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Title: Why we can't tax ourselves out of the deficit problem
Source: American Thinker
URL Source: http://.
Published: Apr 5, 2011
Author: Steve McCann
Post Date: 2011-04-05 17:56:18 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 92649
Comments: 113

Why we can't tax ourselves out of the deficit problem

Steve McCann

Yesterday I was in the belly of the beast: Washington D.C. At a lunch meeting, which included a number of liberal Democrats, the inevitable subject of the runaway spending and debt came up, particularly in light of Paul Ryan issuing a budget which would go a long way toward curing our financial ills. While I and others extolled the positive economic effects of dramatically reducing government spending, those on the other side refused to come off the mantra of all we have to do is raise taxes on the rich and that will solve nearly all our problems.

Admittedly, all of those who were in that camp were, you guessed it, lifelong government bureaucrats. I forcefully made the case that raising taxes on the rich would not generate anywhere near the revenue they thought, or even make a dent in the deficit, and would in fact end up reducing revenue and killing job creation. The argument fell on deaf ears. So, having done the research on the issue in the past based on numbers from their fellow bureaucrats in the IRS, I told them I would forward the details.

I am doing so through the American Thinker in a devious attempt to not only get their attention but to ruin their day by forcing them to see and hopefully read the articles and blog entries.

The data is contained on the following IRS site: Section: Tax Generated; subsection; Tax rate and size of Adjusted Gross Income (2008): Table 3.5 (The table is here)

The tax year of 2008 was the last to date that the IRS has done this kind of analysis. In 2008 the highest marginal tax rate of 35% applied to all AGI above $357,700.00. In that year the total amount of AGI subject to the highest rate was $622.8 Billion. The government collected in taxes $218.0 Billion (35%).

In 2011 the annual budget deficit will be nearly $1,665.0 Billion and in 2012: $1,100.0 Billion. If the Liberal Democrats in league with the Socialists, the Unions and the Communists, succeed in raising the highest marginal rate, how much more would Washington D.C. receive, assuming no change in behavior and a general eagerness to pay more?

If the highest rate of 35% were raised by a factor of 20% to 42%, then the additional tax revenue would be $43.5 Billion, not much of a dent in $1,665.0 Billion. So, let's raise the rate by a factor of 50% to 52.5%; the additional revenue would be $108.9 Billion. Still nowhere near enough, so let's just tax it at a rate of 100%, bringing in an additional $404.8 Billion. Unfortunately the country is still $1,260.0 Billion in the hole for the year.

Obviously by confiscating at 100% of all the income of the so-called rich above a predetermined level, there would never again be an incentive to earn above the highest tax rate threshold. So where will the Left have to turn next: where the money is, the middle class.

The Left knows the gullible among us (other Lefties) easily fall for centuries-old class warfare rhetoric that demonizes the wealthy, yet they persist in doing the unconscionable, as it keeps them in power despite the fact that it enflames passions and in some cases, violence.

What the Democrats are doing is entirely based on a lie. The United States cannot tax its way out of the present financial crisis, and from a cursory examination of Paul Ryan's proposal, his is the best plan yet presented and needs to be defended and promoted.

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#1. To: CZ82 (#0)

While I and others extolled the positive economic effects of dramatically reducing government spending, those on the other side refused to come off the mantra of all we have to do is raise taxes on the rich and that will solve nearly all our problems.

That certainly isn't true in California. Governor Brown has proposed a combination of budget cuts and keeping in place taxes due to expire, not new taxes.

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-05   18:21:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: CZ82 (#0)

Taxes need to be raised...period.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-05   18:24:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: war (#2)

Taxes need to be raised...period.

Then volunteer to pay more.....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-05   18:27:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: CZ82 (#0) (Edited)

This is really simple:

Average Post-WWII Federal Budget
Spending: 20% of GDP
Taxes: 18% of GDP

Last year of the Clinton Administration
Spending: 19% of GDP
Taxes: 19% of GDP

Today
Spending: 25% of GDP
Taxes: ~18% of GDP

The politicians have a spending problem. PERIOD.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-04-05   18:40:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: jwpegler (#4)

The politicians have a spending problem. PERIOD.

You know you shouldn't post things like this, it just enrages the Libtards... They'll start having heart attacks.....

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-05   18:53:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: war (#2)

Taxes need to be raised...period.

It's official, you have now left the building.

We The People  posted on  2011-04-05   20:41:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: We The People (#6)

It's official, you have now left the building.

I'm curious. How do you propose we pay for three simultaneous wars?

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-04-05   20:44:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: We The People (#6)

The entire first decade of 21st century was one of the worst in terms of revenue growth.

Sorry but this 50 year plan to pay down debt is insane. You could cut spending in half and still have this debt.

It HAS to be paid. And the only way it will be paid is with revenues.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-05   20:46:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Skip Intro (#7)

I'm curious. How do you propose we pay for three simultaneous wars?

Why don't you ask the nigger? He's the one authorizing this at this point.

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-04-05   20:47:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: CZ82 (#3)

Then volunteer to pay more.....

That's the problem...all of you want this resolved without a solution...

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-05   20:47:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: no gnu taxes (#9)

Why don't you ask the nigger?

Fine.

How do you propose we pay for three simultaneous wars?

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-05   20:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: war (#11)

I'll be damned. I didn't know the asshole was still here.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-04-05   20:51:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: war (#2)

Taxes need to be raised...period.

