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Title: Why we can't tax ourselves out of the deficit problem
Source: American Thinker
URL Source: http://.
Published: Apr 5, 2011
Author: Steve McCann
Post Date: 2011-04-05 17:56:18 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 96288
Comments: 113

Why we can't tax ourselves out of the deficit problem

Steve McCann

Yesterday I was in the belly of the beast: Washington D.C. At a lunch meeting, which included a number of liberal Democrats, the inevitable subject of the runaway spending and debt came up, particularly in light of Paul Ryan issuing a budget which would go a long way toward curing our financial ills. While I and others extolled the positive economic effects of dramatically reducing government spending, those on the other side refused to come off the mantra of all we have to do is raise taxes on the rich and that will solve nearly all our problems.

Admittedly, all of those who were in that camp were, you guessed it, lifelong government bureaucrats. I forcefully made the case that raising taxes on the rich would not generate anywhere near the revenue they thought, or even make a dent in the deficit, and would in fact end up reducing revenue and killing job creation. The argument fell on deaf ears. So, having done the research on the issue in the past based on numbers from their fellow bureaucrats in the IRS, I told them I would forward the details.

I am doing so through the American Thinker in a devious attempt to not only get their attention but to ruin their day by forcing them to see and hopefully read the articles and blog entries.

The data is contained on the following IRS site: Section: Tax Generated; subsection; Tax rate and size of Adjusted Gross Income (2008): Table 3.5 (The table is here)

The tax year of 2008 was the last to date that the IRS has done this kind of analysis. In 2008 the highest marginal tax rate of 35% applied to all AGI above $357,700.00. In that year the total amount of AGI subject to the highest rate was $622.8 Billion. The government collected in taxes $218.0 Billion (35%).

In 2011 the annual budget deficit will be nearly $1,665.0 Billion and in 2012: $1,100.0 Billion. If the Liberal Democrats in league with the Socialists, the Unions and the Communists, succeed in raising the highest marginal rate, how much more would Washington D.C. receive, assuming no change in behavior and a general eagerness to pay more?

If the highest rate of 35% were raised by a factor of 20% to 42%, then the additional tax revenue would be $43.5 Billion, not much of a dent in $1,665.0 Billion. So, let's raise the rate by a factor of 50% to 52.5%; the additional revenue would be $108.9 Billion. Still nowhere near enough, so let's just tax it at a rate of 100%, bringing in an additional $404.8 Billion. Unfortunately the country is still $1,260.0 Billion in the hole for the year.

Obviously by confiscating at 100% of all the income of the so-called rich above a predetermined level, there would never again be an incentive to earn above the highest tax rate threshold. So where will the Left have to turn next: where the money is, the middle class.

The Left knows the gullible among us (other Lefties) easily fall for centuries-old class warfare rhetoric that demonizes the wealthy, yet they persist in doing the unconscionable, as it keeps them in power despite the fact that it enflames passions and in some cases, violence.

What the Democrats are doing is entirely based on a lie. The United States cannot tax its way out of the present financial crisis, and from a cursory examination of Paul Ryan's proposal, his is the best plan yet presented and needs to be defended and promoted.

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#2. To: CZ82 (#0)

Taxes need to be raised...period.

war  posted on  2011-04-05   18:24:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: war (#2)

Taxes need to be raised...period.

It's official, you have now left the building.

We The People  posted on  2011-04-05   20:41:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: We The People (#6)

It's official, you have now left the building.

I'm curious. How do you propose we pay for three simultaneous wars?

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-04-05   20:44:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Skip Intro (#7)

I'm curious. How do you propose we pay for three simultaneous wars?

Well, if it were my decision, I would end them, bring the troops home.

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   13:42:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: We The People (#27)

Well, if it were my decision, I would end them, bring the troops home.

Well, it's not your decision, so someone has to pay for them. How?

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-04-06   13:44:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Skip Intro (#28)

Well, it's not your decision, so someone has to pay for them. How?

First, we MUST end them. If you're bleeding, cleaning the wound will not save your life. You have to stop the bleeding.

Then, just as above, take the shackles off of our economy and allow businesses to produce. Stop printing new money, cut taxes and drastically CUT spending.

Surely you can agree that our government should live within its means, like you and I have to do?

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   13:56:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: We The People (#30)

Then, just as above, take the shackles off of our economy and allow businesses to produce. Stop printing new money, cut taxes and drastically CUT spending.

What shackles? Schackles like clean air and water regs? Child labor laws and the minimum wage?

ANY money that is borrowed is "printing" money. IN point of fact, one reason for the creation of the Federal Reserve was so that "common folk" COULD borrow money.

The middle class in this nation exists partly because of some of those "shackles".

I'm not lumping you in this but I am always so struck ny the iropny of the GOP...they romaticize the American Family and "middle class values" while doing everything in their power, once attained, to destroy them.

Progressives created the middle class and they fought conservatives every step of the way while doing so.

war  posted on  2011-04-06   14:06:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: war (#33)

I'm not lumping you in this but I am always so struck ny the iropny of the GOP...they romaticize the American Family and "middle class values" while doing everything in their power, once attained, to destroy them.

