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Title: Why we can't tax ourselves out of the deficit problem
Source: American Thinker
URL Source: http://.
Published: Apr 5, 2011
Author: Steve McCann
Post Date: 2011-04-05 17:56:18 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 92915
Comments: 113

Why we can't tax ourselves out of the deficit problem

Steve McCann

Yesterday I was in the belly of the beast: Washington D.C. At a lunch meeting, which included a number of liberal Democrats, the inevitable subject of the runaway spending and debt came up, particularly in light of Paul Ryan issuing a budget which would go a long way toward curing our financial ills. While I and others extolled the positive economic effects of dramatically reducing government spending, those on the other side refused to come off the mantra of all we have to do is raise taxes on the rich and that will solve nearly all our problems.

Admittedly, all of those who were in that camp were, you guessed it, lifelong government bureaucrats. I forcefully made the case that raising taxes on the rich would not generate anywhere near the revenue they thought, or even make a dent in the deficit, and would in fact end up reducing revenue and killing job creation. The argument fell on deaf ears. So, having done the research on the issue in the past based on numbers from their fellow bureaucrats in the IRS, I told them I would forward the details.

I am doing so through the American Thinker in a devious attempt to not only get their attention but to ruin their day by forcing them to see and hopefully read the articles and blog entries.

The data is contained on the following IRS site: Section: Tax Generated; subsection; Tax rate and size of Adjusted Gross Income (2008): Table 3.5 (The table is here)

The tax year of 2008 was the last to date that the IRS has done this kind of analysis. In 2008 the highest marginal tax rate of 35% applied to all AGI above $357,700.00. In that year the total amount of AGI subject to the highest rate was $622.8 Billion. The government collected in taxes $218.0 Billion (35%).

In 2011 the annual budget deficit will be nearly $1,665.0 Billion and in 2012: $1,100.0 Billion. If the Liberal Democrats in league with the Socialists, the Unions and the Communists, succeed in raising the highest marginal rate, how much more would Washington D.C. receive, assuming no change in behavior and a general eagerness to pay more?

If the highest rate of 35% were raised by a factor of 20% to 42%, then the additional tax revenue would be $43.5 Billion, not much of a dent in $1,665.0 Billion. So, let's raise the rate by a factor of 50% to 52.5%; the additional revenue would be $108.9 Billion. Still nowhere near enough, so let's just tax it at a rate of 100%, bringing in an additional $404.8 Billion. Unfortunately the country is still $1,260.0 Billion in the hole for the year.

Obviously by confiscating at 100% of all the income of the so-called rich above a predetermined level, there would never again be an incentive to earn above the highest tax rate threshold. So where will the Left have to turn next: where the money is, the middle class.

The Left knows the gullible among us (other Lefties) easily fall for centuries-old class warfare rhetoric that demonizes the wealthy, yet they persist in doing the unconscionable, as it keeps them in power despite the fact that it enflames passions and in some cases, violence.

What the Democrats are doing is entirely based on a lie. The United States cannot tax its way out of the present financial crisis, and from a cursory examination of Paul Ryan's proposal, his is the best plan yet presented and needs to be defended and promoted.

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#28. To: We The People (#27)

Well, if it were my decision, I would end them, bring the troops home.

Well, it's not your decision, so someone has to pay for them. How?

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-04-06   13:44:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: war (#8)

It HAS to be paid. And the only way it will be paid is with revenues.

Then cut taxes and regulations on businesses and manufacturing. Stop holding them back and allow them to produce.

There is no way out of this mess that isn't going to be painful. It's the price we pay for letting it get this far.

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   13:44:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Skip Intro (#28)

Well, it's not your decision, so someone has to pay for them. How?

First, we MUST end them. If you're bleeding, cleaning the wound will not save your life. You have to stop the bleeding.

Then, just as above, take the shackles off of our economy and allow businesses to produce. Stop printing new money, cut taxes and drastically CUT spending.

Surely you can agree that our government should live within its means, like you and I have to do?