Yeah they need to tax welfare benefits.

They need to tax people who don't pay any taxes.

They need to cut all unconstitutional social spending.

That wont happen until we have an American President.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-05   20:54:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#13)

They need to tax people who don't pay any taxes.

You want to tax corporations? They're people too, according to the Supreme Court.

Won't they just pass those taxes along to us?

Of course, if they do that, then everybody would be paying taxes, which negates your argument of taxing people who don't pay taxes, since everyone pays the taxes the corporations don't.

And I agree; welfare should be taxed. So should tax cuts. It makes just as much sense.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-04-05   20:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: war (#11)

Why don't you ask the nigger?

Fine.

How do you propose we pay for three simultaneous wars?

Anybody with any sense knows that the wars are not the main fiscal concern in this Country.

But if you think it is, you should probably petition Mandingo Obambo to do something about it.

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-04-05   20:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: no gnu taxes (#15)

C'mon nigger,..answer my question...

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-05   21:30:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: war (#8)

It HAS to be paid. And the only way it will be paid is with revenues.

So if the unemployment rate was only say 3-4%, wouldn't that mean more revenues and less spending all rolled up into one........

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-05   21:46:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: CZ82 (#17)

You cut government spending in half and you're going to have higher unemployment not lower.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-05   22:16:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: war (#16)

C'mon nigger,..answer my question...

Looks like the nigger has left the building.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-04-05   22:18:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Skip Intro (#14)

You want to tax corporations? They're people too, according to the Supreme Court.

Won't they just pass those taxes along to us?

Of course, if they do that, then everybody would be paying taxes, which negates your argument of taxing people who don't pay taxes, since everyone pays the taxes the corporations don't.

And I agree; welfare should be taxed. So should tax cuts. It makes just as much sense.

It would be an interesting idea. To repeal Nafta, Gatt and the UN. Then only tax corporations and have tariffs on foreign goods.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-05   22:18:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)

To repeal Nafta, Gatt and the UN.

Got any names of Republicans who are in favor of that?

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-04-05   22:20:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Skip Intro (#21)

Rand Paul 2012

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-05   22:21:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#22)

Rand Paul 2012

If he's the only one he doesn't have a prayer.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-04-05   22:22:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Skip Intro (#19)

Quick...hand me the Popeye's coupon...

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-05   22:23:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Skip Intro (#23)

Hilarious that these Bots bitch about Obama's alleged lack of experience when all this guy has been doing for most of his life is fitting people for contact and corrective lenses.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-05   22:25:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: no gnu taxes (#9)

Why don't you ask the nigger? He's the one authorizing this at this point.

Congress authorizes the money for the wars.

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-06   8:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Skip Intro (#7)

I'm curious. How do you propose we pay for three simultaneous wars?

Well, if it were my decision, I would end them, bring the troops home.

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   13:42:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: We The People (#27)

Well, if it were my decision, I would end them, bring the troops home.

Well, it's not your decision, so someone has to pay for them. How?

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-04-06   13:44:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: war (#8)

It HAS to be paid. And the only way it will be paid is with revenues.

Then cut taxes and regulations on businesses and manufacturing. Stop holding them back and allow them to produce.

There is no way out of this mess that isn't going to be painful. It's the price we pay for letting it get this far.

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   13:44:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Skip Intro (#28)

Well, it's not your decision, so someone has to pay for them. How?

First, we MUST end them. If you're bleeding, cleaning the wound will not save your life. You have to stop the bleeding.

Then, just as above, take the shackles off of our economy and allow businesses to produce. Stop printing new money, cut taxes and drastically CUT spending.

Surely you can agree that our government should live within its means, like you and I have to do?

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   13:56:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: We The People (#30)

First, we MUST end them. If you're bleeding, cleaning the wound will not save your life. You have to stop the bleeding.

Well, that's what Obama said he'd do, and we all know how well that worked out. From what I see, the Republican candidates not only want to keep the wars we've got, they want to start more.

So, I don't see them ending any time soon.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-04-06   14:00:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: war (#25)

Hilarious that these Bots bitch about Obama's alleged lack of experience when all this guy has been doing for most of his life is fitting people for contact and corrective lenses.

Do you even know the difference between an ophthalmologist and an optometrist?

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-04-06   14:04:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: We The People (#30)

Then, just as above, take the shackles off of our economy and allow businesses to produce. Stop printing new money, cut taxes and drastically CUT spending.

What shackles? Schackles like clean air and water regs? Child labor laws and the minimum wage?

ANY money that is borrowed is "printing" money. IN point of fact, one reason for the creation of the Federal Reserve was so that "common folk" COULD borrow money.

The middle class in this nation exists partly because of some of those "shackles".

I'm not lumping you in this but I am always so struck ny the iropny of the GOP...they romaticize the American Family and "middle class values" while doing everything in their power, once attained, to destroy them.

Progressives created the middle class and they fought conservatives every step of the way while doing so.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   14:06:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: no gnu taxes (#32)

Yes, nigger, I do.

Better one?

Better two?

Clearer one?

Clearer two?

versus

Here...let me clean those for you...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Of the above, who is more qualified to be POTUS.

The correct answer, not that I'd expect a nigger like you to understand, is "neither".

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   14:08:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: war (#33)

What shackles? Schackles like clean air and water regs? Child labor laws and the minimum wage?

