and white approach to politics. I'm interested in your gray approach especially in regard to 'choice' since that issue caused my permanent expulsion from FR's taliban cult. harrowup  posted on  2011-04-17   11:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: harrowup (#7) Here is my approach. Death penalty for anyone providing an abortion. Death penalty for anyone paying for an abortion. Death penalty for anyone that seeks out and trys to hire a hitman to kill their unborn child. In other words treat it for what it is...blood red murder. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-17   11:36:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: A K A Stone (#6) Why do you hide behind the word choice? The hero killer of Tiller was just exercising his choice too I suppose. Explain why the Old Testament penalty for murder is death while the penalty for causing a woman to miscarry is a fine. The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-17   11:46:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: harrowup (#7) I'm interested in your gray approach especially in regard to 'choice' since that issue caused my permanent expulsion from FR's taliban cult. I don't think I can help you understand why you were expelled from FR. The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-17   11:48:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: A K A Stone (#8) Here is my approach. Death penalty for anyone providing an abortion. Death penalty for anyone paying for an abortion. Death penalty for anyone that seeks out and trys to hire a hitman to kill their unborn child. In other words treat it for what it is...blood red murder. I like it. We The People  posted on  2011-04-17   11:50:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: lucysmom (#9) Show me the text and I will help you to understand it if I am able. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-17   11:51:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: We The People (#11) I'm under no illusion that it will ever happen. I just don't understand how any civilized good person can condone such barbaric treatment of their fellow human being. What is even weirder many of these people are extreme animal rights wacks that don't even want you to be able to eat chicken at KFC. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-17   11:52:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: A K A Stone (#12) Exodus 21:22 When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman's husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine. The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-17   11:54:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: all (#0) Face it people the reasons why we have these entitlement programs are: 1). Votes (first and foremost).... 2). People want to feel good about themselves so they take your money to do it. 3). There are people who do need "SOME" help, not the over amount that's being given to them. 4). Some people on this earth have made their bed and don't want to sleep in it, hence casting their votes for handouts.... There are more reasons than this but I'm not gonna go into them because it's useless trying to tell some people the truth.... If people would just grow up most of these entitlements could go away, but from the looks and sounds of it it aint gonna happen anytime soon.... "I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning CZ82  posted on  2011-04-17   13:51:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: CZ82 (#15) There are more reasons than this but I'm not gonna go into them because it's useless trying to tell some people the truth.... If people would just grow up most of these entitlements could go away, but from the looks and sounds of it it aint gonna happen anytime soon.... Since the great depression and even somewhat before, US citizens have been voting their pocketbook, pure and simple. Usually in response to corporate excesses. "http://first-draft-blog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5ced53ef0148c7a28c4b970c-320wi" Rek  posted on  2011-04-17   14:05:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: lucysmomk, A K A Stone (#10) I don't think I can help you understand why you were expelled from FR. Don't be a smartass, Ma; I asked you what your gray approach to politics is as opposed to that which you criticized, black & white. You either have an answer or you're just blowing smoke. Stone? Your view is certainly extreme and of course neither reasonable nor probable. Some times pregnancy is truly a mistake. My own idea on abortion is that the first one is free unless the father is known and he pays) and without condemnation. A second abortion is costly and results in automatic sterilization of the mother. The father in the second abortion is required to pay. Anyone fined for an abortion as the father would be above who reoffends is castrated. Anyone executing an abortion provider must adopt all future children born who would have been serviced by said abortion provider. Until the RC Church permits birth control we're stuck. Until the government stops paying for abortions we're stuck. Just my opinion. harrowup  posted on  2011-04-17   14:09:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: harrowup (#17) Stone? Your view is certainly extreme and of course neither reasonable nor probable. My view is reasonable and consistent with what we do with murderers and their accomplices in this and every nation on earth. It is extreme to allow the annihilation if millions of little pretty babies. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-18   15:29:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: harrowup (#17) Until the RC Church permits birth control we're stuck. I've seen studies in the past that say if people have easier access to birth control methods, thats it causes abortion rates to go up..... I've also seen just the opposite...... Here is an excerpt from a thread I posted 8 days ago: Access to contraception does NOT reduce abortion rates: Anyone who finds that statement shocking has not been paying attention. A study published earlier this year found that a 63 percent increase in the use of contraceptives in Spain over a ten-year period was accompanied by a 108 percent increase in the rate of elective abortions.[8] This counter-intuitive reality has also been documented in peer-reviewed journals in the U.S. and Western Europe. Studies by Peter Arcidiacono in the U.S., K. Edgardh in Sweden, and David Paton and Sourafel Girma as well as M. Wiggins et al. in the U.K., are reviewed in a USCCB fact sheet "Greater Access to Contraception Does Not Reduce Abortions." Now on the other hand: It appears that offering free contraception to young women is an effective way to cut the abortion rate. In 2002, free hormone-based birth control was offered to Norwegian women ages 16 to 19, and abortion rates declined dramatically. When the one-year project was over, young women were offered reduced-rate contraception, and the number of abortions began to climb again. If offering free contraception works in Norway, it seems entirely possible that it could work in other places around the world. There appears to be workable solution to unintended pregnancies and abortions. Cities hand out free needles to drug users, why not contraception? So which one is right??????? Who the hell knows????? "I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning CZ82  posted on  2011-04-18   15:44:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: A K A Stone (#18) It is extreme to allow the annihilation if millions of little pretty babies. No question about it. How many 'pretty little babies' born to parents ill- equipped to raise them have you and your associates adopted to give them a life without pain and abuse? harrowup  posted on  2011-04-18   20:27:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: harrowup (#20) No question about it. How many 'pretty little babies' born to parents ill- equipped to raise them have you and your associates adopted to give them a life without pain and abuse? Me and my associates have adopted zero babies. The liberals killed them all. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-18   20:29:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: CZ82, A K A Stone (#19) So which one is right??????? Who the hell knows????? There has always been a racial component to abortion that is both sad and ugly. I don't know how to stop it without resorting to a harsh punishment short of death that prevents further pro-creation. Whether contraception works or not I don't know either as long as people either look the other way and don't consider the social consequences of giving birth to an unwanted, unloved baby who will suffer for the sins of the father. Wish I knew, but castration is a start for repeat offenders. harrowup  posted on  2011-04-18   20:34:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: harrowup, A K A Stone (#20) How many 'pretty little babies' born to parents ill- equipped to raise them have you and your associates adopted...? You mean before you and your associates exterminated them? It's hard to adopt 'pretty little babies' if you murder them before their first breaths of air out of the womb. MEMO TO HARROWUP and "parents ill- equipped to raise" them: STOP MURDERING THE UNBORN AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR "BIRTH CONTROL." #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   20:38:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: A K A Stone (#21) Me and my associates have adopted zero babies. The liberals killed them all. Not funny. My question was serious. All of the money that is spent on anti- abortion activities might better be spent adopting the helpless children born to parents ill-suited to raise a child. It would still require punishment for repeat offenders. Once is a mistake. Twice is an affront to God and nature. harrowup  posted on  2011-04-18   20:39:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: harrowup (#20) Oh that is perfect logic. Getting pulled apart- limb, by limb- to a slow suffocating death- is not abusive or painful. diva betsy ross  posted on  2011-04-18   20:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: harrowup (#17) My own idea on abortion is that the first one is free unless the father is known and he pays) and without condemnation. Aaah - so everyone on Planet Harrowup gets one murder/abortion "mulligan"? You are most merciful, highness. #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   20:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: Liberator (#23) I have always tried to view the situation rationally and without blame. The first abortion is a mistake. The second abortion should be harshly punished. Can't be any clearer than that since it ain't never going to happen your way. harrowup  posted on  2011-04-18   20:43:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: lucysmom (#5) There are Democrats that don't support the right to choose and Republicans who do - but that messes up the whole black and white approach to politics. Murder knows no Party, although the the Holy Sacrament of the Democrat Party IS Abortion. #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   20:44:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: harrowup (#24) Not funny. I know. That is why I support the death penalty for these types of murderers. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-18   20:48:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: harrowup (#27) (Edited) I have always tried to view the situation rationally and without blame. The first abortion is a mistake. But there IS blame. There is no such thing as a mulligan when stealing an other's life. And yes, you are rationalizing. The second abortion should be harshly punished. The second murder victim is no more worthy of life than the first. Can't be any clearer than that since it ain't never going to happen your way. NOT going to be your way either; The way man's law is, two or twenty abortions/murders are sanctioned by the state. #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   20:50:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: lucysmom (#9) Explain why the Old Testament penalty for murder is death while the penalty for causing a woman to miscarry is a fine. Are you a disciple of the Old Testament or just trying to stump detractors of abortion with your riddle? #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   20:53:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: diva betsy ross, harrowup (#25) Oh that is perfect logic. Getting pulled apart- limb, by limb- to a slow suffocating death- is not abusive or painful. Harrowup gives a dismemberment mulligan for the first almost-birth; The second time a dismemberment/abortion happens he really gets p*ssed off. #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   20:56:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: lucysmom (#0) Noted speed freak, serial-killer fangirl, and Tea Party hero Ayn Rand was also a kleptoparasite, sneakily gobbling up taxpayer funds ... How convenient that the Left feels it must discredit Ayn Rand who discredits and undresses the Left's Socialism/Fascism - just as the movie is released. #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   21:00:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: A K A Stone (#29) That is why I support the death penalty for these types of murderers. Oh for pete's sake most states don't execute cop killers or pedophiles who molest and kill children. Your solution is a non starter. Aim at something less draconian and possible. harrowup  posted on  2011-04-18   21:01:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: Liberator (#32) Liberalism is a mental disorder. It is true. diva betsy ross  posted on  2011-04-18   21:06:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: CZ82 (#19) (Edited) There appears to be workable solution to unintended pregnancies and abortions. Cities hand out free needles to drug users, why not contraception? That's an interest revelation and logical solution of a civilization, culture, and society that is actually concerned with stability and righteousness. However, IT'S NOT. Look beyond logic... The Powers-That-Be have planned the current climate of instability and chaos since the mid-60s. That included legitimizing abortion, creating a dependent plantation class, and destroying the structure of the family. The Powers-That-Be are...Reptilian-Evil. #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   21:07:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: diva betsy ross (#35) Liberalism is a mental disorder. It is true. A mental disorder that rationalizes the acceptability of murder of the most innocent of human beings. Most of these very same folks demand their pound of flesh of those who mistreat and abuse animals. #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   21:09:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #38. To: A K A Stone (#29) I support the death penalty for these types of murderers. For repeat-abortionists? Or any abortion? #1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET Liberator  posted on  2011-04-18   21:11:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: CZ82 (#19) So which one is right??????? Who the hell knows????? European teens have lower pregnancy and abortion rates because they have access to contraceptives, permission to use it, and frank parental/cultural guidelines. American teens, on the other hand, think of being prepared as a bad idea and a "jinx." According to one young man, "I don't think you should prepare to have sex, 'cause if you carry a condom it's like you are expecting to have sex, so yeah, I don't think you should carry one." The kids say that boys who carry condoms are seen as "promiscuous" and girls who do this are seen as "sluts." One guy sums it up with, "Yeah, no condoms for me." www.slate.com/id/2272631/ Watch the slide show. The Republican budget goes after children and the poor. Courage would be going after defense and the rich. Bill Maher lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-18   21:15:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: Liberator (#38) For anyone who performs abortions. Anyone who seeks them. Anyone who hires a hitman to kill babies, born or unborn. A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-18   21:15:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #41. To: lucysmom (#39) Europe has lower morals then traditional Americans. 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