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   13:56:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: We The People (#30)

First, we MUST end them. If you're bleeding, cleaning the wound will not save your life. You have to stop the bleeding.

Well, that's what Obama said he'd do, and we all know how well that worked out. From what I see, the Republican candidates not only want to keep the wars we've got, they want to start more.

So, I don't see them ending any time soon.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-04-06   14:00:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: war (#25)

Hilarious that these Bots bitch about Obama's alleged lack of experience when all this guy has been doing for most of his life is fitting people for contact and corrective lenses.

Do you even know the difference between an ophthalmologist and an optometrist?

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-04-06   14:04:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: We The People (#30)

Then, just as above, take the shackles off of our economy and allow businesses to produce. Stop printing new money, cut taxes and drastically CUT spending.

What shackles? Schackles like clean air and water regs? Child labor laws and the minimum wage?

ANY money that is borrowed is "printing" money. IN point of fact, one reason for the creation of the Federal Reserve was so that "common folk" COULD borrow money.

The middle class in this nation exists partly because of some of those "shackles".

I'm not lumping you in this but I am always so struck ny the iropny of the GOP...they romaticize the American Family and "middle class values" while doing everything in their power, once attained, to destroy them.

Progressives created the middle class and they fought conservatives every step of the way while doing so.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   14:06:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: no gnu taxes (#32)

Yes, nigger, I do.

Better one?

Better two?

Clearer one?

Clearer two?

versus

Here...let me clean those for you...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Of the above, who is more qualified to be POTUS.

The correct answer, not that I'd expect a nigger like you to understand, is "neither".

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   14:08:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: war (#33)

What shackles? Schackles like clean air and water regs? Child labor laws and the minimum wage?

Yes, those shackles, and many more.

ANY money that is borrowed is "printing" money.

Then stop borrowing and spending. Like I said, there IS NO EASY WAY OUT. There is no magic wand and no magician can pull us out of this debt. We have to do it and we have to do what it takes to get it done. If we don't what's our alternative? We simply can't tax our way out of this debt.

Progressives created the middle class and they fought conservatives every step of the way while doing so.

:o|

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   14:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: war (#34)

Better one?

Better two?

Clearer one?

Clearer two?

versus

Here...let me clean those for you...

You obviously don't.

One is a medical doctor. One is not.

Paul's specialty was performing cataract and glaucoma surgeries; not that I am any big fan of his anyway.

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-04-06   14:11:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: no gnu taxes (#36)

Whatever, (deleted you f**king moron)

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   14:12:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: war (#33)

I'm not lumping you in this but I am always so struck ny the iropny of the GOP...they romaticize the American Family and "middle class values" while doing everything in their power, once attained, to destroy them.

That's why I'm not GOP. But it's not just the GOP. I'm always struck by the irony of you who promote ONE party over the other, when BOTH parties are to blame. I KNOW you're more intelligent than that.

The Democrat party is absolutely as much to blame as the Pubs. Congress is made up of both, and it's taken both to get us here.

Crazy deficit spending, free trade agreements, endless war, the list goes on and on...all fault lies squarely on the shoulders of 536 people, made up of D's and R's.

Hang them all. THEN we'll figure out how to recover.

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   14:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: We The People (#38)

Crazy deficit spending, free trade agreements, endless war, the list goes on and on...all fault lies squarely on the shoulders of 536 people, made up of D's and R's.

I believe that the GOP has been the most destructive to his nation's national Security and fiscal and economics health.

I stated back in 2008, that of all the candidates running, only Hillary Clinton had the balls to do what needed to be done to get this house in order. I still believe that.

The GITMO mess wouldn't have happened...we'd be out of Iraq and we'd have only a merc/special forces presence in Afghanistan.

Fiscally, taxes would have been properly restored to the levels of the 1990's when revenue growth was the most optimal in post WWII history [inflation adjusted].

You can't elect idealogues or people who are just along for the ride...it's why Obama, unless he finds a different stride, will not succeed. It's whay Boy Blunder was an abject failure.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   14:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: war (#39)

I believe that the GOP has been the most destructive to his nation's national Security and fiscal and economics health.

