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Title: Why we can't tax ourselves out of the deficit problem
Source: American Thinker
URL Source: http://.
Published: Apr 5, 2011
Author: Steve McCann
Post Date: 2011-04-05 17:56:18 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 92751
Comments: 113

Why we can't tax ourselves out of the deficit problem

Steve McCann

Yesterday I was in the belly of the beast: Washington D.C. At a lunch meeting, which included a number of liberal Democrats, the inevitable subject of the runaway spending and debt came up, particularly in light of Paul Ryan issuing a budget which would go a long way toward curing our financial ills. While I and others extolled the positive economic effects of dramatically reducing government spending, those on the other side refused to come off the mantra of all we have to do is raise taxes on the rich and that will solve nearly all our problems.

Admittedly, all of those who were in that camp were, you guessed it, lifelong government bureaucrats. I forcefully made the case that raising taxes on the rich would not generate anywhere near the revenue they thought, or even make a dent in the deficit, and would in fact end up reducing revenue and killing job creation. The argument fell on deaf ears. So, having done the research on the issue in the past based on numbers from their fellow bureaucrats in the IRS, I told them I would forward the details.

I am doing so through the American Thinker in a devious attempt to not only get their attention but to ruin their day by forcing them to see and hopefully read the articles and blog entries.

The data is contained on the following IRS site: Section: Tax Generated; subsection; Tax rate and size of Adjusted Gross Income (2008): Table 3.5 (The table is here)

The tax year of 2008 was the last to date that the IRS has done this kind of analysis. In 2008 the highest marginal tax rate of 35% applied to all AGI above $357,700.00. In that year the total amount of AGI subject to the highest rate was $622.8 Billion. The government collected in taxes $218.0 Billion (35%).

In 2011 the annual budget deficit will be nearly $1,665.0 Billion and in 2012: $1,100.0 Billion. If the Liberal Democrats in league with the Socialists, the Unions and the Communists, succeed in raising the highest marginal rate, how much more would Washington D.C. receive, assuming no change in behavior and a general eagerness to pay more?

If the highest rate of 35% were raised by a factor of 20% to 42%, then the additional tax revenue would be $43.5 Billion, not much of a dent in $1,665.0 Billion. So, let's raise the rate by a factor of 50% to 52.5%; the additional revenue would be $108.9 Billion. Still nowhere near enough, so let's just tax it at a rate of 100%, bringing in an additional $404.8 Billion. Unfortunately the country is still $1,260.0 Billion in the hole for the year.

Obviously by confiscating at 100% of all the income of the so-called rich above a predetermined level, there would never again be an incentive to earn above the highest tax rate threshold. So where will the Left have to turn next: where the money is, the middle class.

The Left knows the gullible among us (other Lefties) easily fall for centuries-old class warfare rhetoric that demonizes the wealthy, yet they persist in doing the unconscionable, as it keeps them in power despite the fact that it enflames passions and in some cases, violence.

What the Democrats are doing is entirely based on a lie. The United States cannot tax its way out of the present financial crisis, and from a cursory examination of Paul Ryan's proposal, his is the best plan yet presented and needs to be defended and promoted.

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#2. To: CZ82 (#0)

Taxes need to be raised...period.

war  posted on  2011-04-05   18:24:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: war (#2)

Taxes need to be raised...period.

Yeah they need to tax welfare benefits.

They need to tax people who don't pay any taxes.

They need to cut all unconstitutional social spending.

That wont happen until we have an American President.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-05   20:54:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#13)

They need to tax people who don't pay any taxes.

You want to tax corporations? They're people too, according to the Supreme Court.

Won't they just pass those taxes along to us?

Of course, if they do that, then everybody would be paying taxes, which negates your argument of taxing people who don't pay taxes, since everyone pays the taxes the corporations don't.

And I agree; welfare should be taxed. So should tax cuts. It makes just as much sense.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-04-05   20:59:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Skip Intro (#14)

You want to tax corporations? They're people too, according to the Supreme Court.

Won't they just pass those taxes along to us?

Of course, if they do that, then everybody would be paying taxes, which negates your argument of taxing people who don't pay taxes, since everyone pays the taxes the corporations don't.

And I agree; welfare should be taxed. So should tax cuts. It makes just as much sense.

It would be an interesting idea. To repeal Nafta, Gatt and the UN. Then only tax corporations and have tariffs on foreign goods.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-05   22:18:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)

To repeal Nafta, Gatt and the UN.

Got any names of Republicans who are in favor of that?

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-04-05   22:20:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Skip Intro (#21)

Rand Paul 2012

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-04-05   22:21:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#22)

Rand Paul 2012

If he's the only one he doesn't have a prayer.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-04-05   22:22:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Skip Intro (#23)

Hilarious that these Bots bitch about Obama's alleged lack of experience when all this guy has been doing for most of his life is fitting people for contact and corrective lenses.

war  posted on  2011-04-05   22:25:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: war (#25)

Hilarious that these Bots bitch about Obama's alleged lack of experience when all this guy has been doing for most of his life is fitting people for contact and corrective lenses.

Do you even know the difference between an ophthalmologist and an optometrist?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-04-06   14:04:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: no gnu taxes (#32)

Yes, nigger, I do.

Better one?

Better two?

Clearer one?

Clearer two?

versus

Here...let me clean those for you...

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Of the above, who is more qualified to be POTUS.

The correct answer, not that I'd expect a nigger like you to understand, is "neither".

war  posted on  2011-04-06   14:08:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: war (#34)

Better one?

Better two?

Clearer one?

Clearer two?

versus

Here...let me clean those for you...

You obviously don't.

One is a medical doctor. One is not.

Paul's specialty was performing cataract and glaucoma surgeries; not that I am any big fan of his anyway.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-04-06   14:11:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#37. To: no gnu taxes (#36)

Whatever, (deleted you f**king moron)

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