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Title: Nation of Takers, Not Makers~more work for govt. than manufacturing, farming, fishing, forestry, mining & utilities combined
Source: WSJ
URL Source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100 ... 4050204576219073867182108.html
Published: Apr 1, 2011
Author: STEPHEN MOORE
Post Date: 2011-04-01 09:06:01 by Happy Quanzaa
Keywords: Obama-doma-ding-dong
Views: 192805
Comments: 226

We've Become a Nation of Takers, Not Makers

More Americans work for the government than in manufacturing, farming, fishing, forestry, mining and utilities combined.

If you want to understand better why so many states—from New York to Wisconsin to California—are teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, consider this depressing statistic: Today in America there are nearly twice as many people working for the government (22.5 million) than in all of manufacturing (11.5 million). This is an almost exact reversal of the situation in 1960, when there were 15 million workers in manufacturing and 8.7 million collecting a paycheck from the government.

It gets worse. More Americans work for the government than work in construction, farming, fishing, forestry, manufacturing, mining and utilities combined. We have moved decisively from a nation of makers to a nation of takers. Nearly half of the $2.2 trillion cost of state and local governments is the $1 trillion-a-year tab for pay and benefits of state and local employees. Is it any wonder that so many states and cities cannot pay their bills?

Every state in America today except for two—Indiana and Wisconsin—has more government workers on the payroll than people manufacturing industrial goods. Consider California, which has the highest budget deficit in the history of the states. The not-so Golden State now has an incredible 2.4 million government employees—twice as many as people at work in manufacturing. New Jersey has just under two-and-a-half as many government employees as manufacturers. Florida's ratio is more than 3 to 1. So is New York's.

Even Michigan, at one time the auto capital of the world, and Pennsylvania, once the steel capital, have more government bureaucrats than people making things. The leaders in government hiring are Wyoming and New Mexico, which have hired more than six government workers for every manufacturing worker.

Now it is certainly true that many states have not typically been home to traditional manufacturing operations. Iowa and Nebraska are farm states, for example. But in those states, there are at least five times more government workers than farmers. West Virginia is the mining capital of the world, yet it has at least three times more government workers than miners. New York is the financial capital of the world—at least for now. That sector employs roughly 670,000 New Yorkers. That's less than half of the state's 1.48 million government employees.

Don't expect a reversal of this trend anytime soon. Surveys of college graduates are finding that more and more of our top minds want to work for the government. Why? Because in recent years only government agencies have been hiring, and because the offer of near lifetime security is highly valued in these times of economic turbulence. When 23-year-olds aren't willing to take career risks, we have a real problem on our hands. Sadly, we could end up with a generation of Americans who want to work at the Department of Motor Vehicles.

The employment trends described here are explained in part by hugely beneficial productivity improvements in such traditional industries as farming, manufacturing, financial services and telecommunications. These produce far more output per worker than in the past. The typical farmer, for example, is today at least three times more productive than in 1950.

Where are the productivity gains in government? Consider a core function of state and local governments: schools. Over the period 1970-2005, school spending per pupil, adjusted for inflation, doubled, while standardized achievement test scores were flat. Over roughly that same time period, public-school employment doubled per student, according to a study by researchers at the University of Washington. That is what economists call negative productivity.

But education is an industry where we measure performance backwards: We gauge school performance not by outputs, but by inputs. If quality falls, we say we didn't pay teachers enough or we need smaller class sizes or newer schools. If education had undergone the same productivity revolution that manufacturing has, we would have half as many educators, smaller school budgets, and higher graduation rates and test scores.

The same is true of almost all other government services. Mass transit spends more and more every year and yet a much smaller share of Americans use trains and buses today than in past decades. One way that private companies spur productivity is by firing underperforming employees and rewarding excellence. In government employment, tenure for teachers and near lifetime employment for other civil servants shields workers from this basic system of reward and punishment. It is a system that breeds mediocrity, which is what we've gotten.

