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Title: Obamanomics: U.S. deficit up 15.7% in first half of fiscal 2011
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Published: Apr 12, 2011
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Post Date: 2011-04-12 17:59:01 by Happy Quanzaa
Keywords: Obamanomics in Action, Obama-doma-ding-dong, Obamatuer Hour
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(AFP) – 2 hours ago WASHINGTON — The US budget deficit shot up 15.7 percent in the first six months of fiscal 2011, the Treasury Department said Wednesday as political knives were being sharpened for a new budget battle. The Treasury reported a deficit of $829 billion for the October-March period, compared with $717 billion a year earlier, as revenue rose a sluggish 6.9 percent as the economic recovery slowly gained pace. The Treasury argued that the pace of increase in the deficit was deceptive because of large one-off reductions in expenditures made during the first half of fiscal 2010, compared with previous and subsequent periods. Those included a $115 billion reduction in funds spent on the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) -- the financial institution bailout program -- in March 2010. But 2011 so far has also seen significant increases in spending on defense, Social Security, health and debt service, while receipts have not grown as fast. "The jump in outlays mostly owed to a smaller estimated reduction in TARP outlays this year versus 2010," said Theresa Chen at Barclays Capital Research. However, she said, the trend shows that taxable income is rising at a 6.9 percent annual pace, and individual incomes taxes are up 20.6 percent, "consistent with general economic improvement." The figures came amid a sharp, politically partisan battle in Washington over cutting spending and raising taxes, with President Barack Obama preparing Wednesday to release his plan for reducing the long-term deficit. He also faces a looming battle over increasing the country's official debt ceiling, so that the government can continue to borrow to finance the deficit.
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#129. To: go65 (#56)
Thank you for some sense of honest analysis. But I'm dealing with Badeye, who blamed the deficit of 2007-08 on House Democrats. Therefore, by that logic, House Republicans are responsible for the current deficit. Well 65, Dems did control both Houses, did they not? House Republicans are guilty of being bamboozled into financing two fake wars and mostly responsible for the deficits we're incurred thus far. OTOH, why hasn't 0bama pulled out of Iraq like he promised? And why aren't Dems pressuring him about it? Moreover, why are the Dems supporting the Nobel Peace Prize winning warmonger for his foray into Libya?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Maybe because there is a difference with taking exception to something President Obama did, said or believes in and sounding like an extreme wacko on the subject of the President. I wouldn't sign on to the extreme views your emotional reaction to Obama distorts your outlook on the man to either. Your rather unfair portrayal of him works to his favor, not yours.
But not the Presidency. Agreed, and don't forget Medicare Part D - supported by Paul Ryan among others. Our withdrawal from Iraq is still scheduled for completion by the date negotiated by the Bush administration. Obama never promised an immediate pullout. And many Democrats have been outspoken in their criticism of Obama for his actions in Libya.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
For instance?
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Oh well, he's young he'll learn what's what eventually.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
I've been overseas and seen it first hand, I know better...... As have I and my one son studies languages and has been in - and taken ill - in several nations. I also have had to deal with hockey related injuries in Canada. Belgium has walk in clinics throughout the nation and, if a clinic is not open, there are a number of "emergency centers" that will take walk-ins. Also, Belgium, France, Italy and Germany will allow pharmacies to dispense medicine for common affliction, conditions such as pink eye would probably qualify. So, either you were under informed while in Belgium or you tried the American route. You also perpetuate the myth that doctors here have tons of openings for people like you who need to see a doctor. They don't.
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I'm 53 and have raised 4 kids. I've traveled the world...as have a couple of my children. The health care system here is horrible. Anyone promoting otherwise is under informed.