I'm surprised to read that.

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   14:30:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: We The People (#35) (Edited)

..We simply can't tax our way out of this debt.

Not advocating that we do.

But cutting alone isn't going to do it and some tax rates are too low.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   14:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: We The People (#40) (Edited)

Think about it...who made using the military in the mideast not only a optipn but a reality?

More debt has been amassed under GOP POTUSes...the most fiscally irresponsible era of my lifetime was most of the 8 years under Boy Blunder...

This was in Boy Blunder's first budget message...

It will retire nearly $1 trillion in debt over the next four years. This will be the largest debt reduction ever achieved by any nation at any time. It achieves the maximum amount of debt reduction possible without payment of wasteful premiums. It will reduce the indebtedness of the United States, relative to our national income, to the lowest level since early in the 20th Century and to the lowest level of any of the largest industrial economies.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   14:44:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: war (#41)

.We simply can't tax our way out of this debt.

Not advocating that we do.

But cutting alone isn't going to do it and some tax rates are too low.

If we could drastically cut spending, and I do mean drastically, I wouldn't oppose some temporary tax increases. Though I do not feel that I should have to pay more to get out of a mess that I didn't create.

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   14:54:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: war (#42) (Edited)

Think about it...who made using the military in the mideast not only a optipn but a reality?

Congress. They could have said no and would have been absolutely within their scope of power. Not to say Bush and his administration don't hold major fault too.

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   14:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: We The People, war (#38)

I'm always struck by the irony of you who promote ONE party over the other, when BOTH parties are to blame. I KNOW you're more intelligent than that.

Your observation is what strikes most of us who "know" war - he is indeed one of the dumbest "intelligent" posters out there. He's got blind spot the size of Michele 0bama's azz.

Like all good little leftists and limousine liberals, he refuses to blame 0bama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats for anything. It's they who are creating most of the damage to the country with their Commie/Statist agenda, lunacy, and fedgov-on-crack fascism.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   15:11:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Liberator (#45)

Like all good little leftists and limousine liberals, he refuses to blame 0bama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats for anything.

What do you want me to blame them for, Libby?

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   15:12:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: war (#46) (Edited)

What do you want me to blame them for

"Crazy deficit spending, free trade agreements, endless war, the list goes on and on......"

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...?ArtNum=19323&Disp=38#C38

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   15:16:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: war (#42)

More debt has been amassed under GOP POTUSes...the most fiscally irresponsible era of my lifetime was most of the 8 years under Boy Blunder...

Most of the damage and cratering has been facilitated since 2007 when the Pelosi-Reid Dem Congress took over the purse-strings. Do the math, Pythagoras.

As to Bush, his deficit was created largely by a war that he created, BUT was also backed by most Dems. Dubya also caved to a socialist Dem-style agenda of domestic issues.

Why don't you ever blame 0bama or the Dems, again? tick-tick-tick....

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   15:17:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Liberator (#48)

Most of the damage and cratering has been facilitated since 2007

Bullshit.

Two main events courtesy of a GOP controlled Congress and WH...the tax cuts and the HUD decision to allow banks to increase sub-prime lending caused the damage. Those occurred several years before Reid/Pelosi. The mortgage market had already begun to implode in 2006 and banks were trying to hide the bleeding.

Revenue growth was anemic in that decade. The Dems forced Boy Blunder to put more of his war spending ON budget.

Don't expect to be able to get away with re-writing history...

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   15:24:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: war (#46)

What do you want me to blame them for, Libby?

Nevermind. 0bama and the Dems have created no actual cluster*** out there. No sh*tstorm...

Go back to zipping up your lycra onesey for the Big Race - sorry to have disturb you.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   15:33:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Liberator (#50)

Typical of you Libby.

BoyBlunder did no wrong.