Yes, those shackles, and many more.

ANY money that is borrowed is "printing" money.

Then stop borrowing and spending. Like I said, there IS NO EASY WAY OUT. There is no magic wand and no magician can pull us out of this debt. We have to do it and we have to do what it takes to get it done. If we don't what's our alternative? We simply can't tax our way out of this debt.

Progressives created the middle class and they fought conservatives every step of the way while doing so.

:o|

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   14:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: war (#34)

Better one?

Better two?

Clearer one?

Clearer two?

versus

Here...let me clean those for you...

You obviously don't.

One is a medical doctor. One is not.

Paul's specialty was performing cataract and glaucoma surgeries; not that I am any big fan of his anyway.

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-04-06   14:11:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: no gnu taxes (#36)

Whatever, (deleted you f**king moron)

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   14:12:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: war (#33)

I'm not lumping you in this but I am always so struck ny the iropny of the GOP...they romaticize the American Family and "middle class values" while doing everything in their power, once attained, to destroy them.

That's why I'm not GOP. But it's not just the GOP. I'm always struck by the irony of you who promote ONE party over the other, when BOTH parties are to blame. I KNOW you're more intelligent than that.

The Democrat party is absolutely as much to blame as the Pubs. Congress is made up of both, and it's taken both to get us here.

Crazy deficit spending, free trade agreements, endless war, the list goes on and on...all fault lies squarely on the shoulders of 536 people, made up of D's and R's.

Hang them all. THEN we'll figure out how to recover.

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   14:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: We The People (#38)

Crazy deficit spending, free trade agreements, endless war, the list goes on and on...all fault lies squarely on the shoulders of 536 people, made up of D's and R's.

I believe that the GOP has been the most destructive to his nation's national Security and fiscal and economics health.

I stated back in 2008, that of all the candidates running, only Hillary Clinton had the balls to do what needed to be done to get this house in order. I still believe that.

The GITMO mess wouldn't have happened...we'd be out of Iraq and we'd have only a merc/special forces presence in Afghanistan.

Fiscally, taxes would have been properly restored to the levels of the 1990's when revenue growth was the most optimal in post WWII history [inflation adjusted].

You can't elect idealogues or people who are just along for the ride...it's why Obama, unless he finds a different stride, will not succeed. It's whay Boy Blunder was an abject failure.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   14:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: war (#39)

I believe that the GOP has been the most destructive to his nation's national Security and fiscal and economics health.

I'm surprised to read that.

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   14:30:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: We The People (#35) (Edited)

..We simply can't tax our way out of this debt.

Not advocating that we do.

But cutting alone isn't going to do it and some tax rates are too low.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   14:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: We The People (#40) (Edited)

Think about it...who made using the military in the mideast not only a optipn but a reality?

More debt has been amassed under GOP POTUSes...the most fiscally irresponsible era of my lifetime was most of the 8 years under Boy Blunder...

This was in Boy Blunder's first budget message...

It will retire nearly $1 trillion in debt over the next four years. This will be the largest debt reduction ever achieved by any nation at any time. It achieves the maximum amount of debt reduction possible without payment of wasteful premiums. It will reduce the indebtedness of the United States, relative to our national income, to the lowest level since early in the 20th Century and to the lowest level of any of the largest industrial economies.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   14:44:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: war (#41)

.We simply can't tax our way out of this debt.

Not advocating that we do.

But cutting alone isn't going to do it and some tax rates are too low.

If we could drastically cut spending, and I do mean drastically, I wouldn't oppose some temporary tax increases. Though I do not feel that I should have to pay more to get out of a mess that I didn't create.

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   14:54:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: war (#42) (Edited)

Think about it...who made using the military in the mideast not only a optipn but a reality?

Congress. They could have said no and would have been absolutely within their scope of power. Not to say Bush and his administration don't hold major fault too.

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   14:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: We The People, war (#38)

I'm always struck by the irony of you who promote ONE party over the other, when BOTH parties are to blame. I KNOW you're more intelligent than that.

Your observation is what strikes most of us who "know" war - he is indeed one of the dumbest "intelligent" posters out there. He's got blind spot the size of Michele 0bama's azz.

Like all good little leftists and limousine liberals, he refuses to blame 0bama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats for anything. It's they who are creating most of the damage to the country with their Commie/Statist agenda, lunacy, and fedgov-on-crack fascism.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   15:11:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Liberator (#45)

Like all good little leftists and limousine liberals, he refuses to blame 0bama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats for anything.

What do you want me to blame them for, Libby?

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   15:12:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: war (#46) (Edited)

What do you want me to blame them for

"Crazy deficit spending, free trade agreements, endless war, the list goes on and on......"

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...?ArtNum=19323&Disp=38#C38

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   15:16:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: war (#42)

More debt has been amassed under GOP POTUSes...the most fiscally irresponsible era of my lifetime was most of the 8 years under Boy Blunder...

Most of the damage and cratering has been facilitated since 2007 when the Pelosi-Reid Dem Congress took over the purse-strings. Do the math, Pythagoras.

As to Bush, his deficit was created largely by a war that he created, BUT was also backed by most Dems. Dubya also caved to a socialist Dem-style agenda of domestic issues.

Why don't you ever blame 0bama or the Dems, again? tick-tick-tick....

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   15:17:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Liberator (#48)

Most of the damage and cratering has been facilitated since 2007

Bullshit.

