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Title: States broke? Maybe they cut taxes too much
Source: McClatchy Newspapers
URL Source: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/03/ ... oke-maybe-they-cut-taxes.html#
Published: Mar 29, 2011
Author: TONY PUGH
Post Date: 2011-04-01 11:12:58 by lucysmom
Keywords: taxes, economy
Views: 56504
Comments: 56

In his new budget proposal, Ohio Republican Gov. John Kasich calls for extending a generous 21 percent cut in state income taxes. The measure was originally part of a sweeping 2005 tax overhaul that abolished the state corporate income tax and phased out a business property tax.

The tax cuts were supposed to stimulate Ohio's economy and create jobs. But that didn't happen once the economy tanked. Instead, the changes ended up costing Ohio more than $2 billion a year in lost tax revenue; money that would go a long way toward closing the state's $8 billion budget gap for fiscal year 2012.

"At least half of our current budget problem is a direct result of the tax changes we made in 2005. A lot of people don't want to hear that, but that's the reality. Much of our pain is self-inflicted," said Zach Schiller, research director at Policy Matters Ohio, a liberal government-research group in Cleveland.

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Before California's Proposition 13 triggered a nationwide tax-cut revolt in the late 1970s, state and local taxes accounted for nearly 13 percent of personal income in 1972, Bartik said. By 2007, it was 11 percent.

State corporate income taxes have fallen as well. Once nearly 10 percent of all state tax revenue in the late '70s, they accounted for only 5.4 percent in 2010.

"It's a dying tax, killed off by thousands of credits, deductions, abatements and incentive packages," according to 2010 congressional testimony by Joseph Henchman, the director of state projects at the Tax Foundation, a conservative tax-research center.

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Business tax reductions may be overrated as an economic stimulus because they're so low on the totem pole of expenses. For most businesses, the cost of labor is probably 15 times the cost of all state and local taxes, said Bartik of the Upjohn Institute.

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#1. To: lucysmom (#0)

So I'm curious as to who or what they are trying to blame for this problem???

Or is this a roundabout way to say Kasich is doing the wrong thing by eliminating collective bargaining for state and local employees in Ohio......

Things that make you go hhhmmmmmm........

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-01   14:46:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: CZ82, lucysmom, Capitalist Eric, war (#1)

So I'm curious as to who or what they are trying to blame for this problem???

How about blaming those people that state that cutting taxes stimulates the economy, and that creates more revenue. That has never been proven to work and in fact under Clinton, taxes were raised and the economy grew to record levels.

So why do you still worship at this trickle down model that does not work?

Godwinson  posted on  2011-04-04   12:13:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Godwinson (#12)

How about blaming those people that state that cutting taxes stimulates the economy, and that creates more revenue. That has never been proven to work and in fact under Clinton, taxes were raised and the economy grew to record levels.

So are you really sure about that?????

Here you may or may not like this but.......

(Quote) "With four years of data on the current economic recovery (extending back to the Bush Administration), it is now possible to tally up the scorecard and compare the Bush/Clinton recovery that started in 1991 with the Reagan recovery that began in 1982.[1] President Clinton has boasted that his policies have spurred economic growth, added jobs, and helped the middle class. However, the data show that the Bush/Clinton recovery is weak compared to the Reagan recovery along several important measures. Both economic growth and job creation in the current recovery lag behind the Reagan recovery by two full years. The middle class is suffering an actual loss in real median family income, while during the Reagan recovery it gained. Moreover, tax revenues increased more rapidly under Reagan's tax cuts than under the Bush/Clinton tax increases.

The most outstanding policy differences between the two recoveries are in the realm of tax policy. Reagan instituted across-the-board reductions in tax rates, while Bush and Clinton both pushed massive tax increases. The most disturbing conclusion is that the 1990 and 1993 tax increases have cost Americans far more than the extra earnings collected by the IRS; they have cost the economy at least two years of growth. Comparing the two recoveries:

Real GDP grew more in five years under Reagan (23 percent cumulative growth) than it is projected to grow in seven years under Bush/Clinton (21 percent cumulative growth).

After four years, 4 million more jobs were created under Reagan than under Bush/Clinton.

Federal revenues, adjusted for inflation, grew much faster under Reagan (33 percent cumulative growth) than projected under Bush/Clinton (20 percent cumulative growth).

Real per capita disposable income grew more in two years under Reagan than in all four years combined thus far in the Bush/Clinton recovery (8.2 percent versus 7.8 percent).

Median family income grew in all of the first three recovery years under Reagan, compared to three consecutive declines under Bush/Clinton.

In other words, during the economic expansion following Reagan's tax cuts, the economy grew faster, experienced stronger revenue growth, created more jobs, and saw more rapid income growth than the current expansion under the high tax policies of Presidents Bush and Clinton". (Unquote)

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-04   14:49:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: CZ82 (#29)

The most outstanding policy differences between the two recoveries are in the realm of tax policy. Reagan instituted across-the-board reductions in tax rates, while Bush and Clinton both pushed massive tax increases. The most disturbing conclusion is that the 1990 and 1993 tax increases have cost Americans far more than the extra earnings collected by the IRS; they have cost the economy at least two years of growth. Comparing the two recoveries:

Reagan's tax cuts were coupled with lots of closed loopholes. A big one was the termination of interest deduction on credit cards, directly leading to home equity loans as a new way to borrow and get a tax break too. With homes being used as the largest used cash cow. Also directly leading to the housing bubble bursting that we now see.

Rek  posted on  2011-04-04   15:06:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Rek (#31)

Reagan also doubled payroll taxes.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-04   18:33:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: All (#43)

www.heritage.org/Research...gue-of-Poverty-in-America

Here is an article on poverty/welfare, it's too long to post so here is the link. Take it for what you think it's worth........

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