Most reasonable steps to restrain public-sector employment costs are smothered by the unions. Study after study has shown that states and cities could shave 20% to 40% off the cost of many services—fire fighting, public transportation, garbage collection, administrative functions, even prison operations—through competitive contracting to private providers. But unions have blocked many of those efforts. Public employees maintain that they are underpaid relative to equally qualified private-sector workers, yet they are deathly afraid of competitive bidding for government services.

President Obama says we have to retool our economy to "win the future." The only way to do that is to grow the economy that makes things, not the sector that takes things.

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#4. To: Happy Quanzaa (#0)

We have moved decisively from a nation of makers to a nation of takers

This is exactly the problem.

Add to takers people who are leaching off of the government transfer payments of various sorts, and the future looks very bleak.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-04-01   10:52:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: jwpegler, Happy Quanzaa, Lucysmom (#4)

This is the economic result of free trade as advocated by most Republicans and some Democrats (that seems to be the ratio). Especially notice that Republican online forum members and on talk radio and their talking head hosts always attack the wages American workers earn as being too high.

I guess when the oligarchs drive wages down to pennies an hour manufacturing jobs may return - I say may because Americans tend to be uppity and demand things like rights and dignity so even then the jobs may not come back until the American will to stand up as a free man is broken.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-04-01   11:02:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Godwinson (#5) (Edited)

attack the wages American workers earn as being too high.

Stop trying to tie private sector employees together with government bureaucrats.

In a competitive (and global) economy, wages rise or fall based on output (productivity).

Government bureaucrats are not productive. In fact, for the most part they are counter-productive. Most of them should be made available to the market.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-04-01   11:45:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: jwpegler, Rek, Lucysmom (#13) (Edited)

Stop trying to tie private sector employees together with government bureaucrats.

Do you want me to link you to megapages on Freerepublic where fucking so called conservatives griped about the wages of union auto workers (private sector) way before the bail outs of GM?

More evidence Republicans (and I am sure blue dog Democrats) WANT to lower your wages as part of the globalization/free-trade ideology:

Your Fat Paycheck Keeps Your Neighbor Unemployed: Kevin Hassett (Hassett is currently a senior fellow and director of economic policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute. He was John McCain's chief economic adviser in the 2000 presidential primaries and an economic adviser to the campaigns of George W. Bush in the 2004 presidential election and McCain in the presidential election of 2008.)

The biggest problem with the labor market right now is that wages are too high.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-04-01   14:25:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Godwinson (#18)

Do you want me to link you to megapages on Freerepublic where fucking so called conservatives griped about the wages of union auto workers (private sector) way before the bail outs of GM?

Well you can't really blame them because those people were getting paid way in excess of their productivity...... kinda like politicians.......

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-01   15:01:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: CZ82 (#20)

Well you can't really blame them because those people were getting paid way in excess of their productivity...... kinda like politicians.......

Thank you for adding anecdotal evidence that so called conservatives as they exist online root for the devaluing of American labor.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-04-01   15:36:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Godwinson (#21)

Thank you for adding anecdotal evidence that so called conservatives as they exist online root for the devaluing of American labor.

So in essence you think the auto workers are/were getting paid in line with their productivity.....

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-01   15:45:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: CZ82 (#22) (Edited)

So in essence you think the auto workers are/were getting paid in line with their productivity.....

They are at BMW, Mercedes and Toyota plants in south. But not at GM in Michigan or Ohio, which is why those states are economic disaster areas.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-04-01   17:31:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: jwpegler (#39)

They are at BMW, Mercedes and Toyota plants in south. But not at GM in Michigan or Ohio, which is why those states are economic disaster areas.

It looks like German auto workers are paid significantly more than American.

A recent study by the European Union shows that when you factor in the 35-hour workweek, German auto workers earn the equivalent of about $55 an hour, including benefits. That compares with an average of about $41 an hour in America, the study says.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-01   19:43:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: lucysmom (#43)

It looks like German auto workers are paid significantly more than American.

I'll bet they didn't factor in (COL) cost of living in Germany???? It's expensive there, very expensive......

But you have to admit they do make a good product, better than American brand cars....