Two main events courtesy of a GOP controlled Congress and WH...the tax cuts and the HUD decision to allow banks to increase sub-prime lending caused the damage. Those occurred several years before Reid/Pelosi. The mortgage market had already begun to implode in 2006 and banks were trying to hide the bleeding.

Revenue growth was anemic in that decade. The Dems forced Boy Blunder to put more of his war spending ON budget.

Don't expect to be able to get away with re-writing history...

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   15:24:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: war (#46)

What do you want me to blame them for, Libby?

Nevermind. 0bama and the Dems have created no actual cluster*** out there. No sh*tstorm...

Go back to zipping up your lycra onesey for the Big Race - sorry to have disturb you.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   15:33:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Liberator (#50)

Typical of you Libby.

BoyBlunder did no wrong.

You forget WHY the dems took the COngress back in '06 and why Boy Blunder almost LOST the WH in '04 to the weakest candidate the dems could have run.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   15:37:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: war (#49)

Two main events courtesy of a GOP controlled Congress and WH...the tax cuts and the HUD decision to allow banks to increase sub-prime lending caused the damage. Those occurred several years before Reid/Pelosi...

The mortgage market had already begun to implode in 2006 and banks were trying to hide the bleeding. Don't expect to be able to get away with re-writing history...

Huh?? Tax cuts help ruin the economy instead of runaway fedgov spending??

Chyeah, right.

The sub-prime....hmmm....Do the names Dodd, Frank, Waters, Gorelick and Franklin Raines ring a bell? Or "Clinton"?

Sure, Bush was a moron, but Barney Frank and the above RATS got away with his "WHAT housing bubble??" BS and is still getting away with it. Fannie and Freddie are still asking the public for money, the economy is still in the toilet and you and the Democratic Party are still conveniently blaming Dubya.

This depression has waaaay more to do with the policies of the liberal-socialist Democrats.

In 1997 Clinton's HUD secretary, a Andrew Cuomo claimed Fannie Mae had exhibited "racial discrimination" and proposed that 50 percent of Fannie and Freddie loan portfolio be made up of loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers by 2001. Bush went along with it - backed by the RAT committee members.

Asshole queer Congressfag, Barney Fwank: “These two entities – Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – are not facing any kind of financial crisis....The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

Are you going to claim ignorance, war? Or are you really just in denial?

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   15:48:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: war (#51) (Edited)

Typical of you Libby.

BoyBlunder did no wrong.

He did a LOT wrong because he's been a liberal-moderate neocon from the very beginning. But mostly because he acted like a Dem Prez.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   15:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: war (#49)

The Dems forced Boy Blunder to put more of his war spending ON budget.

However it all shook out, the Dems got more of what they wanted out of Dubya then what conservatives (NOT RINO neocons) wanted. Since 2007 your beloved Dem-Commie Party burst EVERY bubble they could.

You can spin the sh*t anyway you want; Bubba set the table with his mortgage- housing plan to finance the loans of deadbeats and illegals, Dubya went along with it until it was obvious the course was going over the cliff. Then Frank, Dodd, Raines ($90 million windfall) and Gorelick ($25 bonus) and the rest of the liars and traitors covered up the charade and screwed us all with their Sgt. Schultz "I-see-nothing!" impressions.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   15:58:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: war (#51) (Edited)

You forget WHY the dems took the COngress back in '06...

You mean besides cheating and fudging the numbers in urban districts?

Bush and the RINO-dominated GOP Congress legislated like Dems - that pissed off a rather large sector of conservatives. Dems were NOT expected to do anything constructive other than the usual - implementing one socialist/fascist piece of legislation after another.

.... and why Boy Blunder almost LOST the WH in '04 to the weakest candidate the dems could have run.

Bush won over the Fraud Kerry because fed-up conservatives voted for the lesser-of-evils. Can you list a single accomplish of 0bama (I mean other than confiscating wealth and shooting hoops as the rest of us watch helplessly as 0bama's wartime economy shatters into a million pieces?)

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   16:05:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Liberator (#52)

Tax cuts help ruin the economy

Does debt and deficts help ruin the economy or not, Libby? Make up your mind...

In 1997 Clinton's HUD secretary, a Andrew Cuomo claimed Fannie Mae had exhibited "racial discrimination" and proposed that 50 percent of Fannie and Freddie loan portfolio be made up of loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers by 2001.

The program that was implemented during the Clinton Adminstration had a very narrow set of criteria:

1) Only fixed rate mortgages would be issued.

2) Each mortgage would have to carry PMI regardless of the down payment.

3) Only people with 5 years steady and provable employment history would qualify.

Most of the bank issued sub prime mortgages that failed in the financial crisis were written under the 2003 expansion of HUD guidlines

In 2003, Boy Blunder's HUD expanded the guidelines to offer floating rate products, liar loans, 0 down mortgages etc etc ect. They also allowed developers to snap up lots in "depressed" areas and got CRA loans to spec build 2 and 3 family homes.

Here's The Bank Issued Part of the Sub Prime Crisis in one document issued in 2002 and implemented from '03 to '05.