You forget WHY the dems took the COngress back in '06 and why Boy Blunder almost LOST the WH in '04 to the weakest candidate the dems could have run.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   15:37:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: war (#49)

Two main events courtesy of a GOP controlled Congress and WH...the tax cuts and the HUD decision to allow banks to increase sub-prime lending caused the damage. Those occurred several years before Reid/Pelosi...

The mortgage market had already begun to implode in 2006 and banks were trying to hide the bleeding. Don't expect to be able to get away with re-writing history...

Huh?? Tax cuts help ruin the economy instead of runaway fedgov spending??

Chyeah, right.

The sub-prime....hmmm....Do the names Dodd, Frank, Waters, Gorelick and Franklin Raines ring a bell? Or "Clinton"?

Sure, Bush was a moron, but Barney Frank and the above RATS got away with his "WHAT housing bubble??" BS and is still getting away with it. Fannie and Freddie are still asking the public for money, the economy is still in the toilet and you and the Democratic Party are still conveniently blaming Dubya.

This depression has waaaay more to do with the policies of the liberal-socialist Democrats.

In 1997 Clinton's HUD secretary, a Andrew Cuomo claimed Fannie Mae had exhibited "racial discrimination" and proposed that 50 percent of Fannie and Freddie loan portfolio be made up of loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers by 2001. Bush went along with it - backed by the RAT committee members.

Asshole queer Congressfag, Barney Fwank: “These two entities – Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – are not facing any kind of financial crisis....The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

Are you going to claim ignorance, war? Or are you really just in denial?

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   15:48:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: war (#51) (Edited)

Typical of you Libby.

BoyBlunder did no wrong.

He did a LOT wrong because he's been a liberal-moderate neocon from the very beginning. But mostly because he acted like a Dem Prez.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   15:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: war (#49)

The Dems forced Boy Blunder to put more of his war spending ON budget.

However it all shook out, the Dems got more of what they wanted out of Dubya then what conservatives (NOT RINO neocons) wanted. Since 2007 your beloved Dem-Commie Party burst EVERY bubble they could.

You can spin the sh*t anyway you want; Bubba set the table with his mortgage- housing plan to finance the loans of deadbeats and illegals, Dubya went along with it until it was obvious the course was going over the cliff. Then Frank, Dodd, Raines ($90 million windfall) and Gorelick ($25 bonus) and the rest of the liars and traitors covered up the charade and screwed us all with their Sgt. Schultz "I-see-nothing!" impressions.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   15:58:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: war (#51) (Edited)

You forget WHY the dems took the COngress back in '06...

You mean besides cheating and fudging the numbers in urban districts?

Bush and the RINO-dominated GOP Congress legislated like Dems - that pissed off a rather large sector of conservatives. Dems were NOT expected to do anything constructive other than the usual - implementing one socialist/fascist piece of legislation after another.

.... and why Boy Blunder almost LOST the WH in '04 to the weakest candidate the dems could have run.

Bush won over the Fraud Kerry because fed-up conservatives voted for the lesser-of-evils. Can you list a single accomplish of 0bama (I mean other than confiscating wealth and shooting hoops as the rest of us watch helplessly as 0bama's wartime economy shatters into a million pieces?)

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   16:05:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Liberator (#52)

Tax cuts help ruin the economy

Does debt and deficts help ruin the economy or not, Libby? Make up your mind...

In 1997 Clinton's HUD secretary, a Andrew Cuomo claimed Fannie Mae had exhibited "racial discrimination" and proposed that 50 percent of Fannie and Freddie loan portfolio be made up of loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers by 2001.

The program that was implemented during the Clinton Adminstration had a very narrow set of criteria:

1) Only fixed rate mortgages would be issued.

2) Each mortgage would have to carry PMI regardless of the down payment.

3) Only people with 5 years steady and provable employment history would qualify.

Most of the bank issued sub prime mortgages that failed in the financial crisis were written under the 2003 expansion of HUD guidlines

In 2003, Boy Blunder's HUD expanded the guidelines to offer floating rate products, liar loans, 0 down mortgages etc etc ect. They also allowed developers to snap up lots in "depressed" areas and got CRA loans to spec build 2 and 3 family homes.