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These are some examples of state and federal government regulations and rulings that drive up healthcare costs..... it's not all inclusive cause I just don't know them all.... FDA regulation of existing and new drugs coming to the marketplace drives up prescription costs by 15-20%...... Insurance policies "mandated" to cover things such as plastic surgery, breast enhancement, abortions, accupuncture, massage therapy, podiatry and osteopathy...... Guaranteed issue” allows people to wait till they are sick and then buy insurance; “community rating” prevents insurers from charging different prices to people of different ages and health status. These may sound like compassionate ideas, until you realize they make insurance so expensive that millions of people are exposed to financial ruin because they aren’t allowed to buy basic policies focused on catastrophic costs. (Sound familiar?? ObozoCare)!! Not being able to carry your insurance policy from one state to the other....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Challenge. Insurance policies "mandated" to cover things such as plastic surgery, breast enhancement, abortions, accupuncture, massage therapy, podiatry and osteopathy...... Every thing you listed, with the exception of podiatry, is optional coverage that can be negotiated to be provided by a policy. Not one of those is "mandated". BUt why should podiatry be excluded? When I broke my ankle, the ortho I saw is also a podiatrist. Guaranteed issue” allows people to wait till they are sick and then buy insurance; “community rating” prevents insurers from charging different prices to people of different ages and health status. These may sound like compassionate ideas, until you realize they make insurance so expensive that millions of people are exposed to financial ruin because they aren’t allowed to buy basic policies focused on catastrophic costs. (Sound familiar?? ObozoCare)!! Bullshit. Increasing the number of insured increases the number of HEALTHY people who are purchasing a product that they will not use. They far outnumber the number of people who will get sick. What you just posted absolutely defies logic. There is a reason why the health insurance industry isn't fighting all that hard to have HRC repealed. And, btw, the US is probably the only industrialized nation that does not guarantee catastrophic illness coverage for its citizens.
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I think you know that statement is false. No federal money given to Planned Parenthood is used to fund abortions, so how can that be a top priority. "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Kyl said in a speech in opposition to federal funding for Planned Parenthood that "well over 90 percent" of what the organization does is abortion-related. After it was pointed out that it's actually 3 percent, a Kyl spokesman said the comment "was not intended to be a factual statement." What? So what was it intended to be? A joke? A lie? You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
When you give money to an evil organization like Planned Murder it is for abortion. It frees up other funds. Quit pretending. Also show me the constitutional authority of giving money to a group of Eugenics murderers.
That makes sense to do that, they should do more of that here. It really only takes "med techs" to diagnose and treat most minor illnesses....... The clinic at the base hospital is dispensing certain over the counter drugs but not much more than that.... My daughter ended up seeing a "med tech" (not a doctor) for her pink eye because it isn't that serious of an illness. But when your wife is freaking out well what can you say, she had to go "right" then.... I didn't even find out about this till I got back to England 3 weeks later..... But the big difference is in "Life threatening" illnesses (like cancer) and nice to have things like hip and joint replacement, and pacemakers..... If they think you're too old or too ill you won't get treatment...... At least here you still have a decent chance of getting the treatment you need and desire for the more serious things.... I don't think our system is perfect by any means, a big dose of deregulation would go a long ways towards fixing it.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Oh yes they are by some states....... New York requires every insurance policy sold there to cover podiatry. Acupuncture coverage is mandated in 11 states, massage therapy in four, osteopathy in 24, and chiropractors in 47. There are an estimated 1,800 or so such insurance “mandates” across the country, and the costs add up. I don't make the rules, no matter how stupid they are, I just post them.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
I bet Walmart could do a good job of treating minor ailments.
But you know just as well as I do the regulations won't allow that..... It's because of a pain in the ass little thing called "LAWYERS"......
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Planned Parenthood is a medical service provider. They accept insurance payments as well as payments on a sliding scale from the uninsured. You'd better make sure your insurance provider does not pay for medical care provided by planned parenthood cause if they do - using your logic, your premiums may be freeing up money for abortions.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
Now that I've said that it got me to thinking about Massachusetts and RomneyCare, gotta look that one up......
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Are you channeling Kyl?
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
Isn't channeling what the witch/bitch Hillary did when she was "talking" to Elanor Roosevelt? I don't channel it is demonic.