See also: http://www.h uduser.org/portal/publications/hisp_homeown3.pdf

Timeline of Financial Crisis

Fall 2005-Spring 2007

 Fall 2005: growth of housing bubble slows

 Summer 2006: housing prices begin to decline

 Winter 2006: default rates on lower-rated subprime

private mortgage-backed securities (PMBS) begin exceeding normally expected rates in a deflating bubble

 Spring 2007: abnormal default rates cause prices of AAArated PMBS to steeply decline

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   16:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Liberator (#55)

You mean besides cheating and fudging the number in urban districts?

Please Libby...I don;t need to be reminded of your tenuous grip of reality in EACH of your responses...every 5th or 6th will do.

you list a single accomplish of 0bama

Last I looked we are no longer bleeding 700K jobs a month.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   16:08:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: no gnu taxes, AKA Stone, war, lucysmom, Skip Intro (#9) (Edited)

Why don't you ask the nigger? He's the one authorizing this at this point.

Later stone. If you want to run the KKK's unofficial website that's your call but at this point staying here with racist kooks is self soiling.

Please delete my account.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-04-06   16:12:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: war (#56)

Does debt and deficts help ruin the economy or not, Libby? Make up your mind...

Ok - Economics 101: You DO know you can't spend more than incoming revenue....right??

You DO know that 0bama is obliterating the economy purposely, right? That he purposely crippled US oil production....right??

The program that was implemented during the Clinton Adminstration had a very narrow set of criteria:

1) Only fixed rate mortgages would be issued.

2) Each mortgage would have to carry PMI regardless of the down payment.

3) Only people with 5 years steady and provable employment history would qualify.

Funny how that criteteria changed under the tutelage of Raines and Gorelick and Dod and Waters and Frank, eh?

You still refuse to admit and implicate the above RATS...WHY??

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   16:13:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Liberator (#59) (Edited)

Funny how that criteteria changed under the tutelage of Raines and Gorelick and Dod and Waters and Frank, eh?

None of them ran HUD.

You don't know how the mortgage market operates, do you?

FN and FM make loans...true or false?

The rest of your post is more of your bizarre CT bullshit that plays well on 4UM.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   16:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: war (#57)

you list a single accomplish of 0bama

Last I looked we are no longer bleeding 700K jobs a month.

No...we were HEMORRHAGING.

Serving Burgers don't replace factory, tech and service jobs, do they?

The ONLY sector of job growth is predictable - in goobermint.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   16:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Liberator (#61)

Serving Burgers don't replace factory, tech and service jobs, do they?

Manufacturing jobs have risen under Obama. Government jobs have gone down under Obama.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   16:16:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: war (#60)

None of them ran HUD....

STILL not going to assuage any blame for the shitty economy and housing trainwreck on the Dems, eh?

The lack of intellectual honesty is what prevents you from being taken seriously.

The rest of your post is more of your bizarre CT bullshit that plays well on 4UM.

Why not say, "UNCLE!!!"?

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   16:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Liberator (#63)

STILL not going to assuage any blame for the shitty economy and housing trainwreck on the Dems, eh?

It wasn't the dems who mandated the 25% LMI, Libby.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   16:22:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: war (#56)

Still peddling your bullshit/

-----

Three Ways The CRA Pushed Countrywide To Lower Lending Standards

When we discuss the role of the Community Reinvestment Act and other fair lending rules in contributing to lax lending standards, people bent on exonerating the CRA often point out that many of the questionable loans were made by non-depository mortgage companies not covered by the CRA.

Barry Ritholtz has been a prominent critic of the theory that the CRA has some culpability for lax lending. He has pointed out that 50% of subprime loans were made by mortgage service companies not subject comprehensive federal supervision. “How was this caused by either CRA or GSEs?” Barry asked.

As much as I respect Barry’s formidable analytical powers, I’m afraid he’s taken too narrow of the view of the matter. His question is far easier to answer than he suspects. Regulations often touch those who are not directly regulated. Indeed, the regulation of one group in a marketplace will almost always wind up affecting other groups.

More concretely, there are three very specific ways in which the CRA nudged Countrywide and other mortgage companies to adopt lax lending standards.

1. The Creation Of Artificial Demand For Low-Income Mortgages. Banks that were regulated by the CRA often found it difficult to meet their obligations under the CRA directly. Long standing lending practices by local loan officers were a big problem. But as banks expanded their deposit bases and other businesses, they often found that they were at risk of regulators discovering they had fallen behind in making CRA loans.

One way of addressing this problem was buying the loans in the secondary market. Mortgage companies like Countrywide began to serve this entirely artificial demand for CRA loans. Countrywide marketed its loans directly to banks as a way for them to meet CRA obligations. "The result of these efforts is an enormous pipeline of mortgages to low- and moderate-income buyers. With this pipeline, Countrywide Securities Corporation (CSC) can potentially help you meet your Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) goals by offering both whole loan and mortgage-backed securities that are eligible for CRA credit,” a Countrywide advertisement on its website read.

2. The Threat Of Regulation Is Often As Good As Regulation. It is highly misleading to claim that just because mortgage companies were not technically under the CRA that they were not required by regulators to meet similar tests. In fact, regulators threatened that if the mortgage companies didn’t step up to the plate by relaxing lending standards they would be brought under the CRA umbrella and required to do so.

Here’s how City Journal explains the dynamic:

To meet their goals, the two mortgage giants enlisted large lenders—including nonbanks, which weren’t covered by the CRA—into the effort. Freddie Mac began an “alternative qualifying” program with the Sears Mortgage Corporation that let a borrower qualify for a loan with a monthly payment as high as 50 percent of his income, at a time when most private mortgage companies wouldn’t exceed 33 percent. The program also allowed borrowers with bad credit to get mortgages if they took credit-counseling classes administered by Acorn and other nonprofits. Subsequent research would show that such classes have little impact on default rates.