Here's The Bank Issued Part of the Sub Prime Crisis in one document issued in 2002 and implemented from '03 to '05.

See also: http://www.h uduser.org/portal/publications/hisp_homeown3.pdf

Timeline of Financial Crisis

Fall 2005-Spring 2007

 Fall 2005: growth of housing bubble slows

 Summer 2006: housing prices begin to decline

 Winter 2006: default rates on lower-rated subprime

private mortgage-backed securities (PMBS) begin exceeding normally expected rates in a deflating bubble

 Spring 2007: abnormal default rates cause prices of AAArated PMBS to steeply decline

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   16:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Liberator (#55)

You mean besides cheating and fudging the number in urban districts?

Please Libby...I don;t need to be reminded of your tenuous grip of reality in EACH of your responses...every 5th or 6th will do.

you list a single accomplish of 0bama

Last I looked we are no longer bleeding 700K jobs a month.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   16:08:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: no gnu taxes, AKA Stone, war, lucysmom, Skip Intro (#9) (Edited)

Why don't you ask the nigger? He's the one authorizing this at this point.

Later stone. If you want to run the KKK's unofficial website that's your call but at this point staying here with racist kooks is self soiling.

Please delete my account.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-04-06   16:12:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: war (#56)

Does debt and deficts help ruin the economy or not, Libby? Make up your mind...

Ok - Economics 101: You DO know you can't spend more than incoming revenue....right??

You DO know that 0bama is obliterating the economy purposely, right? That he purposely crippled US oil production....right??

The program that was implemented during the Clinton Adminstration had a very narrow set of criteria:

1) Only fixed rate mortgages would be issued.

2) Each mortgage would have to carry PMI regardless of the down payment.

3) Only people with 5 years steady and provable employment history would qualify.

Funny how that criteteria changed under the tutelage of Raines and Gorelick and Dod and Waters and Frank, eh?

You still refuse to admit and implicate the above RATS...WHY??

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   16:13:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Liberator (#59) (Edited)

Funny how that criteteria changed under the tutelage of Raines and Gorelick and Dod and Waters and Frank, eh?

None of them ran HUD.

You don't know how the mortgage market operates, do you?

FN and FM make loans...true or false?

The rest of your post is more of your bizarre CT bullshit that plays well on 4UM.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   16:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: war (#57)

you list a single accomplish of 0bama

Last I looked we are no longer bleeding 700K jobs a month.

No...we were HEMORRHAGING.

Serving Burgers don't replace factory, tech and service jobs, do they?

The ONLY sector of job growth is predictable - in goobermint.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   16:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Liberator (#61)

Serving Burgers don't replace factory, tech and service jobs, do they?

Manufacturing jobs have risen under Obama. Government jobs have gone down under Obama.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   16:16:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: war (#60)

None of them ran HUD....

STILL not going to assuage any blame for the shitty economy and housing trainwreck on the Dems, eh?

The lack of intellectual honesty is what prevents you from being taken seriously.

The rest of your post is more of your bizarre CT bullshit that plays well on 4UM.

Why not say, "UNCLE!!!"?

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   16:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Liberator (#63)

STILL not going to assuage any blame for the shitty economy and housing trainwreck on the Dems, eh?

It wasn't the dems who mandated the 25% LMI, Libby.

Apparently not.
Inarticulate Insights,
By Boofer

war  posted on  2011-04-06   16:22:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: war (#56)

Still peddling your bullshit/

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Three Ways The CRA Pushed Countrywide To Lower Lending Standards

When we discuss the role of the Community Reinvestment Act and other fair lending rules in contributing to lax lending standards, people bent on exonerating the CRA often point out that many of the questionable loans were made by non-depository mortgage companies not covered by the CRA.

Barry Ritholtz has been a prominent critic of the theory that the CRA has some culpability for lax lending. He has pointed out that 50% of subprime loans were made by mortgage service companies not subject comprehensive federal supervision. “How was this caused by either CRA or GSEs?” Barry asked.