That's why I'm not GOP. But it's not just the GOP. I'm always struck by the irony of you who promote ONE party over the other, when BOTH parties are to blame. I KNOW you're more intelligent than that.

The Democrat party is absolutely as much to blame as the Pubs. Congress is made up of both, and it's taken both to get us here.

Crazy deficit spending, free trade agreements, endless war, the list goes on and on...all fault lies squarely on the shoulders of 536 people, made up of D's and R's.

Hang them all. THEN we'll figure out how to recover.

We The People  posted on  2011-04-06   14:17:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: We The People, war (#38)

I'm always struck by the irony of you who promote ONE party over the other, when BOTH parties are to blame. I KNOW you're more intelligent than that.

Your observation is what strikes most of us who "know" war - he is indeed one of the dumbest "intelligent" posters out there. He's got blind spot the size of Michele 0bama's azz.

Like all good little leftists and limousine liberals, he refuses to blame 0bama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats for anything. It's they who are creating most of the damage to the country with their Commie/Statist agenda, lunacy, and fedgov-on-crack fascism.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   15:11:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Liberator (#45)

Like all good little leftists and limousine liberals, he refuses to blame 0bama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats for anything.

What do you want me to blame them for, Libby?

war  posted on  2011-04-06   15:12:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: war (#46)

What do you want me to blame them for, Libby?

Nevermind. 0bama and the Dems have created no actual cluster*** out there. No sh*tstorm...

Go back to zipping up your lycra onesey for the Big Race - sorry to have disturb you.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   15:33:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Liberator (#50)

Typical of you Libby.

BoyBlunder did no wrong.

You forget WHY the dems took the COngress back in '06 and why Boy Blunder almost LOST the WH in '04 to the weakest candidate the dems could have run.

war  posted on  2011-04-06   15:37:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: war (#51) (Edited)

You forget WHY the dems took the COngress back in '06...

You mean besides cheating and fudging the numbers in urban districts?

Bush and the RINO-dominated GOP Congress legislated like Dems - that pissed off a rather large sector of conservatives. Dems were NOT expected to do anything constructive other than the usual - implementing one socialist/fascist piece of legislation after another.

.... and why Boy Blunder almost LOST the WH in '04 to the weakest candidate the dems could have run.

Bush won over the Fraud Kerry because fed-up conservatives voted for the lesser-of-evils. Can you list a single accomplish of 0bama (I mean other than confiscating wealth and shooting hoops as the rest of us watch helplessly as 0bama's wartime economy shatters into a million pieces?)

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   16:05:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Liberator (#55)

You mean besides cheating and fudging the number in urban districts?

Please Libby...I don;t need to be reminded of your tenuous grip of reality in EACH of your responses...every 5th or 6th will do.

you list a single accomplish of 0bama

Last I looked we are no longer bleeding 700K jobs a month.

war  posted on  2011-04-06   16:08:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: war (#57)

you list a single accomplish of 0bama

Last I looked we are no longer bleeding 700K jobs a month.

No...we were HEMORRHAGING.

Serving Burgers don't replace factory, tech and service jobs, do they?

The ONLY sector of job growth is predictable - in goobermint.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   16:15:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Liberator (#61)

Serving Burgers don't replace factory, tech and service jobs, do they?

Manufacturing jobs have risen under Obama. Government jobs have gone down under Obama.

war  posted on  2011-04-06   16:16:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: war (#62)

Government jobs have gone down under Obama.

2008- 2,768,886

2009- 2,823,777

Figures courtesy of US Census Bureau....... figures for 2010 have not been compiled yet and won't be out until Aug 2011......

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-06   16:41:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: CZ82 (#73)

Wha...huh?

The Bureau of Labor Statistics compiles employment data:

Federal Government Employment March 2010: 2,926M
Federal Government Employment March 2011: 2,852M

Manufacturing Employment 2010: 11,471M
Manufacturing Employment 2011: 11,667M

war  posted on  2011-04-06   19:47:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: war (#80) (Edited)

Shifting your fight to ambiguous, doctored stats still don't address 0bama's private sector economy which is choking and sputtering like a corpse's final few breaths.

Gasoline prices have DOUBLED under 0bama's "leadership." Prices are skyrocketing. We're still bleeding jobs - REAL jobs left and right.

NAME ONE "ACCOMPLISHMENT" of 0bama's. Just one, war.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-06   19:54:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Liberator (#83)

You're not getting anything from me until you acknowledge your error of accusing me of providing "doctored" stats.

war  posted on  2011-04-06   20:25:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#95. To: war, Liberator (#92)

You're not getting anything from me until you acknowledge your error of accusing me of providing "doctored" stats.

He was probably saying the BLS doctored the stats, but that's just my input

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-04-06 20:33:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: war (#92)

You're not getting anything from me until you acknowledge your error of accusing me of providing "doctored" stats.

"You're a victim of coicumstance." ~ Curly Howard

"Nuthin' from nuthin' leaves nuthin'." ~ Billy Preston

"What a maroon." ~ Bugs Bunny

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