Pressuring nonbank lenders to make more loans to poor minorities didn’t stop with Sears. If it didn’t happen, Clinton officials warned, they’d seek to extend CRA regulations to all mortgage makers. In Congress, Representative Maxine Waters called financial firms not covered by the CRA “among the most egregious redliners.” To rebuff the criticism, the Mortgage Bankers Association (MBA) shocked the financial world by signing a 1994 agreement with the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), pledging to increase lending to minorities and join in new efforts to rewrite lending standards. The first MBA member to sign up: Countrywide Financial, the mortgage firm that would be at the core of the subprime meltdown.

3. The CRA Distorted the Mortgage Market. With banks offering mortgages with high loan to value, delayed payment schedules and other enticing features, the mortgage companies would have quickly found themselves unable to compete if they didn’t offer similar loans. The requirement to offer risky loans from banks created a situation where other lenders found they had to offer similar products if they wanted to expand their business.

Of course, Angelo Mozillo didn't need very much prompting on this score. He believed exactly what the CRA regulators believed: that these lax lending practices were the wave of the future, democratizing the glories of home ownership.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/three-ways-the-cra-pushed-countrywide-to-lower-lending-standards-2009-6#ixzz1ImCNUB66

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-04-06   16:24:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Liberator (#63)

Why not say, "UNCLE!!!"?

You claim that Obama is deliberately crashing the economy and the oil market but I',m the one who should cry UNCLE?!?

ROFLMAO...

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   16:25:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: war (#41)

But cutting alone isn't going to do it and some tax rates are too low.

You could make every EMPLOYED persons tax rate in this country 100% and still not touch "THIS YEARS DEFICIT" of $1.66 TRILLION, much less pay on the debt......

So the only other answer is to increase revenue through lower unemployment, growing business and increased trade......

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-06   16:26:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: no gnu taxes (#65) (Edited)

Nigger...we've had this out before. There was $300Bln of CRA mortgages outstanding when the crisis hit. 94% of them remained performing throughout the crisis.

CRA loan products were no different from any other available mortgage product. There was one difference...the address to which the loans were made to purchase.

Dickhead...

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   16:28:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: CZ82 (#67)

So the only other answer is to increase revenue through lower unemployment, growing business and increased trade...

I'd posit that is part of the answer and not a singular other option...

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   16:30:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: war (#68)

Since you can't seem to read, you might actually consider that none of this was EVER a problem before the CRA and the unleashing of the GREs.

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-04-06   16:33:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: no gnu taxes (#70)

Since you can't seem to read, you might actually consider that none of this was EVER a problem before the CRA and the unleashing of the GREs.

Wha...chuckle...huh?

GSE's do one thing, nigger...BUY mortgages and bundle them and sell them to Wall Street.

They don't underwrite the mortgages and they can only buy mortgages that HUD approved for them to buy.

Dickhead...

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   16:36:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: war (#68)

Clinton sued a lender named Accubank in 1998 under the CRA , forcing it a to write $2.1 billion in subprimes. Clinton then sued Columbia Mortgage in 1999, forcing it to write $6 billion in subprimes. You can see Clinton's Secretary of HUD (Andrew Cuomo) crowing about these "victories" on YouTube if you search just a bit.

What Clinton did was to get a ball rolling that nobody could stop. Banks had gotten the message. If you don’t relax your standards and start writing high-risk loans, the government will sue you. If you do write high-risk loans, the government will reward you with a guarantee. What followed was the housing disaster as we know it.

The disaster quickly became much larger than the subprime problem. Once the banks had gotten into the psychology of realizing that bad behavior was being rewarded, there was nothing stopping them from expanding this concept. Why make high-risk loans only to low-income people? Why not make money on the transaction fees associated with selling high-risk mortgages to everyone, then sell those mortgages upstream, ultimately to someone guaranteed directly by Fannie & Freddie or to Fanny & Freddie themselves?

It is ridiculous to insist that the subprime mortgages themselves must do all the damage if we are to credit the CRA for the problem. If a guy blows up a dam (as Clinton did by distorting the market) then we blame him, not the water that he releases, for doing all the further and larger damage downstream.

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-04-06   16:38:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: war (#62)

Government jobs have gone down under Obama.

2008- 2,768,886

2009- 2,823,777

Figures courtesy of US Census Bureau....... figures for 2010 have not been compiled yet and won't be out until Aug 2011......

"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-06   16:41:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: war, no gnu taxes (#68)

Knock it off with the N talk.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-06   17:22:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: war (#62)

Thank you for reminding me why responding to you is always an utter waste of time. You're the Yukon of Leftist ideologues.

It's only a theory, but have you considered loosening your lycra-spandex man-bra? You could be constricting crucial oxygen and blood trying to flow north.

P.S. - You're welcome.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   19:30:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: CZ82, war (#73)

2008- 2,768,886

2009- 2,823,777

Figures courtesy of US Census Bureau....... figures for 2010 have not been compiled yet and won't be out until Aug 2011......

HUH?? These numbers must be a mistake; The "real" numbers are anything 0bama and war tell us...