Here I will just post the links to it so you can see for yourself..... I would just imagine the average taxpayer in Massachusetts is pretty pissed off about RomneyCare...... en.wikipedi a.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform daytontribune.com/romneyc...-massachusetts-%E2%80%93- obamacare-will-bankrupt-the-country/75912/ thepoliticalcarnival.net/...romneycare-contains-some- policies-more-liberal-than-affordable-care-act/
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Are you guys unaware that nany Walmarts already have medical clinics? http://walmartstores.com/healthWellness/7613.aspx They started them in 2007.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
We have a high-deductible policy and a medical savings account, we are the poster child for Republican health-care reforms over the last few years. Our out of pocket for my wife's cancer treatments have run us about $20,000 a year over the last two years. We can afford it, plenty of others couldn't.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
I heard it mentioned before. I thought it was just an idea, which is why I posted what I did.
I haven't seen one yet but had heard some rumblings before about them.... Figured they got shot down because there aren't any around here that I know of...
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Your bullshit has been pointed out to you, yet you continue to ignore it. I guess you think the folks who jumped to their deaths during 911 committed suicide rather than were murdered. -- Clinton sued a lender named Accubank in 1998 under the CRA , forcing it a to write $2.1 billion in subprimes. Clinton then sued Columbia Mortgage in 1999, forcing it to write $6 billion in subprimes. You can see Clinton's Secretary of HUD (Andrew Cuomo) crowing about these "victories" on YouTube if you search just a bit. What Clinton did was to get a ball rolling that nobody could stop. Banks had gotten the message. If you don’t relax your standards and start writing high-risk loans, the government will sue you. If you do write high-risk loans, the government will reward you with a guarantee. What followed was the housing disaster as we know it. The disaster quickly became much larger than the subprime problem. Once the banks had gotten into the psychology of realizing that bad behavior was being rewarded, there was nothing stopping them from expanding this concept. Why make high-risk loans only to low-income people? Why not make money on the transaction fees associated with selling high-risk mortgages to everyone, then sell those mortgages upstream, ultimately to someone guaranteed directly by Fannie & Freddie or to Fanny & Freddie themselves? It is ridiculous to insist that the subprime mortgages themselves must do all the damage if we are to credit the CRA for the problem. If a guy blows up a dam (as Clinton did by distorting the market) then we blame him, not the water that he releases, for doing all the further and larger damage downstream.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
The website shows I have one by me, but the only thing there is a pharmacy, optomologist, and a bank....... Woodfern???? Woodgreen???? something like that.. Now they could be running it out of the womens bathroom and I wouldn't know it, cause I can't go in there!!!! LOL......
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
Padlock...are you this fucking stupid? I TOLD you what was going on at Accubank. Like you, they hated niggers and spics. Period.
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Pardon my jumping in here, but I agree 100% with Stone in this case.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
And many Democrats have been outspoken in their criticism of Obama for his actions in Libya. a) 0bama certainly did schedule a pull out. b) Few Dems have been outspoken in their criticism of 0bama, and IF they have, it's been barely a whisper compared to the cacophony of screeching criticism of Bush for the same thing. The hypocrisy and lies of Bamster and the Dems has been rife.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
You may want to review the "U.S.-Iraq Status of Forces Agreement" negotiated by the Bush administration and the Iraqi government in 2008. It calls for all U.S. troops to leave Iraq by the end of 2011. As of now, there are about 40,000 U.S. troops left in Iraq. Several high-profile Democrats have sharply criticized Obama, along with liberal bloggers and pundits. Examples include Reps. Jerrold Nadler (N.Y.), Donna Edwards (Md.), Mike Capuano (Mass.), Dennis Kucinich (Ohio), Maxine Waters (Calif.), Rob Andrews (N.J.), Sheila Jackson Lee (Texas), Barbara Lee (Calif.) and Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D.C.). Kucinich even called for Obama to be impeached. See: http://nation.foxnews.com/libya/2011/03/20/house-democrats-freak-out-after-obama-takes- military-action-libya#ixzz1JkLNlcop Can you point me to a single Republican who called for Bush to be impeached over invading Iraq? And speaking of "hypocrisy", with all these Republicans complaining over the cost of our involvement in Libya, can you point me to any of them who argued we should have paid for our war in Iraq?