As much as I respect Barry’s formidable analytical powers, I’m afraid he’s taken too narrow of the view of the matter. His question is far easier to answer than he suspects. Regulations often touch those who are not directly regulated. Indeed, the regulation of one group in a marketplace will almost always wind up affecting other groups.

More concretely, there are three very specific ways in which the CRA nudged Countrywide and other mortgage companies to adopt lax lending standards.

1. The Creation Of Artificial Demand For Low-Income Mortgages. Banks that were regulated by the CRA often found it difficult to meet their obligations under the CRA directly. Long standing lending practices by local loan officers were a big problem. But as banks expanded their deposit bases and other businesses, they often found that they were at risk of regulators discovering they had fallen behind in making CRA loans.

One way of addressing this problem was buying the loans in the secondary market. Mortgage companies like Countrywide began to serve this entirely artificial demand for CRA loans. Countrywide marketed its loans directly to banks as a way for them to meet CRA obligations. "The result of these efforts is an enormous pipeline of mortgages to low- and moderate-income buyers. With this pipeline, Countrywide Securities Corporation (CSC) can potentially help you meet your Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) goals by offering both whole loan and mortgage-backed securities that are eligible for CRA credit,” a Countrywide advertisement on its website read.

2. The Threat Of Regulation Is Often As Good As Regulation. It is highly misleading to claim that just because mortgage companies were not technically under the CRA that they were not required by regulators to meet similar tests. In fact, regulators threatened that if the mortgage companies didn’t step up to the plate by relaxing lending standards they would be brought under the CRA umbrella and required to do so.

Here’s how City Journal explains the dynamic:

To meet their goals, the two mortgage giants enlisted large lenders—including nonbanks, which weren’t covered by the CRA—into the effort. Freddie Mac began an “alternative qualifying” program with the Sears Mortgage Corporation that let a borrower qualify for a loan with a monthly payment as high as 50 percent of his income, at a time when most private mortgage companies wouldn’t exceed 33 percent. The program also allowed borrowers with bad credit to get mortgages if they took credit-counseling classes administered by Acorn and other nonprofits. Subsequent research would show that such classes have little impact on default rates.

Pressuring nonbank lenders to make more loans to poor minorities didn’t stop with Sears. If it didn’t happen, Clinton officials warned, they’d seek to extend CRA regulations to all mortgage makers. In Congress, Representative Maxine Waters called financial firms not covered by the CRA “among the most egregious redliners.” To rebuff the criticism, the Mortgage Bankers Association (MBA) shocked the financial world by signing a 1994 agreement with the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), pledging to increase lending to minorities and join in new efforts to rewrite lending standards. The first MBA member to sign up: Countrywide Financial, the mortgage firm that would be at the core of the subprime meltdown.

3. The CRA Distorted the Mortgage Market. With banks offering mortgages with high loan to value, delayed payment schedules and other enticing features, the mortgage companies would have quickly found themselves unable to compete if they didn’t offer similar loans. The requirement to offer risky loans from banks created a situation where other lenders found they had to offer similar products if they wanted to expand their business.

Of course, Angelo Mozillo didn't need very much prompting on this score. He believed exactly what the CRA regulators believed: that these lax lending practices were the wave of the future, democratizing the glories of home ownership.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/three-ways-the-cra-pushed-countrywide-to-lower-lending-standards-2009-6#ixzz1ImCNUB66

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-04-06   16:24:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Liberator (#63)

Why not say, "UNCLE!!!"?

You claim that Obama is deliberately crashing the economy and the oil market but I',m the one who should cry UNCLE?!?

ROFLMAO...

Apparently not.
Inarticulate Insights,
By Boofer

war  posted on  2011-04-06   16:25:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: war (#41)

But cutting alone isn't going to do it and some tax rates are too low.

You could make every EMPLOYED persons tax rate in this country 100% and still not touch "THIS YEARS DEFICIT" of $1.66 TRILLION, much less pay on the debt......

So the only other answer is to increase revenue through lower unemployment, growing business and increased trade......

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-06   16:26:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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