*snicker*

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   19:34:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: war (#66)

You claim that Obama is deliberately crashing the economy and the oil market but I',m the one who should cry UNCLE?!?

ROFLMAO...

It's hardly a claim, Magoo.

Gee - I'll bet your stats reveal the price of gasoline has been slashed by...what...50% under 0bama in 2 years instead of doubling? HELLO.

And no, of course limousine liberals never say, "UNCLE," they say, "oooooh-ooooh, baby....faster....FASTER!!!!!"

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   19:39:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: no gnu taxes, war (#65)

Good post...Will war read it? Naaah.

Simple evidence will not ever deter the man from conceding the truth on the matter...OR levy a simple, honest criticism of a fellow Leftist ideologue.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   19:43:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: war (#64)

It wasn't the dems who mandated the 25% LMI, Libby.

Will you concede the point that Dem circus performers Frank, Dodd, Waters, Raines, and Gorelick profitted from and colluded to create the mortgage bubble?

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   19:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: CZ82 (#73)

Wha...huh?

The Bureau of Labor Statistics compiles employment data:

Federal Government Employment March 2010: 2,926M
Federal Government Employment March 2011: 2,852M

Manufacturing Employment 2010: 11,471M
Manufacturing Employment 2011: 11,667M

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   19:47:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: no gnu taxes (#70)

Since you can't seem to read, you might actually consider that none of this was EVER a problem before the CRA and the unleashing of the GREs.

Any fair-minded observer knows where the blame lies. Only political ideologues refuse to consider ANY wrong-doing of their party. Liberalism is a disease ~ Michael Weiner.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   19:49:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: war (#80)

Doctored.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   19:50:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: war (#80) (Edited)

Shifting your fight to ambiguous, doctored stats still don't address 0bama's private sector economy which is choking and sputtering like a corpse's final few breaths.

Gasoline prices have DOUBLED under 0bama's "leadership." Prices are skyrocketing. We're still bleeding jobs - REAL jobs left and right.

NAME ONE "ACCOMPLISHMENT" of 0bama's. Just one, war.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   19:54:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: no gnu taxes (#72)

Clinton sued a lender named Accubank in 1998 under the CRA , forcing it a to write $2.1 billion in subprimes.

First off, a CRA loan is not synonymous with sub-prime. It's a loan made within a certain community that has been designated as CRA eligible. Are sub-prime loans made within the auspice of CRA? Yes. But not every loan made under CRA is sub-prime.

Secondly, Accubank - and several other lenders in Texas - were put through what is called "Matched pair testing" in which people of color and white people with the same work and credit history and of similar income levels apply for a mortgage. Accubank routinely granted the white applicants mortgages but not the minorities.

CRA did not cause the housing bubble. One look in the communities that have suffered the most foreclosures and walk-aways underscores this. As do several independent studies including the several that I have already posted to you.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   19:56:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Liberator (#82)

Chuckles...I linked directly to them, moron.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   19:57:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: A K A Stone, Skip Intro, Biff Tannen, Fred Mertz (#74)

Knock it off with the N talk.

Why?

You claim to not mind the use of the word. I can link you to the thread if you want.

Or is this yet another one of these instances where because I decide to take advantage of your policy - in this case an explicit one - you decide to change it?

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   20:00:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: war (#84)

First off, a CRA loan is not synonymous with sub-prime.

More leftist hogwash. Any boofer with good credit and verifiable income would have had no problem getting a loan.

in which people of color and white people with the same work and credit history and of similar income levels

I'm highly skeptical of this undocumented "fact."

CRA did not cause the housing bubble.

Yes it did, along with associated PC policies.

One look in the communities that have suffered the most foreclosures and walk-aways underscores this.

When you're granted a loan in a community where the only qualifications are to have malt liquor breath and 46 illegitimate children, what do you expect?

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-04-06   20:07:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: no gnu taxes, war, Capitalist Eric (#87) (Edited)

Yes it did, along with associated PC policies.

The New York Times reports that the Republican members of the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission are going to pre-empt the report (due in mid-January) and issue their own 13 page screed later today focusing blame for the crisis on…Fannie and Freddie, and no doubt the CRA too.

Let’s look at a few inconvenient facts. We had housing bubbles in the UK, Australia, Ireland, Spain, Iceland, Latvia, Canada, and a lot of Eastern Europe. Can we blame the CRA and Fannie and Freddie for that?

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2...ift-blame-from-banks.html

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-06   20:20:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: no gnu taxes (#87)

Any boofer with good credit and verifiable income would have had no problem getting a loan.

According to Boofer he had no problem. Black and hispanics couldn't though.

Yes it did

yes it did...yes it did...grow the fuck up, dickhead.

There are reams of studies that prove you a fool...

http://traigerlaw.com/publications/the_community_reinvestment_act_of_1977-not_guilty_1-26-09.pdf

http://www.minneapolisfed.org/publications_papers/pub_display.cfm?id=4136

http://fcic.law.stanford.edu/report/conclusions*

*You'll note that not even the GOP members blamed the CRA.

When you're granted a loan in a community where the only qualifications are to have malt liquor breath and 46 illegitimate children, what do you expect?

More Padlock bullshit. The areas with the highest foreclosures are areas of wealth.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   20:22:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: lucysmom (#88) (Edited)

The irony is that they did NOT blame the CRA.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   20:22:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: lucysmom (#88)

We had housing bubbles in the UK, Australia, Ireland, Spain, Iceland, Latvia, Canada, and a lot of Eastern Europe. Can we blame the CRA and Fannie and Freddie for that?