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
I think it's because they feel what the hell are we doing there anyway??? There doesn't seem to be a goal or stategy for that matter.... I would imagine they also think why are we helping the rebels, when Obozo wouldn't even open his mouth to support the citizens of Iran when Amendenijad was slaughtering them in the streets...... Nothing foreign policy wise we've done in the last couple of years makes any sense..... Especially in the Middle East, if they don't get that area quieted down and get rid of the radicals the whole world will suffer for it.....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
I spoke of the Party as a whole. There are some good Republicans, I agree, but they are few and far between and have no real 'pull' when compared to the vast numbers of leftists/moderates. What makes me attack the Republican Party is that they pretend to be conservative as a whole, and they are not. They are left/moderate as a whole. There are some Democrats that are more conservative than some Republicans. Either way, to argue the merits of one Party over the other is like arguing which group of whores holds the most honor.
That's subjective, therefore debatable. But it's easy enough to tell which whores cost more, just compare prices.
LOL! True, can't argue with that. But the whores on both sides of the aisle cost too much to begin with. Arguing their individual merits beyond that is pointless if you just flat out don't have the money.
Are You that fucking stupid? Banks don't see color or ethnicity. They hate deadbeats. Period. And Clinton forced them to lend to deadbeats.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
You can imagine what it must be like for an American mother with a sick child and no insurance. But the big difference is in "Life threatening" illnesses (like cancer) and nice to have things like hip and joint replacement, and pacemakers..... If they think you're too old or too ill you won't get treatment...... At least here you still have a decent chance of getting the treatment you need and desire for the more serious things.... A certain class of people have a decent chance. As my well insured parents aged, they frequently had seek second opinions from doctors outside their network in order to get treatment. BTW, the problem with the DePuy implant (hip replacement) was identified in Europe because they actually collect data and track the effectiveness of treatments there.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
I would imagine some states are worse than others about that....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
In Accubanc's case, they saw niggers and spics. The case is so well documented only an asshole would argue otherwise. Exactly how much did they give to Ron Paul? And Clinton forced them to lend to deadbeats. I challenge you to post the % of those loans that went into default.
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It was Bush's neocon strategy to stir up the ME to root out terrorism. They know that as freedom takes root in Iraq, it will inspire millions across the Middle East to claim their liberty as well. And when the Middle East grows in democracy, prosperity, and hope, the terrorists will lose their sponsors, lose their recruits, and lose their hopes for turning that region into a base for attacks on America and our allies around the world. snip I said that America's mission in Iraq is to defeat an enemy and give strength to a friend - a free, representative government that is an ally in the war on terror, and a beacon of hope in a part of the world that is desperate for reform. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4632495.stm Mao said “A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another.” What did Bush and the GOP think "claiming their liberty" would look like in the Middle East? Ain't no use complaining that they didn't get their "embroidery and a dinner party" - that was never a rational expectation.
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand
And yet Republicans like Gingrich and Limbaugh were clamoring for the President to act before he did.
Since January 3, 2011, Republicans have controlled the power of the purse.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestIn all seriousness, you are right - the House, Senate and Presidency all share responsibility for the deficit.
#130. To: A K A Stone (#128)
#131. To: Liberator (#129)
Well 65, Dems did control both Houses, did they not?
House Republicans are guilty of being bamboozled into financing two fake wars and mostly responsible for the deficits we're incurred thus far.
OTOH, why hasn't 0bama pulled out of Iraq like he promised? And why aren't Dems pressuring him about it? Moreover, why are the Dems supporting the Nobel Peace Prize winning warmonger for his foray into Libya?
#132. To: CZ82 (#114)
#133. To: A K A Stone (#111)
I notice war didn't respond to your well made points
#134. To: CZ82 (#116)
Good little drone, believe them all you want....
#135. To: CZ82 (#133)
#136. To: war (#132)
For instance?
#137. To: CZ82 (#136)
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FDA regulation of existing and new drugs coming to the marketplace drives up prescription costs by 15-20%......
#138. To: A K A Stone (#124)
They aren't just as bad. There are elements of it that are just as bad. But there are also good Republicans. There are few to zero good democrats. I mean who wants to be a member of a party that funding planned parenthood abortions is a top priority?