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-01   19:54:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: CZ82 (#45)

I'll bet they didn't factor in (COL) cost of living in Germany???? It's expensive there, very expensive......

And cost of living isn't a factor in American wages?

You seem to think American workers should produce a German quality car while earning Chinese wages.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-01   20:06:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: lucysmom (#46)

And cost of living isn't a factor in American wages?

You seem to think American workers should produce a German quality car while earning Chinese wages.

It sure is in Liberal $hitholes all up and down both coasts, that have tax rates double what it is where I live ....... but then what do you expect from them??????

Well if the American cars was German quality then I would expect the workers to get paid somewhat more...... but the quality isn't so there you go....

Just to put in perspective what the Germans make.... I make almost the same amount (bennys and all) but live in an area 1/2 as expensive. So they really aren't making that much money if you get right down to it......

Putting a car together on an assembly line doesn't take a lot of brains, most of the larger parts are already assembled somewhere else. For instance the frame or unibody is made in one place, the engine in another and the doors and other major components made somewhere else...... It's kinda like putting a puzzle together that somebody else has numbered for you, the guy who figured out the assembly line order..... Now that guy is the one who deserves his 6 figure salary, he is the one with the brains and special training...... not screw gun boy........

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-01   23:17:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: CZ82, lucysmom, jwpegler (#60)

Putting a car together on an assembly line doesn't take a lot of brains.....if the American cars was German quality then I would expect the workers to get paid somewhat more.

Have you noticed lucy, they don't deny that their so called conservative outlook wants workers to be paid less and in their opinion the American worker is inferior and should be paid less?

Godwinson  posted on  2011-04-02   11:23:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Godwinson (#64)

Have you noticed lucy, they don't deny that their so called conservative outlook wants workers to be paid less and in their opinion the American worker is inferior and should be paid less?

We didn't say inferior, you did..... But if you think the term does actually apply then go ahead and use it.....

It all boils down to being paid for what you know!!!! (not who YOU blow like in the world you live in)..... There, is that simplistic enough for you????

I guess I'll ask you a stupid question then..... who deserves to make more money the engineer who designed the car that has a 4-8 year college degree, or the guy with the screw gun and 15 minutes training???????

Simple question with only one answer....... (I have $20 on this with Stone).

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-02   11:36:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: CZ82 (#65) (Edited)

I guess I'll ask you a stupid question then..... who deserves to make more money the engineer who designed the car that has a 4-8 year college degree, or the guy with the screw gun and 15 minutes training???????

I don't believe anyone here thinks that all people should earn the same amount of money without regard to the job done or preparation required to do that job. The guy with the screw gun may not "deserve" to travel through life first cabin, however he does "deserve" wages sufficient to provide both subsistence and dignity for himself and his family.

"Necessitous men are not free men." Liberty requires opportunity to make a living - a living decent according to the standard of the time, a living which gives man not only enough to live by, but something to live for.

www.austincc.edu/lpatrick...fdr36acceptancespeech.htm

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-02   12:12:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: lucysmom, CZ82 (#67)

I guess I'll ask you a stupid question then..... who deserves to make more money the engineer who designed the car that has a 4-8 year college degree, or the guy with the screw gun and 15 minutes training???????

Again, with that statement CZ82 is showing is disdain for workers who are not of the "owner or executive" class. The worker should be a wage slave who is lucky those above him are allowing him to breathe the same air as they do. In many cases, like Joe the Plumber, these people delude themselves into thinking they are part of the upper class or will be soon enough so they support this unequal system because in their minds they will someday get there themselves and want to benefit from wage slave labor also.

What is lost is the old Henry Ford ideal where he wanted his employees to be able to earn enough to also afford to but his cars.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-04-02   12:32:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Godwinson (#68)

Again, with that statement CZ82 is showing is disdain for workers who are not of the "owner or executive" class.

I'm not an executive or an owner, I'm in the worker class.... if you paid any attention to what I've said in my posts over the last month then you would know that..... but the Liberal mantra doesn't allow learning or listening does it.....