To an extent, yes.

Or perhaps, we should blame Bush's HUD for all that as (deleted you f**king moron) suggests.

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-04-06   20:24:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Liberator (#83)

You're not getting anything from me until you acknowledge your error of accusing me of providing "doctored" stats.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   20:25:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: no gnu taxes (#91)

To an extent, yes.

Bulls**t, (deleted you f**king moron)

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   20:26:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: war (#89)

The Commission concluded that "the crisis was avoidable and was caused by: Widespread failures in financial regulation, including the Federal Reserve’s failure to stem the tide of toxic mortgages; Dramatic breakdowns in corporate governance including too many financial firms acting recklessly and taking on too much risk; An explosive mix of excessive borrowing and risk by households and Wall Street that put the financial system on a collision course with crisis; Key policy makers ill prepared for the crisis, lacking a full understanding of the financial system they oversaw; and systemic breaches in accountability and ethics at all levels

And you can't recognize that this is nothing but bureaucratic (ahem ... cough...cough...buhshit...buhshit)

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-04-06   20:31:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: war, Liberator (#92)

You're not getting anything from me until you acknowledge your error of accusing me of providing "doctored" stats.

He was probably saying the BLS doctored the stats, but that's just my input

Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-04-06   20:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: no gnu taxes (#94)

Wow...what an excellent rebuttal, (deleted).

Too bad you can't leap up and scream at me for calling your boss a Nazi.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   20:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: no gnu taxes (#95)

Nah...Libby has left the building. He will never ever admit he's wrong.

He's like you, (deleted you f**king moron)

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-06   20:34:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: war (#90)

The irony is that they did NOT blame the CRA.

Not in the report but obviously the memo has been circulated.

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-06   20:41:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: no gnu taxes, war (#95)

He was probably saying the BLS doctored the stats, but that's just my input

Yup.

It all just goes to prove what a damn waste of time liberals and Leftists are. It doesn't matter whether it's a forum or real life, they are ALL delusional twits creating their own special reality.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   21:02:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: no gnu taxes (#91)

To an extent, yes.

Its a bore reading the same discredited, data-free memes: The CRA caused the crisis, Fannie Mae caused the crisis, the FHA caused the crisis. Its become embarrassing to read.

Their latest release combines all three memes in one giant clusterfuck of imbecility:

snip

Instead of email press releases, they should have a tiny car pull up, with streams of brightly dressed clowns pouring out of the car shooting confetti versions of this.

Simply embarrassing junk . . .

www.ritholtz.com/blog/201...ure+%28The+Big+Picture%29

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-06   21:02:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: war (#86)

It is my call not yours. You are just using it over and over to try and make some imaginary point.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-06   21:08:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: no gnu taxes (#91)

Quit using his damned name. Everytime you do that I get a pm from him. I gave him a hard time about the same issue. So it is only fair.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-06   21:09:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: war (#92)

You're not getting anything from me until you acknowledge your error of accusing me of providing "doctored" stats.

"You're a victim of coicumstance." ~ Curly Howard

"Nuthin' from nuthin' leaves nuthin'." ~ Billy Preston

"What a maroon." ~ Bugs Bunny

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   21:10:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: war (#96)

I was just ready to delete his comment with your name. But seems like you already got him back.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-06   21:10:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: A K A Stone (#104)

It just fucking kills you to enforce your own rules when it benefits me doesn't it?

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-07   7:14:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: A K A Stone (#101) (Edited)

Then make the call for once.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-07   7:17:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Liberator (#99) (Edited)

ROFLMAO...yet you will cite those same stats when your hero the Boy Blunder was in office to tell us how GREAT and WONDERFUL everything was by going full Soma Dream to the fact that it was under HIS watch and under HIS policies all of those loans were made.

It is absolutely hilarious that you blame Clinton for a financial meltdown that occurred 6 years after he left office, in part on mortages that were primarily issued 3-4 years after he left office on a policy that he had no part in forumulating.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-07   7:21:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: lucysmom (#98)

Not in the report but obviously the memo has been circulated.

I'm not surprised. $300bln of CRA mortgages outstanding...94% performing...but it's "their" fault.

Apparently not.
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war  posted on  2011-04-07   7:28:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: war (#105)

I went ahead and deleted it anyways.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-07   8:49:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: A K A Stone (#109)

Thanks...now if you could simply swallow any bile and stop acting as if it was me who fired the first shot...

Apparently not.
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By Boofer

war  posted on  2011-04-07   8:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: war (#108)

I'm not surprised. $300bln of CRA mortgages outstanding...94% performing...but it's "their" fault.

Ron Paul and the Austrian school people don't like the CRA.

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-07   9:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: lucysmom (#111)

What Austrian economists won't tell you is that the end goal of that School of Thought is NO government.

Apparently not.
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By Boofer

war  posted on  2011-04-07   9:27:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Godwinson (#58)

Later stone. If you want to run the KKK's unofficial website that's your call but at this point staying here with racist kooks is self soiling.

Please delete my account.

Just noticed this godwinson.

This isn't KKK. If I deleted everytime someone said nigger you wouldn't know who to condemn.

Enjoyed conversing with you. Didn't agree with you on much but you were a fair adversary. Take care.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-18   0:09:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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