#139. To: lucysmom (#138)
#140. To: war (#134)
Belgium has walk in clinics throughout the nation and, if a clinic is not open, there are a number of "emergency centers" that will take walk-ins. Also, Belgium, France, Italy and Germany will allow pharmacies to dispense medicine for common affliction, conditions such as pink eye would probably qualify.
#141. To: war (#137)
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Every thing you listed, with the exception of podiatry, is optional coverage that can be negotiated to be provided by a policy. Not one of those is "mandated".
#142. To: CZ82 (#140)
That makes sense to do that, they should do more of that here. It really only takes "med techs" to diagnose and treat most minor illnesses.......
#143. To: A K A Stone (#142)
I bet Walmart could do a good job of treating minor ailments.
#144. To: A K A Stone (#139)
When you give money to an evil organization like Planned Murder it is for abortion. It frees up other funds. Quit pretending.
#145. To: All (#141)
New York requires every insurance policy sold there to cover podiatry. Acupuncture coverage is mandated in 11 states, massage therapy in four, osteopathy in 24, and chiropractors in 47. There are an estimated 1,800 or so such insurance “mandates” across the country, and the costs add up.
#146. To: A K A Stone (#139)
Also show me the constitutional authority of giving money to a group of Eugenics murderers.
#147. To: lucysmom (#146)
#148. To: All (#145)
Now that I've said that it got me to thinking about Massachusetts and RomneyCare, gotta look that one up......
#149. To: CZ82, A K A Stone (#143)
But you know just as well as I do the regulations won't allow that..... It's because of a pain in the ass little thing called "LAWYERS"......
#150. To: war (#137)
until you realize they make insurance so expensive that millions of people are exposed to financial ruin because they aren’t allowed to buy basic policies focused on catastrophic costs.
#151. To: go65 (#149)
Are you guys unaware that nany Walmarts already have medical clinics?
#152. To: go65 (#149)
Are you guys unaware that nany Walmarts already have medical clinics?
#153. To: war (#108)
#154. To: go65 (#149)
http://walmartstores.com/healthWellness/7613.aspx
#155. To: no gnu taxes (#153)
Clinton sued a lender named Accubank in 1998 under the CRA , forcing it a to write $2.1 billion in subprimes. Clinton then sued Columbia Mortgage in 1999, forcing it to write $6 billion in subprimes. You can see Clinton's Secretary of HUD (Andrew Cuomo) crowing about these "victories" on YouTube if you search just a bit.
#156. To: A K A Stone, lucysmom (#139)
When you give money to an evil organization like Planned Murder it is for abortion. It frees up other funds. Quit pretending.
#157. To: go65 (#131)
Our withdrawal from Iraq is still scheduled for completion by the date negotiated by the Bush administration. Obama never promised an immediate pullout.
#158. To: Liberator (#157)
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a) 0bama certainly did schedule a pull out.
b) Few Dems have been outspoken in their criticism of 0bama, and IF they have, it's been barely a whisper compared to the cacophony of screeching criticism of Bush for the same thing. The hypocrisy and lies of Bamster and the Dems has been rife.
#159. To: go65 (#158)
And speaking of "hypocrisy", with all these Republicans complaining over the cost of our involvement in Libya,
#160. To: A K A Stone, All (#124)
But there are also good Republicans. There are few to zero good democrats.
#161. To: We The People (#160)
is like arguing which group of whores holds the most honor
#162. To: Happy Quanzaa (#161)
But it's easy enough to tell which whores cost more, just compare prices.
#163. To: war (#155)
are you this fucking stupid
#164. To: CZ82 (#140)
But when your wife is freaking out well what can you say, she had to go "right" then....
#165. To: lucysmom (#164)
A certain class of people have a decent chance. As my well insured parents aged, they frequently had seek second opinions from doctors outside their network in order to get treatment.
#166. To: no gnu taxes (#163)
Banks don't see color or ethnicity.
#167. To: CZ82 (#159)
Nothing foreign policy wise we've done in the last couple of years makes any sense..... Especially in the Middle East, if they don't get that area quieted down and get rid of the radicals the whole world will suffer for it.....
#168. To: CZ82 (#159)
I think it's because they feel what the hell are we doing there anyway??? There doesn't seem to be a goal or stategy for that matter....
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