What is lost is the old Henry Ford ideal where he wanted his employees to be able to earn enough to also afford to buy his cars.

They still can......

My point is and I know it's lost on you but......... being paid for what you know encourages people to get an education to better themselves. If they really want wages "Sufficient to provide both sustenance and dignity for himself and his family" then they will do so, if not then that's their business not mine..... or yours for that matter.....

I started out working in a restaurant when I was 16 making $1.90 an hour... after a few months I figured out I didn't want to be a cook/janitor my entire life making minimum wage .... I also realized I needed an education to make that happen, so I went and joined the military and I got one... It got me to where I am today and I'm happy with it..... So instead of being happy being stupid I did something about it.... anybody can do it.... even "Joe the Screw gun guy"....... If more people had the same outlook on life the Democrat party would have ceased to exist a long time ago..... and the world would be a better place..... But the Democrats don't believe in that and don't want you to be smart, they like you stupid so you'll vote for them.......

You learn alot of things when you actually live in the real world versus a dream world.... try it sometime you might like it......

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-02   13:20:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: CZ82, Godwinson (#73)

So instead of being happy being stupid I did something about it.... anybody can do it....

You seem to conflate stupid with uneducated and smart with educated - they are not the same.

The world needs janitors so why shouldn't they be paid well enough to provide sustenance and dignity?

I'm having lunch this afternoon with a friend I've known since high school. His father was a janitor. On one janitor's income his dad supported his mother, brother, and him, bought a modest house, as well as a vacation home. When he retired, he had a pension and health benefits through his union.

Why would you wish to rob a janitor the dignity of knowing he had worked for his living and supported his family. You and your ilk would turn him into a looser who has to beg for his daily bread.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-02   13:56:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: lucysmom (#74)

Why would you wish to rob a janitor the dignity of knowing he had worked for his living and supported his family. You and your ilk would turn him into a looser who has to beg for his daily bread.

I have no doubt he made his money because he put in a honest days work for an honest days pay........ as it should be..... But I'd also bet he wasn't paid $30 an hour to sweep and mop either like "Screw gun Johnny".... if he was then somebody needs their head examined, kinda like the automobile executives.....

Going out and making an honest living I have no problem with... But making a living by making outrageous contract demands of the taxpayers who work harder and make less than them, that's what I have a problem with.....

But your side of the fence doesn't seem to have a problem with that.... do they?????

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-02   16:46:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: CZ82, lucysmom (#76) (Edited)

..... But I'd also bet he wasn't paid $30 an hour to sweep and mop either like "Screw gun Johnny".... if he was then somebody needs their head examined, kinda like the automobile executives.....

What so called conservatives like CZ82 are saying subconsciously is that they want an inequality in society - they want separation of classes - this maybe a hold over from segregationist times when the Dixiecrats migrated into the GOP or it could be just classic class-ism (the old upstairs, downstairs model) - but is clear they feel a threat when groups they see as being subservient ask for more.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-04-03   11:19:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Godwinson (#77)

What so called conservatives like CZ82 are saying subconsciously is that they want an inequality in society - they want separation of classes - this maybe a hold over from segregationist times when the Dixiecrats migrated into the GOP or it could be just classic class-ism (the old upstairs, downstairs model) - but is clear they feel a threat when groups they see as being subservient ask for more.

What conservatives want is the nation that was founded. All men are CREATED equal, given equal opportunity to become what they will.

Not given their equal share by government, via taking away private property from someone else.

What you seem to want is socialism. Am I correct about that?

BTW: Are you the Destro that I keep hearing about?

We The People  posted on  2011-04-03   12:50:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: We The People (#80)

What conservatives want is the nation that was founded. All men are CREATED equal, given equal opportunity to become what they will.

If you think all people are "given equal opportunity to become what they will", you're living in lala land.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-04-03   13:19:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: lucysmom (#85)

If you think all people are "given equal opportunity to become what they will", you're living in lala land

So who isn't?????? And why????

CZ82  posted on  2011-04-03   13:42:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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