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Title: Marxism of the Right
Source: The American Conservative
URL Source: http://www.amconmag.com/article/2005/mar/14/00017/
Published: Mar 14, 2005
Author: Robert Locke
Post Date: 2011-04-04 12:28:35 by lucysmom
Keywords: Libertarianism, Radical Right, Economic Disneyland
Views: 7214
Comments: 14

Free spirits, the ambitious, ex-socialists, drug users, and sexual eccentrics often find an attractive political philosophy in libertarianism, the idea that individual freedom should be the sole rule of ethics and government. Libertarianism offers its believers a clear conscience to do things society presently restrains, like make more money, have more sex, or take more drugs. It promises a consistent formula for ethics, a rigorous framework for policy analysis, a foundation in American history, and the application of capitalist efficiencies to the whole of society. But while it contains substantial grains of truth, as a whole it is a seductive mistake.

There are many varieties of libertarianism, from natural-law libertarianism (the least crazy) to anarcho-capitalism (the most), and some varieties avoid some of the criticisms below. But many are still subject to most of them, and some of the more successful varieties—I recently heard a respected pundit insist that classical liberalism is libertarianism—enter a gray area where it is not really clear that they are libertarians at all. But because 95 percent of the libertarianism one encounters at cocktail parties, on editorial pages, and on Capitol Hill is a kind of commonplace “street” libertarianism, I decline to allow libertarians the sophistical trick of using a vulgar libertarianism to agitate for what they want by defending a refined version of their doctrine when challenged philosophically. We’ve seen Marxists pull that before.

This is no surprise, as libertarianism is basically the Marxism of the Right. If Marxism is the delusion that one can run society purely on altruism and collectivism, then libertarianism is the mirror-image delusion that one can run it purely on selfishness and individualism...

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#1. To: A K A Stone, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mcgowanjm (#0)

If Marxism is the delusion that one can run society purely on altruism and collectivism, then libertarianism is the mirror-image delusion that one can run it purely on selfishness and individualism.

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-04   12:32:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: lucysmom (#0)

Good points. Good post.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2011-04-04   13:07:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: lucysmom (#0)

Keywords: Libertarianism, Radical Right, Economic Disneyland

Alternative Keywords: Lucysmom, Communist, LSD

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-04   13:19:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: lucysmom (#0)

Free spirits, the ambitious, ex-socialists, drug users, and sexual eccentrics often find an attractive political philosophy in libertarianism, the idea that individual freedom should be the sole rule of ethics and government. Libertarianism offers its believers a clear conscience to do things society presently restrains, like make more money, have more sex, or take more drugs....

Nice try (and dopey), but using the extreme to discredit ALL of libertarian thought and philosophy is disingenuous and absurd. The notion that libertarian thought requires ONLY "individual freedom" as "the sole rule" is a LIE.

99% of libertarians do understand the necessity of some measure of societal order and restraints.

"Free spirits" recognize one thing: Marxists, Commies, and Statists would like nothing better than to squelch ALL remnants of "free spirits," liberty, and individuality.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-04   13:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: all (#0) (Edited)

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And if libertarians ever do acquire power, we may expect a farrago of bizarre policies. Many support abolition of government-issued money in favor of that minted by private banks.

Can we experience any more "bizarre policies" than we have already from 0bama and Bush and corrupt Dem/GOP collusion?

Many intellectually honest and critically thinking Americans "support abolition" of un-named, un-elected secret international bankers who regulate and control the ebb and flow of American fiat currency for secret reasons.

IMO, the author of this biased, slanted, dishonest propaganda piece is a whoring-shill.

Liberator  posted on  2011-04-04   13:50:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Liberator (#4)

Nice try (and dopey), but using the extreme to discredit ALL of libertarian thought and philosophy is disingenuous and absurd. The notion that libertarian thought requires ONLY "individual freedom" as "the sole rule" is a LIE.

And Marxism? Couldn't the same be said?

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-04   18:18:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: lucysmom (#6)

And Marxism? Couldn't the same be said?

Are you a Marxist?

We The People  posted on  2011-04-04   18:41:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: We The People (#7)

Are you a Marxist?

No. Are you?

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-04   19:15:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: lucysmom (#8)

Are you a Marxist?

No. Are you?

No, I'm not.

Why did you ask that question above...?

Nice try (and dopey), but using the extreme to discredit ALL of libertarian thought and philosophy is disingenuous and absurd. The notion that libertarian thought requires ONLY "individual freedom" as "the sole rule" is a LIE.

And Marxism? Couldn't the same be said?

Are you promoting Marxism? Are you trying to convince others here that socialsim/Marxism isn't so bad?

What exactly was your motive for asking that question?

We The People  posted on  2011-04-04   19:33:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: We The People (#9)

Are you promoting Marxism? Are you trying to convince others here that socialsim/Marxism isn't so bad?

The article makes the case, and I agree, that libertarianism is no more a viable political/economic system than marxism.

It is funny that you seem to think a critical look at libertarianism is promotion of marxism.

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-04   23:58:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: lucysmom (#10)

It is funny that you seem to think a critical look at libertarianism is promotion of marxism.

I've had accusations today, when I brought up share cropping as a common practice in the 19th century US which I would not like to have to go back to, that that meant I automatically supported the taking of private property and the giving it to others.

I guess my assuming some posters here know at least a little bit about US history is assuming too much.

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Rek  posted on  2011-04-05   14:18:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Rek (#11)

I've had accusations today, when I brought up share cropping as a common practice in the 19th century US which I would not like to have to go back to, that that meant I automatically supported the taking of private property and the giving it to others.

As a woman, I'm not so hot on a return to the 19th century when a woman essentially was property.

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-05   18:08:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: lucysmom (#0) (Edited)

The most fundamental problem with libertarianism is very simple: freedom, though a good thing, is simply not the only good thing in life.

Libertarians certainly do not believe that that freedom is the only good thing in life.

Libertarians do ask the fundamental question: who gets to decide on what's good, bad, or indifferent?

There are three possible answers:

A.) A Dictator like Pol Pot? Clearly not a good answer.

B.) The Majority? The framers didn't think so. They gave us the Bill of Rights to protect us from the majority. They knew that lynch mobs are majorities too.

C.) Individuals and the voluntary organizations they belong to (family, church, business, club, etc) get to decide for themselves. This of course is the only answer that is consistent with freedom.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-04-05   18:29:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: jwpegler (#13)

They knew that lynch mobs are majorities

If lynch mobs were the majority there would be a lot more lynchings don't you think?

Individuals and the voluntary organizations they belong to (family, church, business, club, etc) get to decide for themselves. This of course is the only answer that is consistent with freedom.

Honor killings are a family matter. The Manson family was a voluntary organization. Madoff operated his business his way. Jim Jones led his church to mass suicide. The KKK was club of sorts.

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you. Ludwig von Mises in a letter to Ayn Rand

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-05   23:53:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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