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Historical Title: Freedoms We had in the 19th Century We do NOT Have Now Thanks to "Progressives" These are the freedoms we had in the 19th Century that we DON'T have now thanks to "PROGRESSIVES". 1. Freedom of travel. As a general rule horses and wagons were not LICENSED and REGISTERED and one did not have to submit to sexually oriented "pat downs" in order to board the stage coach or "iron horse" (passenger train). What roads that existed were paid for by county and state taxation and since everybody paid the taxes everybody had free use of them. 2. Gambling and losing was a personal choice not the law. Yes, legal Faro banks were crooked for the most part and led some of their players to become gambling addicts but one had a choice of weather he was going to play or not. Nowdays Faro and other "casino gambling" is illegal with the exception of a few states, riverboats and Native American reservations. However there Is a Gamble which is little more than an old fashion Faro bank with Founding Fathers and dead presidents on the layout rather than the spade suit of cards and a high card bar. This is known as the Federal Reserve System. The difference is however the FARO RESERVE BANK is a monopoly whose game you are FORCED to play in (legal tender laws, no alternative Social Credit based legal tender currency issued directly by the treasury) and ALWAYS LOSE (through inflation and loss of the value of the "layout elements" (Federal Reserve Notes)) Even the most crooked Faro banks of old had to allow someone to win once and a while in order to keep its game going in competition with all the others. 4. Guns, With the exception of Native Americans and Blacks (guess who were the objects of GENOCIDES then) guns were freely available even in interstate commerce. They were even prominent merchandise in the early Sears and Mintgomert Wards general merchandise mail order cataloges of the last decade of the 19th century. Today you have to have some degree of Federal Firearms License (usually Collector of Curios and Relics if you are a simple homeowner) to by a gun in Interstate commerce unless it is a 19th century cartridge gun made before the last year of that century (1899) or used an 18th or early 19th century ignition system (Flintlock, Wheel Lock, Percussion Cap Muzzle loader). Some states like California, New York, Illinois and the like add other licensing requirements to these. the TWENTY THOUSAND GUN CONTROL LAWS that "progressives" have infected the constitutional right to bear arms with evenaffect TOY GUNS these days. Actually believe it or not toy guns in the 19th century were sinply deactivated REAL guns that could no longer fire a bullet through them that were given to children it that state because they were noi longer working as firearms or were obsolete as firearms. Indeed most Percussion revolvers that were not converted to cartridge guns became deactivated toys in the late 19th century and youth organizations of the late 19th century that were percursors to the Boy Scouts in the 20th century issued deactivated muzzle loaders to their youth units to display the unit's achievments as a unit on. Today toy guns that look "too real" (like airsoft guns and paintball guns that in fact are not really toys at all since they do shoot projectiles with potential injurious effect on an unprotected person) ahave to carry an orange muzzle or muzzle extension under the federal law and the laws of several states. This is supposidly to allow for the identification of fake guns by police officers (like a police officer can recognize an orange tip on a gun barrel from a distance. NOT). The actual purpose of these "orange tip" laws is to further demonise guns in general and facilitate the passage of even more laws against guns like airsoft, paintball and other "toy" guns and eventually REAL guns based on the legislative momentum against the "toys". The truth on this "orange tip" business is that the police have no business fireing back with a real gun, tazer or anything else at anyone but someone firing a real gun or tazer at them. The mere presence of a gun on the hip or in the hand "toy" or OTHERWISE is no reason for considering the person with it to be a criminal deserving of being shot ot tazed. These "mistaken identity" police shooting of kids with toy guns is just another outgrowth of the ARROGANCE in State law enforcement personel caused directly by "Progressive" passed or backed GUN CONTROL LAWS no matter what type of guns they cover, ARROGANCE that has eventually led to GENOCIDE in "gun controlled" nations throughout the 20th century. 5. Invention and innovation, In the 19th century copyright lasted a maximum of 28 years and had bo be renewed in the middle of that term (14 years). Patent lasted a maximum of 14 years and covered hardware inventions only (such as telephones, guns, clocks, vehicles, etc.) This allowed for a vast public domain of ideas, inventions and art that talented people could improve upon and create new copyrightable and patentable ideas, inventions and art when the copyrights and patents expired. Nowdays copyrights are not allowed to expire due to "progressive" control of the culture and the publishing companies that created it and that industry's hold over "progressive Liberal" lawmakers like Dianne Feinstein and "Progressive Neo-CON" lawmakers like Orren Hatch and former senator Chriss Dodd (Who is now the head of the MPPA, the "progressive" movie industry lobby that pushes for perminent copyright.) Patents now cover things like software, "genetically engineered life forms" and business models. (The Founders and even the people of the 19th century were still strong Bible believers and would have seen a "genetically engineered life form" as an ABOMINATION, NOT a patentable invention.) What perminant copyright and patents outside of inanimate hardware essentially mean is that "Progressives" and their overloards the ILLUMINATI own our culture on a perminent basis and that is probably THE MAJOR reason it has declined so badly in the 20th and 21st centuries. 6. Currency Choice, In the 19th century there were several types of money available. The top of the system was gold and silver coins. However if you wanted the value of the coins without the headache of carrying them around (especially for large transactions) you could trade them for paper gold and silver certificates. If you did not care about the particular metal that backed them there were Treasury of Coin notes they coulf be translated into. For those who did not care about backing and wanted to use fiat money there were also two choices in the 19th century. One was the "Lincoln Greenbacks", fiat money issued directly by the treasury on a debt free basis that would come to be called "social credit" in some circles. The other was National Bank Notes which were essentially usurous debt issued locally by banks with a national charter. Today you have a single choice for currency and that is usurous debt issued by the Federal Reserve System (FARO RESERVE BANK). Because of this the nation is now virtually bankrupted to whoever owns the Fed,(International Bankers). Another service "for the workers" you can thank the "progressives" for.
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#9. To: Coral Snake, Skip Intro, lucysmom, Rek, Rudgear (#0)
The "gun" passage - indicating that somehow we had more gun rights in the past shows how the right wing lies or is ignorant about history and probably gets their history from movies than from actually reading primary sources. But even when they watch movies they overlook the part where the lawman forces the cowboy to give up his gun as soon as he enters town or be arrested. Tombstone lawmakers in the 1880s did more to combat gun violence than the Arizona government does today. For all the talk of the "Wild West," the policymakers of 1880 Tombstone—and many other Western towns —were ardent supporters of gun control. In late 1880, as regional violence ratcheted up, Tombstone strengthened its existing ban on concealed weapons to outlaw the carrying of any deadly weapons within the town limits. The Earps (who were Republicans) and Doc Holliday maintained that they were acting as law officers—not citizen vigilantes— when they shot their opponents. That is to say, they were sworn officers whose jobs included enforcement of Tombstone's gun laws.
During a 2A argument on LP, I absolutely KILLED an "I WANT A RoCKET LAUNCHER AND I WANT IT NOW" 2A thread when I pointed out the above fact about Tombstone and other towns in the "Wild West"...
Is that where you get your history from? Fictional movies? Sheriffs regularly violate peoples rights. Now and in the past.
#41. To: A K A Stone (#31)
Uh...no...Stone...the "movies" pretended that the opposite was true. Firearm ownership has a mythical history in the US. That's the same history that you accept as gospel.
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